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Bradford isn't happy with the trade.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...linkId=23684924

Sam Bradford has made $78M in his career. He is due to make $18M more in 2016. He is also not very good and thinks very highly of himself.

Shut up Sam Bradford.

I see no way we trade up in this draft. If anything, we trade down, and amass more picks. The more picks a team has, the more chances of having players who can actually play, and help them win. That is a major key in analytics, and I don't see that aspect being thrown out in year 1.

I can see us trading down from 8, maybe with the Dolphins, (as has been mentioned both here, and on national sports sites)and I definitely see us trading out of 32, as I think there will be strong competition for that pick. It is a huge value pick, because teams have the entire night to let the 1st round dust settle, evaluate who is left, and fall in love with a player who somehow slipped through the cracks.

Last year, the Titans traded the 33rd pick (1st in the 2nd round last year) to the Giants, moving down 7 spots, for their 2nd (40th overall) plus a 4th, and a 7th. This year's pick is the 32nd overall, not the 33rd ...... so that may make it somewhat more valuable. We'll see. I also am thinking about 8, and I am becoming more and more certain that we will trade down from there as well. I am quite certain that the front office wants the maximum number of draft picks they can amass, so they can increase the odds of hitting on more players.

No way Buckner will be there at 8. I think Buckner goes to either Dallas (although I see them grabbing Bosa), Jax or Baltimore. It would be our luck he goes to the Ravens and we then have to deal with him twice a year. That would leave us with Jack or Hargreaves. I think if this is the case we take Jack. There are as many reports discrediting the knee reports as there are making it into an issue.

All that said, I would LOVE for Buckner to still be available and we go for him, Dude is a beast and has potential to be a Pro Bowler for years to come.

The only possible scenario I see for the potential of Buckner falling to us is if Elliott goes higher. Maybe to Baltimore?

I could see us trading back up to grab Tunsil if he slips to make sure baltimore doesn't get him. He is only one that I would do it for though.

I don't want anything to do with Deshaun Watson. That is one frail looking skinny arse QB. There is no way he holds up to an AFC North QB game beat down. I think by default we need a QB with some meat on his bones so maybe he survives a season every now and then.

There is just no point in drafting a QB made of glass.

Wow Great trade...

Yes there will probably be another trade on draft day. 6 of the top 100 sounds good to me.

Prediction: Eagles take Tunsil with 2nd pick.

#8 pick I would take CB Vernon Hargreaves. We passed on Patrick Peterson, lets not make the same mistake again. And we should of never let Buster Skrine go. Doesnt matter how good of a pass rush you have, if ppl are always open.

Who exactly is a big physical team in the AFC North? I'm not sure if you're aware, but they've switched to smaller and faster guys because they started getting torched in the playoffs for being slow a few years ago.

j/c

I like the trade. I guess we couldn't get Dallas to move up to #2 for a 6th round pick, so we had to settle for Philly's trade. tab, if you don't me using your term, the guy who write the Dallas fleecing Cleveland article is a bozo.

This tells me two things. One, Cleveland was not sold on either Goff or Wentz. While many people think they know who the Rams will take, no one outside that organization really knows. For all those who think the Browns are stupid for trading down and not getting a franchise player ... if the Browns thought one of those guys was a franchise QB then they would not have made the trade. Just because one of us thinks the answer to our ills is Goff or Wentz does not mean the team thinks so.

The other thing is that Philly does see Goff or Wentz as the answer, because they cannot be 100% sure who the Rams are taking. If they really have their hearts set on one of the two, they just took a big risk making this deal now.

Other thoughts - of course Bradford hates the deal. No one gives up that much unless going QB.

Don't want Jack or Zeke. Injury concerns, and character issues.

Cap, can you expound on Zeke's character concerns, please?

He may be referring to the drug concerns and immature comments made with osu?

First of all, happy birthday Ytown.

I just keep thinking back to how many high draft picks we've blown. I mean, not this managment team, but previous FO's.

I'd like to believe that the approach they seem to be taking will yield better results. I mean serious, this trade showed me that they have a plan.

So let's see what they pick. Man, I can't wait for next weekend.

Yeah. I know Cap lives in C'bus and was wondering if he had more information about those allegations. He's not the type to dramatize.

