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You mean the good old days when all y'all did was agree with each other and brown nose?

Put me on ignore, then you can avoid the arguments.

But if there's something I don't agree with, I'll challenge that opinion.


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I find pot and alcohol to be very similar with both it's use and the damage it does to the body. Both make people just as stupid. It also damages the body just like tobacco. The only reason alcohol is favored over pot is because alcohol is the traditional drug of a majority European descent populace. I also think the politicians of the time saw pot as a communist plot to subvert the American culture, so they made it illegal.


You need to do some more research, pot is pretty much safe and does nothing to your body.

The main reason why pot is illegal is because of big pharmaceuticals companies lobbies against it. Big drug pharmaceuticals companies can't have people growing their own pain reliever to cure their common or chronic pain, they need people to buy their product. Making pot legal is bad for business.

Remember to always follow the money.

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do i care. i responded to your post because i can. what are you gonna do about it?

nothing, except be mad.


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j/c

You guys need to give up the drug angle as motive because we're told there's no such thing as a violent drug offender...


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who ever said that? that's what they teach you in cop school? crazy.


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You guys need to give up the drug angle as motive because we're told there's no such thing as a violent drug offender...


We need to give up the drug angle because the thought of this being about a nuclear bomb is still a lot more exciting tongue

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who ever said that? that's what they teach you in cop school? crazy.


Oh, I was referring to the millions of people locked up unjustly for drug offenses... they're all nonviolent offenders you know. Or so I'm told.

light purple for the mild sarcasm naughtydevil

Curios to know though, what constitutes a violent drug offense...


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You guys need to give up the drug angle as motive because we're told there's no such thing as a violent drug offender...


We need to give up the drug angle because the thought of this being about a nuclear bomb is still a lot more exciting tongue


Looks like a job for Timothy Dalton 007...



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i would say, and this is just using a cops and justice system perspective, any crimes committed by someone while under the influence of a drug, or over drugs.

so like if this was about weed, that would be a violent drug offense.

getting caught selling weed isn't a violent offense, however. see where i'm coming from?

or like those dudes high or meth or bath salts or whatever who was eating peoples faces. id say thats pretty violent offense.

but don't yall have a policy or regulation in the force that covers that?


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You need to do some more research, pot is pretty much safe and does nothing to your body.

The main reason why pot is illegal is because of big pharmaceuticals companies lobbies against it. Big drug pharmaceuticals companies can't have people growing their own pain reliever to cure their common or chronic pain, they need people to buy their product. Making pot legal is bad for business.

Remember to always follow the money.

Just a FYI I don't smoke.


Maybe you need to do more research. Are you trying to say that sucking smoke of any kind into your lungs is not bad for you? Are you trying to say the chemicals that get sprayed on pot are not bad for you?

Now, I figure you'll tell me that pot is illegal because the drug companies didn't want to compete with the small farmer. I call BS on that. If drug companies found it profitable, they'd have the best crops and refinement processes that public could never achieve. You do know that aspirin comes from white willow bark, right? They don't use the bark because they are able to synthesize the same chemical. Drug companies have been able to synthesize THC for years. I can also tell you from personal experience that it didn't help with my pain after a serious back injury. I still think it works best as an anti-nausea medication for chemo patients.

Swish will probably tell me it was outlawed because it was 'black man's weed'. That probably had something to do with it too. I think you will actually find it was made illegal for what I said earlier. It was an unknown 'dangerous' drug that was being used to subvert the American populace in a communist plot. Add in that the tobacco and alcohol companies didn't like the competition.


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I say everybody is nuts with all these wild ass theories. I know this was done by Aliens. The family had all glued their bungholes closed preventing any more anal probes, and the Aliens didn't like it, so the alien mafia is sending a message.


All kidding aside for a second however. My heart and prayers go out to the children who were spared but who must go through life with no parents, to the parents who have lost their children. To the brothers, sisters, and all other relatives who lost their family, and to the friends of those murdered who are also hurting. frown


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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
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You need to do some more research, pot is pretty much safe and does nothing to your body.

The main reason why pot is illegal is because of big pharmaceuticals companies lobbies against it. Big drug pharmaceuticals companies can't have people growing their own pain reliever to cure their common or chronic pain, they need people to buy their product. Making pot legal is bad for business.

Remember to always follow the money.

Just a FYI I don't smoke.


Maybe you need to do more research. Are you trying to say that sucking smoke of any kind into your lungs is not bad for you? Are you trying to say the chemicals that get sprayed on pot are not bad for you?

