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Our opinions are different. 32 posted a link that part of Sashi's previous job was to negotiate contracts. Thus, he actually had a lot longer than 30 to 60 days.

Furthermore, how long did KC and Atlanta have to get a deal done w/those guys? They were not permitted to negotiate w/the Browns during the year, were they?

Again won't go back and forth cause you obviously do not wish to believe in these guys..which is your MO with all new regimes.

I think it was Rob Rang that I saw had Conklin to us.

My gut says that if Goff, Wentz, Tunsil, Ramsey, Bosa, Buckner, and either Stanley or Jack are gone, I could see a trade down for us. Miami, Chicago, and NO could all use CBs, and I have to assume TB has Stanley and Hargreaves at top of their list. Miami, Giants, and Oakland could all use RB as well, and want to jump up to ensure they get Zeke. There are several teams that need a tackle that might want to move up if Stanley is available. Moving into the 10-15 area and Conklin has to be in play. (my question is if we take him, is he RT, or OG with Bitonio moving to RT?)

I'm kind of bummed I have plans Thursday night, I'll be out by the time #8 comes around, thank goodness for smart phones.

PLAYER OVERVIEW

It's rare to see defensive backs mentioned as worthy of the No. 1 overall selection in the NFL Draft, but Ramsey deserves it with his natural playmaking skills. He can play cornerback (inside or outside), but his best NFL fit is in a nickel or safety role.
As a true sophomore in 2014, he led the Seminoles with 14 passes defended and finished second on the team with 9.5 tackles for loss, adding 79 tackles, three sacks and two interceptions. Ramsey occasionally lined up as Florida State's starting free safety in 2014, also moving inside as the "big" nickel defender and showing his versatility as a cornerback and hybrid safety/linebacker.

Ramsey moved to boundary cornerback as a junior in 2015 and although he didn't record an interception, Ramsey led the Seminoles in passes defended (10) for the second straight season, earning First Team All-ACC honors.

"Today, after having in depth discussions with my parents, my coaches and others whom I hold dear to my heart, I am announcing my decision to pursue my dream, forgo my senior year of football at Florida State and declare for the 2016 NFL Draft," Ramsey said in a statement Jan. 5 announcing he would enter this year's draft.

STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES

STRENGTHS: Tall, long-armed athlete with adequate muscle tone. Long-striding athlete with terrific range, acceleration and closing speed. Light feet and lateral agility to mirror at the line of scrimmage or stay in phase with receivers down the field.
Fluid change of direction skills, collecting himself with the natural flexibility to break down on the move. Drops his hips and goes from 0-to-60 quickly. NFL-level eyes, vision and spatial awareness, seeing the field very well with astute patience and anticipation.

Uses his length exceptionally to press, get his hands on the ball, wrap tackle and shed blocks. Effective dip and bend as an edge blitzer. Extensive special teams experience as a gunner, playing on both kickoff and punt coverages. Playmaker with the ball in his hands, averaging 23.4 yards per return (5/117/2) on turnovers.

Standout track career at Florida State, winning the ACC long jump title (26-1.5) at the 2015 outdoor and indoor championships. Also finished seventh in the 100-meters (10.61) and ran lead-off leg in 4x100 relay (39.28). Locked-in competitor with a fearless alpha-male personality. Offers versatility with starting experience at both safety, cornerback and hybrid versions of both. Very durable and didn't miss a start in his three collegiate seasons (40 career starts).

WEAKNESSES: Room to add bulk and needs to develop his functional strength to better finish off-balance tackles and disengage blocks. Room to clean up his tackling technique, patience and pad level. Will get run over in the NFL if he doesn't use better lower body bend.

Loves to bait throws, but will allow his eyes to spend too much time in the backfield, surrendering completions. Needs to improve his discipline and timing in coverage. Upright backpedal and lacks easy transitional movements due to his leggy athleticism.

Playmaker with the ball in his hands, but questionable hands and needs to be a better finisher at the catch point, dropping several interceptions on his game film.

IN OUR VIEW: If you combined a cornerback and safety into one prospect, the result would look something like Ramsey, who was blessed with the inherent instincts and intuition along with the size/athletic profile to be a difference-maker.

While versatile, his 2014 game film as a hybrid safety was better than his 2015 game film at boundary cornerback due to his long, easy strides to cover a lot of ground, but he can do everything you want in the secondary and is also an impact player on special teams coverages.

It's rare to see defensive backs mentioned as worthy of the No. 1 overall selection in the NFL Draft, but Ramsey deserves it with his natural playmaking skills. He can play cornerback (inside or outside), but his best NFL fit is in a nickel or safety role.

COMPARES TO: Tyrann Mathieu, Arizona Cardinals - While some teams will like him better as a cornerback and others as a safety, like Mathieu, Ramsey is better categorized as a playmaking defensive back due to his rangy skill-set and versatility.

--Dane Brugler (2/10/16)

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2071515/jalen-ramsey

Did anyone else watch NFL's Mock Draft Special last night? I was watching bb and flipping back and forth to NFL Network. They had Casserly, Mooch, Davis, The Playmaker, Ike Taylor, Brooks, MJD, and some turd I never heard of on there. Jeremiah was the Commish.

No trades were allowed.

