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I would love Paxton Lynch in the second...that ain't happening. I'm thinking now you'll need well into the top twenty to get him. I'd like to see him under Jackson's supervision to improve his accuracy in a year.
My hope is they could get into a spot to draft their QB (trade down a few spots again) and use some of their acquired ammo to come up and get a top flight WR also.
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My top 3 at #8 would be:
Buckner
Jack
Hargreaves
We need defensive help bad and I think the first two would give our front/middle 7 immediate help. We need a game changer and Buckner is a beast who could be an immediate presence on our line. Also, the argument for bust could be made for virtually any/every player. Nobody knows for sure who will be a stud and who wont be. Some may be more sure things but, I think all of them have the ability to struggle, or at least, have a learning curve to adapt to the NFL. Look no further than Shelton as a good example...many folks loved the pick when it came but during the season he received numerous criticisms in here and the "bust" tag was thrown around.
Jack doesn't worry me either. For every article about his knee there is another discrediting it. The healthiest player can get hurt in pre-season. It's a gamble with the game they play. Our LB group is weak and he too would be an immediate impact and welcome addition. He admits the weakest part of his game is his pass rush but, he has many other great strengths and maybe Horton and his crew can help him in this area.
Ramsey will be gone in the top 3/4 that leaves Hargreaves as the 2nd best DB. I am one to believe a disruptive pass rush helps remove pressure from the corner. This will help remove the need to take one as high as in the top 3 or pay obscene sums for (Norman!) This is why I Buckner is my preferred 1st pick. But, our DBacks are also a concern. Injured or not, Haden was a shadow of his former self last season. Hopefully he returns to form but, we have no idea where Gilbert will be so need to assume more of the same. After losing Skrine I was excited about Tramon Williams but once Haden was gone and the pressure was on Williams he whiffed on some big, game changing plays. Thus, why I would be ok with Hargreaves taken at 8.
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No brainer to me.
TRADE DOWN.
Tenn at 15 and I want 15, a 2nd this year and one of their 2017 1st rounders. NO LESS.
Jets? How bad you want Lynch? 20, 2nd rounder THIS year and your 2017 1st rounder. NO LESS.
We target Doctson or Ragland.
Just do it and get as many top 75 guys in here as possible because in 2017 we're STILL gonna need a damn QB. Same cost for dropping 7 or 12 spots?
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I think I'd like pick 20, Wilkerson, and a future 1st from the Jets instead. The deal with Wilkerson would be the trouble, but this would help our run and pass D. ...Lynch would have to get past the 49ers.
I'd target Doctson at 20. I think our ILBs could be okay with better play in front.
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I'd like to see the Browns trade back again to 13 or 15. I'd play Miami and Tenn against each other and see how badly Miami wants Zeke, or how badly Tenn wants Tunsil (if he gets to 8) or Stanley. Since we appear to have traded out of the elite portion of the draft, we may as well get a quantity of picks in the 2nd tier. That trade down should net at least another #2. With the 13 or 15 pick, I'd go best WR (Treadwell / Doctson).
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If they did trade down from 8 to the teens or 20 then I think I would want a WR with that 1st pick.
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I do tend to agree. Buckner can really, really stack well, but sometimes he struggles with the shed, especially with better competition. For a top 10 pick, there are a ton of guys with much better, more impactful help there.
I know people seem to think Buckner is a 3-4 end, but he screams 3 tech to me.
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Buckner is a gamble I would be willing to take.
So is Jack.
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We haven't had an impact linebacker in so long, I can't remember other than Clay Mathews. Has it been that long? Lol
We total blew not getting Kahil Mack, so with that said
Myles Jack is my pick 100%
I can't help but get exited thinking of the draft picks we recvd and possibly getting the most impact player of MAJOR need.
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I think the Browns are going to trade back 1 more time. I think Zeke Elliot will be picked 8th by the Dolphins after they trade 1st #13 and 2nd #42 to Cleveland. The Browns then will draft the QB Hue Jackson wants to mold. Paxton Lynch at #13.
So the Browns draft a QB and pick up a 2016 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. A 2017 1st and a 2018 2nd in the process.
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I think the Browns are going to trade back 1 more time. I think Zeke Elliot will be picked 8th by the Dolphins after they trade 1st #13 and 2nd #42 to Cleveland. The Browns then will draft the QB Hue Jackson wants to mold. Paxton Lynch at #13.
So the Browns draft a QB and pick up a 2016 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. A 2017 1st and a 2018 2nd in the process.