Lol. Bradford was Chips guy, and I don't even think Chip really wanted him either, acquired him to use as trade bait in attempts to acquire Mariota.

I'd want my own guy too, capable of having knees that aren't a millisecond away from collapsing.

Teams Have Hard-Party Drug Concerns with Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott
Updated March 15, 2016
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Eastern Kentucky edge rusher Noah Spence was a standout pass-rusher at Ohio State before positive tests for the party drug ecstasy led to him being kicked out of the program. At the Senior Bowl, teams interviewed Spence about his issues at Ohio State, and while he wouldn't name names, he said that he wasn't the only Buckeye player who was using ecstasy while partying. In speaking with sources at multiple teams, two of the players that teams suspect for that type of partying are defensive end Joey Bosa and running back Ezekiel Elliott.

To be clear, neither player had a positive drug test for ecstasy or molly (MDMA). However, Bosa was suspended for the opening game of the 2015 season. Ohio State didn't clarify the exact offense for the suspension, but Bosa told teams during the NFL Combine interviews that he was suspended because he refused to take a drug test. That counted as a positive and thus he was automatically slapped with the suspension.

Bosa told teams that he wouldn't take the test because he was going to test positive for adderall. He is said to have ADHD or ADD, so teams wouldn't have held that positive test for adderall against him and they feel he should have just gotten a prescription for the medication. Teams believe that Bosa knew he was going to test positive for worse drugs and that is why he refused to take the test. Bosa wouldn't admit to using ecstasy or molly, but he did admit that he likes to attend raves. He claimed that he likes going to raves for the "music," which teams found to be very questionable. Molly and ecstasy are common drugs used at raves.

At Ohio State, Bosa was a roommate with Ezekiel Elliott. Apparently, their shared place was a party destination, and Bosa told teams that he had to move out and get his own place to get away from all the parties that Elliott had going on. Sources say they suspect that Elliott was also using molly and ecstasy while parting. A number of Elliott's teammates in the Combine interviews told teams that Elliott was a partier, and a unique individual. They said they hung out with him some, but he rubbed some the wrong way. Sources from multiple teams said that Elliott didn't interview well at the Combine, while Bosa had mixed feedback. The skepticism of why he goes to raves and the refusal of the drug test bothered some evaluators.

Lastly, teams said they don't expect these concerns to have an impact on the draft stock of either player. They firmly expect Bosa to go in the top 10 and Elliott to be selected in the top 20. Sources don't believe either is a candidate to slide. Teams in the 20s expect Elliott to be long gone, while sources with the Titans have said that Bosa is still in the running for the No. 1 overall pick to Tennessee, but Florida State defensive back Jalen Ramsey is the current leader with the Titans (see below). While teams suspect Bosa and Elliott of using those drugs, they don't have view them as risks like Randy Gregory last year. Teams don't think that Bosa and Elliott are serious candidates to be landing suspensions and testing positive in the NFL. Thus, both should be high draft picks in the 2016 NFL Draft.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php#5xjKVuKgCxbqSp1i.99

This got me thinking. This might be a genius move. Since we did not fall in love with any QBs this year, and next year Deshaun Watson for Clemson should be the best rated qb.

2 first round pick and a the Eagles 2018 2nd round might be enough to trade up to 1. We may have to throw in a 3rd or a 4th but who cares? Hue we will have the guy that he wants for pretty much nothing..

Deshaun Watson > any qb this draft

Bradford needs to relax. If he plays his cards right, this could be like the San Diego situation with Brees and Rivers. Brees was the struggling incumbent when Rivers was the high-priced rookie. Brees got the starting nod and played well enough to keep Rivers on the bench until he hit free agency. (Brees was younger than Bradford is now, but you get my drift)

Keep a clipboard in the rookies hands by playing lights out or give up.

Character concerns with Ezekiel Elliot?!!

How dare you sir.


How dare you.

They are probably not sold on either but, after bringing in RG3 Hue probably doesn't want QB controversy. Taking a QB at #2 immediately says there is immediate competition and this guy will take over. I think the focus is on RG3 right now and developing a younger guy taken later.

Seems sensible to support RG3, try to coach him to 2012 levels or better and keep McCown. Draft a guy like Hogan (I know Versatile Dog likes Lynch but, he will be gone in the 1st) let McCown work closely with Hogan while Griffin runs the show on game day. If RG3 gets hurt McCown is a decent 2nd stringer to come in.

