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Man, if Mingo could step up this year it would go along way towards filling a hole in Horton's attacking 3-4.

He could be 250lbs, but he doesn't look it IMO. But if that's true, I guess it's all the better, however, his speed & explosiveness would be something to monitor early in the preseason. I would hate to see a drop in that department, but I guess it's a matter of losing something to gain something else.

It's hard not to want to see him succeed. He says all the right things, seems to work hard, stay clean, you definitely see the flashes on the field-- it's simply been too minimal.

C'mon Mingo!

"Browns outside linebacker Barkevious Mingo isn’t happy about his playing time. Neither is his agent, Jeff Guerriero."

profootballtalk.com

I knew I remembered something about this. But it's not like he was a crybaby or a punk about it.

I don't think that is the case w/Mingo. That's the second time I saw that comment, but I don't see how it applies to him.
Well Vers I respect your opinion, but I think it does. He was drafted to be a 3-4 edge rusher and until this offseason he chose to add the weight required to play the position he was drafted for. I know the last two seasons he was asked to do different things in Pettines system. I think that was because he did not have the bulk required to be the edge rusher in the system. Its not like we didnt draft Orchard, so there was a need for that guy. I like Mingo and hopes he kicks tail but i am skeptical as I said earlier.

I think Both Mingo and Gilbert will get a huge opportunity in 2016. Both bring speed to a defense that lacks speed. I really hope each take advantage of this opportunity and Ray Horton can get thru to both of these talented under achievers and get them to be major contributors.

This was from 2014. I remembered them wanting him to gain weight before.

Browns want Barkevious Mingo to gain weight | ProFootballTalk
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/06/browns-want-barkevious-mingo-to-gain-weight/

The Browns officially introduced the members of Mike Pettine’s first coaching staff on Thursday and defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil said he was excited by the young players that Cleveland has on defense.

One of those players is Barkevious Mingo, the edge rusher who was drafted sixth overall last season. Mingo had five sacks in 15 games in a rotational role during a rookie season that was a bit less productive than hoped for on draft day. Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal reports that O’Neil said he’s a big fan of Mingo’s (so is his wife, who O’Neil revealed baked cupcakes for Bills staffers last year to prod them to draft the LSU product), but that doesn’t mean the new staff doesn’t see room to improve.

Pettine said that the organization will push Mingo, who is listed at 240 pounds, to gain weight before next season. If a bigger Mingo can hold up better at the point of attack, he’d help his chances of being on the field more often next season.

Pettine feels confident that the coaching staff can get Mingo to play like player the Browns wanted with the sixth overall pick and the results from Buffalo last year should make Mingo confident that the coaches know what they’re talking about. Pettine, O’Neil and linebackers coach Chuck Driesbach coached that Bills unit to 57 sacks last season, results they’d surely like to replicate with Mingo blossoming into a major threat to opposing quarterbacks.

That article was on the board earlier. The headline is extremely misleading. Here are Mingo's actual quotes:




Not sure how that is complaining?

Yeah, I read the article. That's why I said he wasn't a crybaby or a punk about it. I could have been his agent complaining. I don't know.

His agent did a bit, but it sure looks like the reporters were trying to stir things up because Mingo only played 4 snaps in that game.

AMEN bro

JC

Anyone else thinking this Mingo talk is just lip service? I've already heard him listed at two separate weights this year, and read that the org has been lying about his weight for the past two years. I was really excited about this, but after reading his offseason regiment equated to working out and eating a lot of peanut butter and transfats. I'm just starting to really be over this bigger Mingo. I really hopes he proves me wrong during the season though.

He's definitely given lip service before, so you may be right.

The only thing is that this does seem a bit different, and it's a contract year for him, so he definitely has incentive.

who cares.. its just weight..

Don't recall this. What lip service has he given before?

Yeah, I don't remember that, either.

I don't think it's a make or break season for Mingo. He's what you want in a nickel linebacker and he'd serve as special teams too. I think he'll be done here if he can't prove he can do more than just dropping, but his career will not be over.