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Trade down.
If not....
Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, Jack, Stanley, Rankings--- Hargraves---Zeke---Conklin
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I think the Browns are going to trade back 1 more time. I think Zeke Elliot will be picked 8th by the Dolphins after they trade 1st #13 and 2nd #42 to Cleveland. The Browns then will draft the QB Hue Jackson wants to mold. Paxton Lynch at #13.
So the Browns draft a QB and pick up a 2016 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. A 2017 1st and a 2018 2nd in the process. Didn't MKC post that she believes Hue may want Elliott and he is their target at #8?
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Thats right so the only way Miami gets him is to overpay for him ...
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Myles Jack. I can live with others with the exception of an offensive lineman. Get an impact player.
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OL aren't impact players?
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What I would not like:
--Trading down significantly
--Trading down more than one more time
--Buckner. I think he has bust potential
--Lynch. Way too early.
--Stanley, or any other offensive lineman
I'm curious about your insights on Stanley. I realize he's not in the same class as Tunsil. What do you see?
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What I would not like:
--Trading down significantly
--Trading down more than one more time
--Buckner. I think he has bust potential
--Lynch. Way too early.
--Stanley, or any other offensive lineman
I'm curious about your insights on Stanley. I realize he's not in the same class as Tunsil. What do you see? I think Stanley has good size. I think he has good feet. Pretty athletic guy. Kinda like Ferguson from the Jets. I do think that he will get overpowered by guys who play w/good leverage. We saw what happened w/Erving when he couldn't just get by w/being way more talented than his competition. Likewise, I think Stanley will get pushed around a bit early in his career. I do think he is a good player..........it just burns me to think that we already had a good tackle here in Schwartz. And this team has so many other needs, it would just fry my butt to have to take a tackle that high. Note: To everyone else...........I don't want to get into why/how Schwartz is gone again. The bottom line is he was here and now he ain't. Having to draft a RT in round one would piss me off.
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j/c...
I don't wish us to trade back...maybe once more only cause it could happen...one more trade back to 13 or 15. Please no further than this. I don't think they will they seemed very happy at the prospect they can get at 8 (which means they have 3 or 4 in mind.
2. I really don't see us doing all this for Lynch (at 13 or 15) at this point I won't be surprised at anything but I just don't see that happening.
Again if Jack's injury is no big deal. He is amazing and it would be nice having an AMAZING on the Defense.
3. I was watching draft stuff on NFL Network and that kid Hargreaves is impressive. One thing I do not know is work ethic and things of that nature. I usually find out after we draft a guy...lol 
4. On Stanley...I hate OL when they call them lazy almost always don't come out in the long run. Almost always that means they are not in LOVE with football just playing cause they are big and can make money. If what I read is true.
He could become a decent RG possibly RT if he works hard. Not sure about the LT gig in the future.
Why I would consider Spriggs at 32 if available...as one of a possible few. Conklin is a beast and would be great at RT but 8 is too early and 32 no way will he be there.
Maybe in that drop down thing 13 or 15.
WR still doesn't look good for me early 8-32....Mid rounds we probably will pick up a couple. 65-100
jmho and yes, I know that's just me.
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Note: To everyone else...........I don't want to get into why/how Schwartz is gone again. The bottom line is he was here and now he ain't. Having to draft a RT in round one would piss me off. The fact is that Schwartz is gone. It stinks that we have to replace him, but we do. Drafting a right tackle in the first round is a real possibility. We should view that hole in the roster the same way we view the wide receiver position.
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Well, the dude asked me for my opinion and I expressed that opinion. Is that bad for the board? 
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I am just responding to your post in which you said "having to draft a RT in round one would piss me off."
The manner in which a player left the roster should not affect future roster decisions.
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I am just responding to your post in which you said "having to draft a RT in round one would piss me off."
The manner in which a player left the roster should not affect future roster decisions. I would say if RT was the best player available fine draft him. But, to draft for need because you did not resign your own player does not make sense.
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To fill a hole, regardless of how it became a hole, does make sense. If your player said, "Screw you. I wouldn't play another snap on your team for all the money in the world.", would it not make sense to fill that hole in the draft?
So why does it not make sense to fill that hole now?
Filling the hole is one thing. Being upset as to how it became a hole is completely different thing. Right now we have a hole to fill, regardless of how it became a hole.
The decision to fill the hole has to be based on the fact that there is a hole, not on how it became a hole.
