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I'm excited about the possibility with RGIII as well, but that would in no way stop me from taking another QB. I'd rather find impact players to put around him but would not be sad if we had a high quality developmental player sitting behind him and McCown.

Vernon Adams is more Colt McCoy than Russell Wilson.

I was thinking ability to find throwing lanes, extending plays, and knowing when to slide primarily. The experience is different, but I think the skillset is fairly similar.

As "an unnamed scout" might say, he's a poor man's Russell Wilson.
That sounds a whole lot better than a poor man's JaMarcus Russell. ("An unnamed scout" used that for Cardale recently according to NFLNetwork)

I actually kind of like Adams for us if we're going to take a non-Wentz/Goff guy. Won't cost as much as most of the other projects, but still has some possibility of making it work. If he had Wentz' size, he might be a first rounder.

He could fit a scheme designed/adjusted for RG3 pretty well, I think.

I agree. We might pick up a QB a bit later, but I don't think we'll be picking one up in the first. Our number 8 pick is to pick up what they see as an elite talent. Sashi kept on talking about how good he felt about the 8 pick.

Number 8 gives us one of the top 6 non-QBs. Options like, Buckner, Bosa, Ramsey, Tunsil, Stanley, Treadwell, Zeke, and Jack (depending on his medical issues). That's a pretty good group to work with IMO.


If Paxton Lynch is available at 32, I wouldn't be surprised if we snatched him up. But unless we see real value at the QB position, I think we're just going to improve the team as if the QB is any other position.


I think Jackson has real confidence in what he can do with RG3, and I think McCown will stay on the team this year too. This gives us an opportunity for a later round guy like Prescott, Hogan, Sudfeld, Hackenberg, Jones, and so on. I don't have faith in Austin Davis, nor do I have faith in Conor Shaw. I doubt Hue does either. He needs a better arm than what Shaw delivers

I didn't mean to disparage Adams. I think he's got a lot to work with, I just think anyone thinking he's going to come in nearly as prepared as Wilson will be sorely disappointed. Wilsons college experience is a big part of why he was able to play as a rookie, and part of why he is so good now.

And hell no to Lynch. He floats too many passes and has a tiny freaking head.

If the 49ers don't take Lynch at #7, then look for teams to start calling the Browns to trade up for him.

It is a reach to take him that high, but there are more teams that need a QB then there are 1st round QB's.

There is no chance the Browns are trading upo for Lynch if they didn't sit tight and take Wentz.

He didn't mention that the Browns would move up. He said other teams to call the Browns to trade with us so they could move up and get Lynch. Once the 49ers pick, we can't move up. There is no up.

Not sure where you got that we would trade up for him?

We draft at the pick right after the 49ers and teams will be calling us for it. A team may even try to jump in front of them, but that won't be us.

I think he just misread your post.

lol correct

I believe Hue and Pep like Kevin Hogan and he will be the QB they draft to develop. The only QBs they met with were: Wentz, Goff, Lynch, Cook, Prescott, and Hogan. I think they are targeting him in the 4th and I approve this message - LOL.

For all the lazy racists who think Jones is "borderline intelligence."

http://nflwonderlictestscores.com/how-smart-is-your-teams-qb/

Carson Palmer: 26
Joe Flacco: 27
Cam Newton: 21
Teddy Bridgewater: 20
Derek Carr: 20
Russell Wilson: 28
Jameis Winston: 27
Drew Brees: 28
Peyton Manning: 28

also, as I said before, I don't want a QB with a tiny head.

Ben Roethlisberger: 25
Donovan McNabb: 14
Jay Cutler: 26

I'm not sure how much weight I put on Wonderlic tests.

For example:

Dan Marino scored a 16 and Jamarcus Russell scored a 24.

That being said, I agree and don't want a QB that can't think as well.

I don't think you're being fair. You know they make helmets in all sizes, even if it has to be custom-made.

Hoping we have a front office who sticks to their board. If their evaluation of Lynch was not a 1st round pick one week ago, then I hope its not now. Don't overdraft a player bc you think you have to.

These tiny brain QB's are not ready for Prime-time!

I may have missed it, but I don't recall reading anyone say that Cardale is stupid. Why did you have to bring race to the table? The wonderlic is a joke anyway so the scores are more indicative of how fast you can solve a problem then it does test actual intelligence.

So a guy like Wentz is better equipped to solve problems quickly than Cardale or the others who took the stupid thing. I'm floored by the race thing though. That came from no where and was not needed at all.

I think this is why DePodesta is with the team. Settle on a strategy and don't waver just because there is stress.

I would argue that many of our young QBs that we've had in the recent past have been acquired through emotional decisions. Brady Quinn, hometown kid who dropped. Colt McCoy, Holmgren "pulled rank." Weeden, panic move because they whiffed on the RGIII deal. Manziel, Haslam through his weight around.