Now, I figure you'll tell me that pot is illegal because the drug companies didn't want to compete with the small farmer. I call BS on that. If drug companies found it profitable, they'd have the best crops and refinement processes that public could never achieve. You do know that aspirin comes from white willow bark, right? They don't use the bark because they are able to synthesize the same chemical. Drug companies have been able to synthesize THC for years. I can also tell you from personal experience that it didn't help with my pain after a serious back injury. I still think it works best as an anti-nausea medication for chemo patients.

Swish will probably tell me it was outlawed because it was 'black man's weed'. That probably had something to do with it too. I think you will actually find it was made illegal for what I said earlier. It was an unknown 'dangerous' drug that was being used to subvert the American populace in a communist plot. Add in that the tobacco and alcohol companies didn't like the competition.


Smoking cigarettes of hundreds of chemicals, if you grow your own pot, you would not have any chemicals. The chemicals are what is bad for your lungs.

I don't even know how to respond to the the black mans weed comment.

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he's talking about this:

During hearings on marijuana law in the 1930’s, claims were made about marijuana’s ability to cause men of color to become violent and solicit sex from white women. This imagery became the backdrop for the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 which effectively banned its use and sales.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/blog/how-did-marijuana-become-illegal-first-place

and more supporting evidence about other reasons it was made illegal:

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/02/the_real_reason_marijuana_is_illegal_in_the_united_states_partner/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-influence/real-reasons-marijuana-is-banned_b_9210248.html


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he's talking about this:

claims were made about marijuana’s ability to cause men of color to become violent and solicit sex from white women.



Man I hate when they do that!

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From Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine:

DeWine said he saw evidence of cockfighting at the scene. The one thing I saw were chickens out there. These would be cockfighting chickens,” he said explaining his wife, Fran DeWine, could identify the types of coops used for fighting chickens from the aerial views of the scene shown on television.

So the wife of the Ohio Attorney General can identify cockfighting chicken coops from aerial shots.

How does she possibly even know what a cockfighting chicken coop looks like?

Did the cops miss this? Is Fran Dewine a cockfighting chicken coop expert?

Why did Mike DeWine say this?

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[quote=rockyhilldawg]From Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine:

DeWine said he saw evidence of cockfighting at the scene. The one thing I saw were chickens out there. These would be cockfighting chickens,” he said explaining his wife, Fran DeWine, could identify the types of coops used for fighting chickens from the aerial views of the scene shown on television.

So the wife of the Ohio Attorney General can identify cockfighting chicken coops from aerial shots.

How does she possibly even know what a cockfighting chicken coop looks like?

Did the cops miss this? Is Fran Dewine a cockfighting chicken coop expert?

Why did Mike DeWine say this?[\QUIOTE]

Well, either she was involved in it or my other guess would be that she might've been (remember, guess) an investigative attorney on some other case involving angry birds.



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Reaching for ancient history when we are talking about current events is hardly relevant.


It's not ancient history. It is living proof of what happens when our government bans and makes substances illegal. Death is a bi product of forcing things on the black market.

Surely you comprehend how the manufacturing and distribution of alcohol made that process deadly when it was illegal by inviting the criminal element into the process.

Now comes the choice. Do you blame the people consuming the weed or the government keeping it illegal. That's really the only viable discussion point here.


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The root cause of the problems is people making a choice to break the law and use an illegal substance.

Without criminals buying the stuff, there is no reason for other criminals to involve themselves in supplying the stuff. It is the money from the criminals who use drugs that runs the entire system.

Stop being a criminal and the problem dries up and blows away.

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It cant be that simple...

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Reaching for ancient history when we are talking about current events is hardly relevant.


It's not ancient history. It is living proof of what happens when our government bans and makes substances illegal. Death is a bi product of forcing things on the black market.

Surely you comprehend how the manufacturing and distribution of alcohol made that process deadly when it was illegal by inviting the criminal element into the process.

Now comes the choice. Do you blame the people consuming the weed or the government keeping it illegal. That's really the only viable discussion point here.


While I don't think much of stoners, as a Libertarian I feel the government should not be telling us what we can and can't do with our bodies. If people want to ruin their life by being a drug addict, that's their choice.


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I wonder if 40 would call me a criminal If we was standing face to face.

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I wonder if 40 would call me a criminal to my face.


Yes, I would call you one in Court too. You have admitted it, why shouldn't I agree with you?

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Maybe this thread can get back to what the initial discussion was before it became a pissing contest.

Most victims shot multiple times, some bruised
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Seven of eight relatives who were killed in their southern Ohio homes had been shot multiple times, including one who was shot nine times, according to autopsy results released Tuesday. Some also had bruising, which matched a report from a 911 caller who said two appeared to have been beaten up.

The Hamilton County coroner said the victims — three women, four men and a 16-year-old boy — had wounds to their heads, torso and other parts of the body. Dr. Lakshmi Sammarco's report said one victim had a single wound, one had two wounds, and the rest had three or more. The report didn't specify which victim had which number of wounds.