It doesn't make me happy either that we have a hole where we once had that hole filled with no concern. But that is no longer the reality of the situation. The reality is that there is a hole that needs filled.
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The one player I do not want is Tunsil...
He misses way too many games for my liking, and did not show up at any of the pre-draft functions.
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Thanks Vers, I thought your concern was mainly about his skill set. You cleared that up.
BTW, D-Dub, I didn't count how many times you said hole in your post but the more you did the funnier it was.
For any of our QBs to have any chance at success we have to have at minimum, an average starter at RT. Not to mention to have the ability to run the ball thru all gaps.
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jc....
My board goes something like this.......
Tunsil
Ramsey
Bosa
Wentz
Goff
Jack
Buckner
If those are gone I go with Zeke, but would prefer another trade down to 13-15 because there is really good value there. I love Eze, but Treadwell/Apple at 13-15 + picks is more valuable than a RB in today's NFL.
I am also in the minority in not thinking this is a weak draft. I think there are a ton of guys between picks 15-80 that will be really good NFL players. I would like as many of those picks as we can possibly have. If the Dolphins love Zeke as much as is rumored I would move down 7 spots for their 2nd rounder. That gives us 7 picks in the top 100 and the 32 pick to acquire more if we so choose.
What I don't want to do is move down below the 13-15 range, because I want an impact player to go along with the roster building we need to accomplish in this draft.
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If we end up with Conklin anyone else think Joe will be gone by the deadline. Maybe this front office is enticed by the denver offer last year. If we took Conklin we could replace Joe nearly free of charge before he reitres.
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I don't know if Joe will be gone by there, but if Joe asks for a trade, you can bet we will.
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The decision to fill the hole has to be based on the fact that there is a hole, not on how it became a hole. Are you overweight? Are you in very good physical shape? Do you workout each day? Have a sensible diet? Are you a non-smoker? See, some of us believe in preventative medicine before we find ourselves buried in that final "hole" in the ground.
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Once I am overweight and out of shape my focus should be on losing weight and getting back in shape rather then focusing on feeling miserable about myself that I let it happen.
It's about problems and solutions. If we need a solution we need to focus on that. Once solved, we can focus on how the problem happened in attempt at understanding it so it doesn't happen again.
I think I might have shared my philosophy on here before that if your young child spills his milk by goofing around at the dinner table, a scolding is not what is needed. What is needed is a rag. There's plenty of time to learn/teach the lesson after the problem's been solved.
To not want to take an OL early because you don't like that we made the hole ourselves is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
You've since changed that stance, and I applaud you for it, and that is all I'm talking about.
I too hate that we may have to pass off on a BPA to fill an OL need we created ourselves. I hate that. But the reality is we need to fill an OL need. I'm not certain that solution is on the roster. Even if it is, (Pastor or Bitanio), we'd still need depth in case of injury.
That's problem that needs to be faced. I really don't see an argument here. Maybe a difference in philosophy.
In the end I think we both agree that the reality is we need a RT.
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Not going to build this into something it isn't.
Just one thing mentioned. In the end I think we both agree that the reality is we need a RT.Do we have that "URGENT NEED" for RT we lost Schwartz who was ok and got better. Why...we can go back and forth and point the blame. As you stated that doesn't matter the factor is this is our rosters and we should improve it.
I think its possible to have Conklin or Stanley as the BPA on our board when #8 rolls around. If we took him obviously its not overkill at a position. I don't think we will jump 4-5 players who are on our board higher than one of the RT prospects. I don't think we have that URGENT NEED... note I must put in a disclaimer (yep I'm the one that must...lol ) This is my opinion and not a fact it is possible we have a bunch of BUMS as our RT fill in right now. We could have one that is looking good. I have no inside info. Just stating my opinion if that is ok with all.
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...it just burns me to think that we already had a good tackle here in Schwartz. And this team has so many other needs, it would just fry my butt to have to take a tackle that high.
Note: To everyone else...........I don't want to get into why/how Schwartz is gone again. The bottom line is he was here and now he ain't. Having to draft a RT in round one would piss me off.
These guys are smart..these guys have a plan...that is all I hear...
...well, making holes just backfill those holes with a guy you drafted..that is dumb as hell, imo. Creating a need where was no need is counter productive when you have a team with so many needs on the both sides of the ball.
These idiots blow a first round pick on a RT and a lot of Browns fans will take notice of just how dumb the Browns front office is.
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We all have our opinions. Unlike most people around here, I think that is a strength of the board.