(This is my perception of these deals in hindsight.)

People have been saying that Cardale Jones is not smart throughout the entire draft process.

With so many teams desperate for a QB either now or to croom for the future. I can envision the 1st 4 on your list off the board by the time day two rolls around. The last two on your list I think that we are reading from the same hymnal. I wouldn't rule out another such as Jones however. Things have been ptetty quite on that front ... almost too quite.

I haven't seen that at all. Are you talking about the people in the forum or media or someone else. Either way I think it still is ignorant to start spitting out that people are racist even if they don't think he is smart. There are way more QB more stupid than Cardale who have been successful in the NFL and probably far more that are smarter that don't.

My intent on my response was the thing about the poster calling people racist because they perceive Cardale as stupid or something. I hate racism and I have a very little bit of tolerance for those who spread it like a flu virus.

Media.

Okay, I have not heard or read any of that, but that could be because I'm either illiterate or I just don't have all the sports inside info like some here do.

Jones tweeted something as a freshman about how he should not have to go to class. It was foolish, but also taken out of context. People have compared him to Jamarcus Russell, which, while it may not have been a mental indictment, had a racial whiff to it.
His Wonderlic shows he is of above average intelligence. He never beat up girls, smoked dope or drove drunk in college. His teammates like and respect him. He has a massive amount of raw talent. He took his benching last year like a pro.
I like the guy. He would be a project, but he isn't lazy, he's not a druggie and I believe he would work hard.

Quite what? Quite right? Quite remarkable? LOL........just messing w/you. But, it's quiet.

Jones has a ton of natural talent. He processes what he sees on the field slowly and that is a big concern. But, his natural talent would make him worth taking if he was on the board in the 3rd.

Third round sounds about right. And let him learn for two years. You might have something at that point.

j/c re:Cardale

Anyone else see his portion of Gruden's QB camp last night? I don't think Jones is dumb, but I do think he can be a knucklehead. He seems more of the big kid variety than a troublemaker, though.

I do kind of question his ability to pick up an NFL playbook quickly. He seems to learn best by doing, rather than in the classroom. As a backup/developmental guy, I think it might take too long for him to pan out.

One section of the show that concerned me is Gruden was trying to get him to do a more NFL style of cadence (getting away from the clap) and at the line adjustments. In the classroom they went over using "black" as the alert call for an audible multiple times. Cardale kept using "kill" instead. It is a limited sample, but I think he could take awhile to adjust to new terminology.

I think the Browns will make 1 more 1st round trade. They will trade #8 to the Dolphins on draft night so the Phins and select Zeke Elliot. The Browns will get 1st #13 and 2nd #42 in that trade,

At #13 the Browns will then select Paxton Lynch. Get a QB for Hue to develop that has franchise potential and lets face it Goff and Wentz also only have franchise potential. Getting 5 other picks in the process is the prize here.

Jon's QB camp series really could be something good. He spends a whole day with them and all we get is ~22 minutes of fluff. Too bad they waste all the good stuff on the cutting room floor.
The show drives me nuts but I still watch.
I couldn't care less about 78% of the nonsense they show, more interested in the on the board work that they only show for 2-3 minutes.

I think Trevone Boykin, is a closer comp to Russell Wilson then Vernon Adams but still isn't a close comp. Neither here nor there but Trev is better QB then people think and I would bring him in the 7th/UDFA.

I have to agree with you on all points. Gruden seems to be more interested in the feel good side of things rather than actual information that would help you evaluate the QB's.

I think that is the people who put it on TV more than it is Gruden. The QBs usually spend the entire day with Gruden.

Most people don't care to watch the guts of what a QB is actually doing, they care about entertainment value.

I dunno, Boykin's lack of accuracy is part of the reason I like Doctson as much as I do. I think he's more an athlete playing QB, while Adams is a QB who is athletic. I do wish Adams was bigger (height and hands), but as far as making the right decisions I like him a lot better than Boykin. Boykin will bail out of the pocket turning his back on his receivers, while Adams does a better job keeping his eyes down the field while working the pocket/scrambling. Adams accuracy on the run is nice. On a side note, that Eastern Washington field is awful.

Lol, sometimes I feel like we're looking at completely different prospects.

I think Adams misses more throws then Boykin and some of the throws Adams misses are imo simply a matter of lack of arm strength, which is something Russell Wilson does not lack. Specifically in the comp of Adams vs Boykins both will leave the pocket prematurely but it wasn't until Oregon that I really saw Adams go throw progressions. You can see Boykins going through progression for 3 seasons.
If you're trying to watch Boykin by only watch Doctsun cut-ups you're not gonna get a full picture of his skillset and I think Doctsun benefitted from Boykins confidence in his own ability to throw the ball which gave allowed Docstun to have some chances to win on 50/50 balls that may QB don't attempt.