Now if the weight effects the dropping ability while still not being effective during the rush, he may have worked himself outta a career.

All JMO of course.

That's a logical post.

I wasn't clear enough. I meant: here in Cleveland and more importantly, ever becoming the type of player who was drafted in the top 10.

But yeah, you're right......he will still have a place in the league in those areas that you mentioned. Good point.

I seem to remember him saying he's focused on gaining weight multiple times (pizzas with jalapeños seem to come to mind). Those articles were always the preseason, feel good, rah rah, "were actually going to be good this year" type of articles to try to drum up excitement for the year. I call that lip service, but I could see how some might not.

The only thing I remember reading is how eating those things still didn't help him gain weight no matter how hard he tried. Which was true.

That's how I remember it.

Mingo is not a guy to run his mouth.

Forgive for no link, I provided it earlier and it's a sob copying and pasting with my phone, but this is an exact quote Mingo said back early 2014:

"it's been really hard because I still burn it off. I can eat what I want", clearly the metabolism is still raging 100mph. Hence why a ped suspension is right around the corner but if the dude is a beast now, it's one of the situations where who cares if he's suspended for it!

I found it.

Barkevious Mingo trying to gain weight, “psyched” to play for Mike Pettine

For most people, the inability to put on weight despite eating pizzas loaded with fattening toppings would be an enjoyable trait to have.

For Browns linebacker Barkevious Mingo, though, it is a problem. The Browns want Mingo, who was listed at 240 pounds in his rookie season, to be heavier when the 2014 season gets underway and Mingo is doing his best to give them what they want. He told the Browns website that he frequented a pizza parlor in his hometown before reporting back to work with Cleveland and often ordered a pie topped with Canadian bacon, bacon, sausage, Andouille sausage, and jalapeños, but gaining weight remains problematic.

“It’s been really hard because I still burn it off; I can eat what I want,” Mingo said.

If Mingo can get himself beefy enough for the Browns’ liking, he should have a prominent role in new coach Mike Pettine’s defense. Pettine helped the Bills to 57 sacks as their defensive coordinator last season and Mingo, who had five sacks as a rookie, was drafted to get after quarterbacks, which makes it no surprise to learn that he’s “psyched” to play for Pettine this season.

And the Browns will be psyched if some of those pizzas start showing up when Mingo steps onto the scale this offseason.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...r-mike-pettine/

I wouldn't say that Mingo, himself, has given us lip service. I believe the team and his agent, as they control his narrative, have been giving us lip service.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/04/cleveland_browns_barkevious_mi_18.html April 21st - Listed at 251 by his trainer. Said in January he was 229 lbs

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...this-offseason/ March 29th - Ian Rapoport lists him at 260.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster/barkevious-mingo/97956e5d-b67d-4fbd-8ca9-3b0e62c97cbc/

Updated a year ago, but listed him at 240.

Again, I don't think it's him. But this whole weight talk is ridiculous, especially considering how his weight tends to fluctuate between 20-30 lbs at any given time.

With all due respect............Mingo is probably one of the very last guys that should be criticized for his mouth.

Sometimes, I wonder if he is too passive. Hell, I would have been pissed off if I had only played four snaps. Mingo just says........whatever is best for the team.

Amazing.

Yeah, again, I want to make very clear that I'm not saying Mingo is jerking us around, but his agents and the Browns are using him to jerk us around. This isn't a fault on Mingo.

You take coverage linebackers in the 4th round. You don't take them at #6 overall. He hasn't been THAT effective in coverage. He's been decent. Not something you want to say about the 6th pick in the draft. On the other hand Dilbert is just a headcase. I'd rather have Mingo. But not by much. Neither of them is anywhere NEAR where they were drafted at.