I think it is important to think ahead and plan to eliminate potential problems rather than having to resort to reactionary moves all the time.
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If we stay at #8 I hope OT Ronnie Stanley is there. I now hear that some actually like him more than Tunsil(NFL Network). It fills a BIG need and he might be an upgrade over Schwartz.
I dont want LB Jack. Too many question marks between knee and character to screw around at 8.
I would also be happy with D Buckner as he would fit well in Hortons system next to Shelton.
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You and others were correct about Farmer and agree he should have thought ahead and solved the problem. These guys had 30-60 days to clean up the mess as compared to the 2 years.
Again those are my opinions based on the facts.
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Our opinions are different. 32 posted a link that part of Sashi's previous job was to negotiate contracts. Thus, he actually had a lot longer than 30 to 60 days.
Furthermore, how long did KC and Atlanta have to get a deal done w/those guys? They were not permitted to negotiate w/the Browns during the year, were they?
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Are the Browns Trying to Leverage the Offensive Tackle Market?By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Apr 23, 2016, 8:01p The rumors are running rampant about what the Cleveland Browns will do with the No. 8 overall pick of the draft. One of the latest rumors comes from the reliable Tony Pauline of Draft Insider, who says the team could have an interest in offensive tackle Jack Conklin: I'm told [Conklin] is being considered as an option for the Browns with the eighth pick. The team desperately needs a right tackle, and they met with Conklin extensively during Michigan State's pro day. Unless the name is Laramy Tunsil, landing an offensive lineman at No. 8 overall probably wouldn't be the biggest crowd-pleaser among Browns fans, especially after they just let a promising young right tackle walk in free agency with Mitchell Schwartz. Another possibility here is that the Browns could be trying to leverage the offensive tackle market, just like they did with the quarterback market already. Tunsil, once thought to be the certain No. 1 overall pick of the draft to the Titans, now might not even be viewed as the top offensive tackle. His his pre-draft press conference the other day, Mike Mayock of the NFL Network compared Tunsil and Ronnie Stanley, and how teams are viewing the two tackles: "There's been some Ronnie Stanley momentum amongst the top-10 teams as far as even over Laremy Tunsil. I think the conversation is that Tunsil might be a little bit more -- might be a better athlete today, but Stanley is a better run blocker, and his feet are really close. So my point is as an evaluation, they're very, very close, and Stanley has got no off-the-field issues." Mayock also talked about the Titans' interest in still drafting an offensive tackle and how they could trade up if either Tunsil or Stanley are available. If both of them are gone, they might even want to jump the Giants (at No. 10 overall) to take Conklin: The nice thing for the Titans is they have so many picks right now that if they did want to get back up, and I use the example of either Stanley or Tunsil sliding down into that seven, eight, nine range, I think Tennessee could get back up there and get them. But if that's not what they want to do, if they sit at 15, whether or not Conklin is there, the Giants at 10 could be looking at Conklin. He's become a hot name in the last month or so. If he was there at 15, I think that would be a win. He could start at right tackle day one and you'd have bookend tackles, and I think Mariota would be very happy. If Conklin was there, I think that's a huge win, and then the next guy in line is Taylor Decker, and he could very well be in play for Tennessee at 15. Matt Miller of Bleacher Report is also hearing that three offensive tackles could be coveted in the Top-10, including Conklin...I just hope the Browns aren't one of those teams at No. 8. http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/4/23/1...e-tackle-market
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Our opinions are different. 32 posted a link that part of Sashi's previous job was to negotiate contracts. Thus, he actually had a lot longer than 30 to 60 days.
Furthermore, how long did KC and Atlanta have to get a deal done w/those guys? They were not permitted to negotiate w/the Browns during the year, were they? This is true...But We don't know what the cut off point was. Did Farmer or even Jimmy set a Max value? Another thing to consider is, when it was decided to tear down & rebuild through the draft, wouldn't it make more sense to draft a rookie and pay him half of what MS was wanting? Think about that for a minute. In the next 2-3 years, when were ready to turn the corner, instead of having to re-up MS or replace him then we will already have our RT.
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[quote=eotab][color:#FFCC33]You and others were correct about Farmer and agree he should have thought ahead and solved the problem. These guys had 30-60 days to clean up the mess as compared to the 2 years. Again those are my opinions based on the facts. EO, I love ya man, but please stop saying this is your opinion. You don't need to say that. Just keep posting and saying whats on your mind. If someone does not like it...Tuff Taffy 
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