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I see Connor Cook as a Andy Dalton type player. Game manager his first few seasons, and IF and that's a big IF the Browns can get talent around him, develop a running game, he could be better. However I don't think Cook has the talent to carry the Browns and their severely lacking of talent team like a Goff, or Wentz may.

My father in law loved Penn State, so I've been watching them a lot more closely so we have something to talk about.....


Unfortunately I think Hackenberg has David Carr Syndrome. He had truly awful coaching, James Franklin's system was a terrible match for his skill set. There were many times I felt like Franklin just didn't know what to do with Christian.

His Freshman year he had a truly great WR in Allen Robinson, who is now very good in the NFL. After that, his team was trash, his O-line and protection schemes were just some of the worst coaching jobs I have ever seen.

I kept hearing about how good Franklin was at Vandy and I . So I went out and looked at his record and all the teams Vandy played in those years. They played and beat absolutely no one. Any team that was halfway competitive in the SEC they lost to. His good record at Vandy was a house of cards. I am not a James Franklin fan, at all.

I like Christian, but I don't know if you can coach out David Carr Syndrome. I don't think I've ever seen a guy take a beating like that and ever come back from it. They are typically jumpy and gun shy the rest of their careers.

Someone is either going to get a complete theft or waste a draft pick. He is a big time boom/bust guy to me.

I've seen every game of Hackneyerg's career and have a few close friends on the PSU team ... dude's a head case and very inconsistent.

His raw abilities are noticeable, but his regression when O'Brien left was staggering

I think he backslid as well. Writing it off to talent around him takes focus off of him, just him. Competes well, but a lot of mechanics are off IMO.

Previously known as Tim Couch Disease. Once a guy has that, it's hard to get his confidence back.

I agree, but man watching his film again there is a lot to like. His offensive team mates were absolute garbage. Here is a breakdown.


Pros
Wide good looking base, footwork fundamentals are excellent given time.
Next to Cardale, probably the best arm in this draft.
Size, 6’4
Accuracy is good




Cons
Gets lazy with his footwork too often.
Not very athletic
There is a clear and definite lack of trust with his skill position players. He would eat way more sacks than he should have. There are even times on 50/50 balls where his receivers allow interceptions that could be argued should be catches.
Doesn’t throw very well on the run.
Operates mostly from the shotgun.
Ball placement needs some work, but it’s not bad.
I did see a couple of balls slip out of his hand a bit.






The bottom line is that his team and especially his offensive line were complete garbage. So many times teams got a free rush on Hackenberg. Whoever 66 is, was awful in multiple games, constantly on the ground when he should be blocking. I know that 26 is a freshman running back Phenom, but he was absolutely garbage in pass pro.

As I stated before in this thread, he definitely has a little bit of David Carr Syndrome from getting hi butt kicked so often. With that said, there is a lot to like here strong arm, has experience in a pro system (as a freshman), size, fundamentals. He really was a poor fit for James Franklins offense and I think he could thrive in a pro-style offense. I will not be surprised at all if someone takes him with a high 2nd round pick.

I can't stand Hackenberg as a qb. I would not take him in the seventh round.

The guy has some skills, but I think he is a loser. A quitter. Not a leader. He takes needless sacks. He gives up. I'll puke if we draft him.

I watch a lot of Big 10 games. I saw a game where Penn State is driving down the field late in the game. He intentionally throws one out of bounds on 3rd down. I'm kinda rooting for Penn State, so I think.........good move, he didn't take a sack or throw a pick. Trouble is, he walks off the field w/his head down. The idiot thought it was 4th down. A throw-away w/the game on the line. The coaching staff is screaming for him to go back on the field. His body language as he returned to the huddles screamed "LOSER." So, what does he do? He chucks another one out of bounds on 4th down and they lose the game.

I want no part of that kind of "leader."

I definitely saw some of that one film. That's kind of what I meant by saying he gets lazy. He definitely didn't play 100% all of the time, but I could see why teams would think they can coach that out of him.

He is just a kid after all, a kid with NFL skills.

I like him. He showed loyalty and grit. He stuck it out after O'Brien left and the whole team went into huge decline. Can't fault Hac. He was coached well in the O'Brien system. Very good fit for Hue IMO. Very coach-able, size with a strong arm. If we end up with Hac I'd be happy with that. I can almost guarantee that if we target him at 32 and he's still there, he'll be snatched up by Denver at 31 and he isn't worth a #8 pick. So we either move down from 8 or up from 32 to take him. I don't want to see the Browns make the same ole mistake of jumping up and down reaching for a project QB tho

I should have put "j/c."

I'm not knocking your opinion. I just don't like Hackenberg...LOL

Again........that doesn't mean I am right. It's just opinion.

The knock on Hack is that he is mentally weak and I just dont see that ever working out.

By who? Link please?

Penn State was putrid. Then they put Hac back in the shotgun, a lot. He's more of a drop back QB. It's a wonder he wasn't seriously injured. No wonder he had issues with Franklin's system.

IMO He moves a bit like Johnny Unitas as he drops back. Great footwork IMO

I just watched Gruden's QB Camp with Hackenberg. Gruden was crushing him for his horrible footwork.

I can't remember which game I was watching but CH comes out and hits his first ~7 throws. Its the most accurate I'd ever seen him.

There is a lot to like about him. Size, Arm, Pro-style system, labored under tough circumstances. But I can't get passed my accuracy concerns.
Of the prospects I've watched he missed more open throws by simply being inaccurate.

I need to watch, more but right now I wouldn't take him before the 5th round.

Haven't seen it yet, but I did DVR it. I think Hackeberg has good footwork, but he gets lazy and it turns sloppy. There is definitely some dejection in his body language.

He basically said that Franklin's coaching staff forced him to change his footwork against his will.

Well that isn't good, but neither is complaining about your coaching staff in a scout's view.

I'm pretty sure a good scout knows he's right.

Yeah, as was said a couple of times. His pouting and the clear and visible dejection in his body language. Including his not so kind reviews of James Franklin (that I happen to agree with) are things that should be vetted in detail during the interview process.

Over the past two years only players from the Penn state offense have been drafted and it looks like ONLY hackenberg will be drafted this year. Those two players were a 2nd round tackle and a 5th round Tight End.

Food for thought.

He could, but he could also turn out to be the worst.

Just say no.

I would take him with our first 4th rounder.

Let him learn behind McCown.

If both QBs go down in front of him, sign someone else to play.. Let him sit, all season.

He is talented. He just needs to be developed.

If he is there in the 3rd round I will be shocked. Most mocks have 1st or 2nd.

PFF saying today they have an undraftable grade on Hack.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...ian-hackenberg/