Looks like Tarzan playes like Jane. He's a bust. Pure and simple. I agree though. He doesn't have a "mouth". He's not a headcase. Perhaps you're right and he's too timid. Unless someone lights a serious fire under his ass he needs to go... he's taking up space. Horton was his first coach. He's all about the pass rush. If anyone can get something out of the kid it's him. So he has one more chance. He better make the most of it. I'm not holding my breath.

Oh, I don't argue that Mingo is some great player. He has absolutely disappointed as a pass rusher, and has been largely reduced to being a role player.

That said, him even being a role player is miles ahead of Gilbert so far.

I think when it comes to Mingo, I think his biggest impediment to reaching his full potential whatever that may be is coaching and scheme. In college his ability to get to the QB was based upon his highly unusual quickness for a guy at his position. Move forward, the Browns draft him and at the time we have a DC in Horton who believes in playing to the strengths of his players. Mingo has his most productive year which could have been even more so had he not run himself out of so many plays as was mentioned before... but I think you can reasonably file that under "rookie learning curve". After that he had 2 yrs where the DC was more about trying to fit the player in to the scheme than it was about playing to their strengths... Mingo's production goes down. I don't think that's a coincidence.

I've said before that I think Mingo is that kind of player that has a fairly unique ability and would require a coach creative enough to exploit that. My gut feeling is that he's along the lines of a Jabaal Sheard: production and development hampered by coaching and scheme, becomes a productive player when he goes somewhere where they play to his strengths.

You can blame a lot of the problem on the press as well as these guys make crap up all the time, while the minions run around worshipping them

Thank you, CHS, for clarifying more eloquently than I did.

When I meant lip service, I didn't mean to say Mingo was a liar or anything. He seems quite the opposite, actually. I just meant that we've heard that he's been trying to put on weight before, and with the same outcome each time.

I also think part of it is that he's too timid on the field, but that could've been because of his untimely injuries. He had to battle through painful injuries when he was getting significant playing time.

j/c

Browns not picking up the 5th year option on Mingo according to NFLN...

So is he pricey to keep next year or this would require a new contract, I assume. He seems to need a transfusion of rattler venom. Just want him to be a harsh player. Seems to chase the ball as recovery a bunch.

We need to hold the edge and we need to crash the outside guys. Mingo hasn't done much of either that I recall seeing.

New FO.........another purge of the roster.

To quote one of my favorite groups when I was growing up ..... "That's the way of the world".

On the bright side, there's not a whole lot left to purge.

I suppose my point is that the Browns keep firing guys. A new regime comes in, gets rid of players from the previous regime and keeps their own draft picks. Then, another group comes in and does the same thing. And then it happens again.

The constant turnover of the roster is perhaps one of the biggest reasons the Browns always lose.

I hoping this is a move can benefit both sides. If he stinks in 2016, he can leave without any cap obligations to us. If he's good, we'll franchise/sign him long term or he walks for a big contract to the tune of a compensatory pick. The pressure is on him.

If we didn't re-sign the guys we love, i know we won't re-sign Mingo. I hope he shows out this season, and maybe things will change, but with all the guys we drafted, he may not even see a lot of time.

That's what BTTB was saying going into last season and its a point that has no counter argument.

He only played 24% of defensive snaps last year. He can't be on the field much less.

That's a huge contributing factor. We fire one guy, hire another who goes in a different direction, cut guys who don't fit the new schemes .... then fire him,and change things up again .....

We've done this 3 times in 4 years.

I posted Farmer's drafts on another thread, and they actually weren't all that bad, outside of the 1st round. That's a sad statement in a way, but it is true.

In 2014, he blew the Manziel and Gilbert picks. However, he hit on Bitonio, and Kirksey.

In 2015, he is 50.50 on Shelton, and Erving is still up in the air. However, Orchard really came on late in the season. He is a promising player for this year. Duke Johnson was a great pick. I think that Campbell starts this year at Safety. Cooper and Gaines look like they could have some usefulness.

He might have been a solid personnel guy, if we could have had someone else handle round 1. lol

However, your point is valid, in that we have a whole new front office and coaching staff, and they have to decide if these guys are what they want, or not.