I wont be surprised, however, if either McCown or Davis end up going to a QB strapped team like, Denver. Not sure where that leaves Shaw...at this point we still have absolutely no idea what we have with him.

I agree, I think RG3 can be very good again. I think he was beaten down and demoralized in Washington, and he will have to change his attitude and confidence here, but he can still be a very good player.

I really think the Browns will look at Dak Prescott with their 2nd 3rd round pick, I believe Pick 77, or early 4th round. He is a guy that has all the ability and a ton of experience, but needs refined. With RG3 and it's looking like McCown here, they can afford to sit him a year or two and see where he is.

Outside of the his outburst last year when he didn't feel he was used properly in a game, I don't know of any character concerns.. What did I miss?

+1,

I don't trust the owner and management to make the right choices on lower draft picks. I just see more chances to make mistakes.

Can you be much more of a child? You're an adult, act like one.

It's nothing more than what's in the article someone posted a little below your post. Bosa discussing the parties and the allegations of ecstasy. I've heard the same on campus, but I cannot say that "source" was not doing anything other than repeating what Bosa said.

So, it's nothing concrete. It may not be true, it may be grossly exaggerated. It's just after Gordo and Manzie I do not want to deal with another high (no pun intended) pick w substance issues. Again, no idea if Zeke has substance issues. He very well could be clean from now until the end of time. I do suspect he will be more dedicated to the game than either Gordo or Manzie, or Gilber (not substance issues, just an idiot).

If we grab Zeke, it would not devastate me. I would be leery, waiting for the other shoe to drop. Which may not be fair to the kid.

I am not sure about a RB high in the 1st, but if we did need to grab a RB in this draft then we could do worse than Zeke.

You assume that they traded down simply because they were "scared" to draft a quarterback. Wouldn't it make just as much if not more sense to trade down if you don't think Wentz is a top flight quarterback? If they see RG3 as being better than Wentz, why would you still draft him and not take the chance of bettering the team with a bunch of good draft picks?

Obviously what they do with the picks matters, but don't take a QB just to say you took one. Take a QB you like and believe can be an elite starter. Obviously they didn't think Wentz could be. I think they may have taken Goff at 2, but there is no way to tell.

DePodesta implemented a completely new MLB system of acquiring players and ran with it. I highly doubt he is "scared" of drafting a QB that they had rated high that early. I just don't think they had them rated very high.

Mac, my point is I think everybody knows you have to make good selections with the picks. Who goes in to it intent on making poor selections?

Also, why assume we traded because we didn't know what to do? I assume we traded because we wanted to trade down and pick other players. I assume we are good with RGIII. I assume we feel like this trade down allows us to control the top of next years draft , which by the way has 2 pretty darn good prospects.

It's getting harder and harder for mac to figure out things to complain about.

I think some big-brained kid must have stole his girl in the 5th grade.

Just a little off topic here, I just finished listening to Sashi Brown in a live presser and I gotta say this, (homerism aside for a moment) this is one very smart, articulate young man who IMO deserves a chance to show what he can do.

Frankly, unless you are unrealistically inclined to dislike Harvard Grads, this guy is extremely likeable.

He appears completely trustworthy, honest and direct. Doesn't hide much. Clearly he calls it as he sees it.

I think it's premature to beat on this front office.

JMO, but I think I'm right.

It was probably that creep, Nathan.

If RGIII plays well. . .

If we draft Myles Jack and he is Luke Kuechly. . .

If. . .

And if the one that was available is a bust they will look like geniuses. I'm not all sunshine with this FO, but I am willing to give them a chance, plus I LOVE THIS TRADE! Do not like either of the QB's that are available and apparently they don't either.

Even if the QB the Eagles select (Wentz) truns out to have a probowl caliber career. That doesn't dictate what the Browns do going forward.

The begining of any plan is the most important step. This new front office just got their feet wet and didn't get "fleest". That is a positive sign, though we are all aware the jurry is still out on the completion of the plan.

I would like nothing more than to have a team that can support a fanchise QB.

I say we should take some of these picks and trade them to Atlanta for Alex Mack.

Might be my new sig.

Eww Boy....It's a QB driven league and we don't have one. I hope these guys got this one right and aren't playing it too cute.