Anyway..........both Bosa and Ramsey were available when the Browns came up. Taylor chose Ramsey. Man, that would be a dream come true.

Had the Browns stayed at 2, Ramsey was the guy I wanted. To trade down, get all those picks, and STILL get Ramsey would be phenomenal. Even if he was gone, getting Bosa at 8 would also be great.

I know that that probably has very little chance of happening, but strange things occur in the draft. One crazy move at the top can set things off and an excellent player can fall.

And since this is a What would we would like or dislike thread about the Browns at 8, I will say:

I would be thrilled beyond belief if the Browns grabbed either Ramsey or Bosa at 8. I would be extremely angry if the Browns traded down from 8 w/either one of those guys available.

I think he is 6'1" and 210 lbs or so.

What I like?

He is a supreme athlete who can play corner or safety. The Browns would be able to move him around. Last night, I think it was Casserly who was saying they could line him up on big, fast WRs, allow him to play center field, and line-up against a guy like Gronk, and even line up in the box as linebacker/SS type. That is why he has been compared to Matthieu.


He's tall, has good hips and great feet. He is an impact player and that is something the Browns desperately need. There is a reason he was being talked about as the possible first pick in the draft. Read the article from Bulger that I posted.

Again...........I don't think there is hardly any chance he lasts until 8, but man, if he did...........

I really don't think there is much of a chance of him falling to 8, but if he did, we should have the card waiting for the Commish as he walked on the stage.

These two things do not go together.

j/c:

I got another move the FO could make that I would absolutely HATE:

Trade down and draft Henry from Alabama. I might have to go to Berea and kick the "ash" out of Sashi's name if that happens.

Round 1 (eighth overall)
Myles Jack, LB, UCLA

Despite differing reports on Myles Jack’s knee, there is no denying his athleticism and tremendous upside. Jack might be the best pure athlete in this draft class, and his improvement in the run game before his early-season injury was a great sign. He didn’t shy away from taking on blockers when he needed to. While he wasn’t asked to rush the passer much at UCLA, there is nothing about his game that says he can’t. Our top-graded coverage linebacker in 2014, Jack’s role as a hybrid player would be a great fit in Cleveland.

Josh Doctson, WR, TCU

Doctson is now very much in play for the Browns in the first round after the trade. A position the team has lacked in recent years, Doctson would instantly upgrade the receiving corps in Cleveland. With Josh Gordon looking less likely to every play again in the NFL, the Browns taking a WR early would fill a major position of need without reaching. Our top-graded receiver before injuring his wrist, Doctson’s body control and ability to catch wayward passes is top notch.

DeForest Buckner, DI, Oregon

In a best-case scenario, Buckner falls to No. 8 and the Browns get an absolute monster. Buckner is our No. 2 player overall, and is a perfect scheme fit. The former Oregon Duck is a freak athlete and dominated the Pac-12 in back-to-back seasons. He graded as the best interior defender in 2015, and should be very productive in the NFL.

Round 2 (32nd overall)
Noah Spence, ED, Eastern Kentucky

Spence has his off-field issues, but if he puts those behind him, the Browns would be getting a pass-rusher that dominated the Senior Bowl. He is questionable as a run-defender, but his tremendous upside as a pass-rush specialist is too much to pass up on.

Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis

Any ideas of who the Browns front office likes at the quarterback position is purely guesswork at this point. While we view Lynch as a third-round prospect, it’s not out of the question to draft the former Tiger at the top of the second round. He might be gone by this pick in reality, but the need for a QB is evident. While it’s becoming more likely that Robert Griffin III will be starting in 2016, Lynch is a good option to sit and learn for a year or two. Lynch has solid accuracy (77.1 percent adjusted completion percentage, fourth-best in class) and has good mobility.

Michael Thomas, WR, Southern Mississippi

How the first round will pan out with the receivers is anyone’s guess, but if the Browns pick the “other” Michael Thomas, no Cleveland fan should scratch their head. This version was snubbed of a combine invite after catching 71 passes for 1,392 yards and 14 touchdowns, posting 2.98 yards per route run (fifth-best in class).

Round 3 (65th and 77th overall)
Bronson Kaufusi, ED, BYU

Kaufusi played five-tech at BYU in their 3-4 defense and dominated, grading as the sixth-best interior defender in the 2016 class. Kaufusi wins with a quick first step to go with arguably the best hands of any defensive lineman in this class. He led all 3-4 DEs with a 13.2 pass-rushing productivity, and his 12.1 run-stop percentage was second-best.

Kyle Murphy, OT, Stanford

Murphy would fill a need left by the departed Mitchell Schwartz. The former Cardinal standout graded as the seventh-best OT in this class, and is a better run-blocker than pass-protector.

Joe Schobert, LB, Wisconsin

Schobert isn’t going to “wow” with athleticism, but what he does have is an uncanny ability to beat offensive tackles. Schobert does a great job reading the tackle’s footwork and body position, and then make a move that beats him. With the top pass-rushing productivity of any edge defender in 2015 (22.7), Schobert recorded 52 total pressures on just 182 pass rush snaps.

j/c:

I got another move the FO could make that I would absolutely HATE:

Trade down and draft Henry from Alabama. I might have to go to Berea and kick the "ash" out of Sashi's name if that happens.