Ohio's attorney general has called the deaths carefully planned slayings carried out at four locations in Piketon, a rural Appalachian Mountain region community. Mike DeWine has also said there were marijuana growing operations at three of the locations where bodies were found.

DeWine said Tuesday that investigators have received more than 300 tips and are continuing to serve search warrants in an effort to identify the killer or killers. He said 79 pieces of evidence have been sent to a state crime lab for testing and analysis.

Authorities have said members of the Rhoden family were targeted in the slayings.

A woman who called 911 Friday morning to report finding two of the bodies said that she saw "blood all over the house" and that the two looked like they had been badly beaten.

The victims are 40-year-old Christopher Rhoden Sr.; his ex-wife, Dana Rhoden; their three children, 16-year-old Christopher Rhoden Jr., 19-year-old Hanna Rhoden and 20-year-old Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden; Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, 44-year-old Kenneth Rhoden; their cousin, 38-year-old Gary Rhoden; and 20-year-old Hannah Gilley, whose 6-month old son with Frankie was unharmed. Two other children, a 6-month-old and a 3-year-old, were also unharmed.
FILE - In this Friday, April 22, 2016 file photo, authorities set up road blocks at the intersection of Union Hill Road and Route 32 at the perimeter of a crime scene, in Pike County, Ohio. As the investigation into the killings of eight family members in rural Ohio enters its fifth day, more details are being released. Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk told The Columbus Dispatch Monday, April 25, 2016, that the marijuana operations discovered at three of the four crime scenes included a grow-house sheltering hundreds of plants.

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And since I'm s criminal, why haven't you called the cops yet?

As a matter of fact. Devil, can't you report things to other states?

Let them know I'm smoking weed. Hell, tell them I'm doing it right now.

I'm in the act of doing something illegal. I'll give y'all the address and all


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And like I said 40, that's certainly one side of the debate.

However, the reason prohibition was overturned was it was a law that could not be enforced. It was costing our government tons of money to try to enforce and they were losing out on tons of tax money.

Those happen to be the exact same elements that exist today in terms of weed. So it seems to me that if you're using the reasoning of our nation in the 1930's, marijuana laws being repealed make a lot of sense.

Let's look at the facts. Where weed has been made legal, they are reaping even more tax money than was projected. Tax money is not being spent in the court system and incarceration. So in those states, it's a win/win for tax payers.

While you state that the answer is simple by not breaking the law, in the 1930's they realized the obvious fact that this would never happen. So since the "war on drugs" has been being fought and lost now officially since the early 1970's, when is our current society going to realize that those same truths exist today?

I have to say that if people support losing billions upon billions in tax revenue fighting a losing war rather than reaping billions and billions in a common sense measure to make marijuana remain illegal, then they currently have their wish.

Yet people talk about how feeding the poor is a waste of tax payer dollars yet seem to think spending billions to keep marijuana illegal makes perfect sense. Somehow that line of thinking seems very warped to me.


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Yet people talk about how feeding the poor is a waste of tax payer dollars yet seem to think spending billions to keep marijuana illegal makes perfect sense. Somehow that line of thinking seems very warped to me.


So you have decided that legalizing Marijuana equates to feeding the poor? Yes, I agree, seems warped to me as well.

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Yet people talk about how feeding the poor is a waste of tax payer dollars yet seem to think spending billions to keep marijuana illegal makes perfect sense. Somehow that line of thinking seems very warped to me.


So you have decided that legalizing Marijuana equates to feeding the poor? Yes, I agree, seems warped to me as well.


Maybe we're feeding them brownies.


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Thats warped too.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
I'm in the act of doing something illegal.


The thing that dismisses the whole criminal aspect of pot usage is the example in the states that have legalized it for recreational use.

One day you are a low-life, a drug addict, a big part of the criminal element, a big part of what is wrong with America, someone who deserves to be locked up and someone who is a burden to the community.

The next day you're cool. No problem.

It's only criminal because it's illegal. It's only illegal because Big Brother has not yet figured out how to completely control it's distribution and sales.

I don't know of anything else that falls under the illegal blanket of the Federal Gov't but the Feds turn a blind eye to the states legalizing it. Maybe there's a lot of things I don't know about that fit that category.

Weed is legal in Alaska, Colorado, Oregon, Washington and the District of Columbia, though the Feds reserve the right to swoop in at any moment and bust it up. crazy

Are the Feds just observing how individual states handle the distribution/sales and tax collection? When one of them gets it right do the Feds swoop in, take over and mandate that it can only be legal if manufactured and distributed by Big Pharma?

At this point it's all about the money. The fact that the Feds are allowing states to go legal tells me that.


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And that's the sad part. You know as well as I do that once it becomes legal, it will be pharma or extremely wealthy people who get handed the reigns. All of those who laid the foundation for it will be kicked to the curb.

Much like the legislation they tried to pass in Ohio.

And I think we both know it will be legal nationwide at some point.


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Now they’re saying it was a Mexican drug cartel. That’s eerily like the movie No Country For Old Men.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Reaching for ancient history when we are talking about current events is hardly relevant.


It's not ancient history. It is living proof of what happens when our government bans and makes substances illegal. Death is a bi product of forcing things on the black market.

Surely you comprehend how the manufacturing and distribution of alcohol made that process deadly when it was illegal by inviting the criminal element into the process.

Now comes the choice. Do you blame the people consuming the weed or the government keeping it illegal. That's really the only viable discussion point here.


While I don't think much of stoners, as a Libertarian I feel the government should not be telling us what we can and can't do with our bodies. If people want to ruin their life by being a drug addict, that's their choice.



*Slamming on my breaks* Why do you call pot smokers drug addicts? Do you call people who drink drunks? Do you call people who take adderall, ritalin, xanax, Klonopin, Ativan, or Lithium, drug addicts?


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I call people who abuse drugs with no ability to stop, addicts.


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Since the other thread was taken over by the pro and anti pot folks, let's discuss the multi murder case here. The last good post actually related to the topic was WV's:

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Most victims shot multiple times, some bruised
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Seven of eight relatives who were killed in their southern Ohio homes had been shot multiple times, including one who was shot nine times, according to autopsy results released Tuesday. Some also had bruising, which matched a report from a 911 caller who said two appeared to have been beaten up.

The Hamilton County coroner said the victims — three women, four men and a 16-year-old boy — had wounds to their heads, torso and other parts of the body. Dr. Lakshmi Sammarco's report said one victim had a single wound, one had two wounds, and the rest had three or more. The report didn't specify which victim had which number of wounds.

Ohio's attorney general has called the deaths carefully planned slayings carried out at four locations in Piketon, a rural Appalachian Mountain region community. Mike DeWine has also said there were marijuana growing operations at three of the locations where bodies were found.

DeWine said Tuesday that investigators have received more than 300 tips and are continuing to serve search warrants in an effort to identify the killer or killers. He said 79 pieces of evidence have been sent to a state crime lab for testing and analysis.

Authorities have said members of the Rhoden family were targeted in the slayings.

A woman who called 911 Friday morning to report finding two of the bodies said that she saw "blood all over the house" and that the two looked like they had been badly beaten.

The victims are 40-year-old Christopher Rhoden Sr.; his ex-wife, Dana Rhoden; their three children, 16-year-old Christopher Rhoden Jr., 19-year-old Hanna Rhoden and 20-year-old Clarence "Frankie" Rhoden; Christopher Rhoden Sr.'s brother, 44-year-old Kenneth Rhoden; their cousin, 38-year-old Gary Rhoden; and 20-year-old Hannah Gilley, whose 6-month old son with Frankie was unharmed. Two other children, a 6-month-old and a 3-year-old, were also unharmed.
FILE - In this Friday, April 22, 2016 file photo, authorities set up road blocks at the intersection of Union Hill Road and Route 32 at the perimeter of a crime scene, in Pike County, Ohio. As the investigation into the killings of eight family members in rural Ohio enters its fifth day, more details are being released. Pike County Prosecutor Rob Junk told The Columbus Dispatch Monday, April 25, 2016, that the marijuana operations discovered at three of the four crime scenes included a grow-house sheltering hundreds of plants.

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Now they’re saying it was a Mexican drug cartel. That’s eerily like the movie No Country For Old Men.

Hey IRE, maybe you don’t watch enough movies. (they’re edumacational)





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This drives me crazy. Every time they talk to the sheriff, he says the same thing about the shooter(s).
How it might be 1 or maybe 2 guys that are dangerous, really? I don't see how this could be a 1 or 2 guy thing. This looks like a 4-6 man hit squad. It would take more than 2 guys to beat the tar out of 2 of the victims at the same time, not to mention needing some one outside on look out. As I said in another post, in this day and age of phones and alarms, somebody's gotta account for that to. Now their saying that they also had dogs and the dogs weren't barking, did they kill the dogs or are they alive? I don't think they said. Another odd bit was that they (the victims) did not have any criminal records, which is odd considering they had 3 dope farms going. Something stinks here.


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Yeah, the whole thing is just incredibly unbelievable. I'll agree bleedn'... You would need a squad of people to execute this kind of tactical. A lot more questions are being raised than answered. Were the dogs killed? If they weren't, how did these individual(s) get to the front door? This whole thing just seems like there had to be some level of training (military or otherwise) to pull it off in the short amount of time. I wonder if there will be anything else coming out as evidence soon....


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