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You wanna hear stupidity, I am all for taking Jack at 8, and smith at 32. Both are impact LB's and both have knee issues. But if they pull through them we could have a heck of a lb core for years.

You never know how guys fall in a draft. Strange things happen.

I am not saying the Browns should take Zeke, but it might be a stretch to say there will be two better backs in next year's draft class. I think why NFL teams have Zeke rated so high is because he is a complete back. A true 3 down back. He is not only a very good runner, but he is a very good receiver and excellent blocker. That's a rare combination.

I know it might seem like it, but I am not taking a shot at Elliott. I am a buckeye fan and live in Cleveland. But I know that Leanord Fournette is a better back then Elliot, and Dalvin Cook, and Mcafferey are likely better as well. I was more or less saying that we should pass on the RB and go with the playmaker at LB if he is there because next year they may not be a Jack. We will have 2 picks, and likely a shot at Fournette, and/or Cook/Mcaffery.

I wouldn't cry if they took Elliott, I just think there are more pressing needs.

We have too many holes, at this current time, to have the luxury on pulling the trigger on risky players. Until we have some sort of duct taped together foundation, I don't see that changing.

I'm under the mindset that lesser talent will help us more in the long run as opposed to elite talent, where we gotta wonder what they're doing when they're not playing ball/etc. Wonder if they'll make it a full season because, for example, a nagging knee injury or issues with drugs and etc.

A less talented player on the field helps us 10000000 million times more than a superstar being suspended.

I didn't think you were taking a shot. I just think that Zeke is highly regarded because he excels in all three phases of the position. That's rare.

I guess it depends on what you consider "less" talented players. Are we talking less talented in the terms of your average 4th round pick? Are we talking a less talent round 1 pick like say Mingo? "less" talented is subjective. Add to that fact that we cant even hit on "quality" players. It's nearly impossible to hit on those picks anyways. So if you think we can add like 4 "less" talented people I feel it's debateable. Sure we can find less talent, but that doesn't me will find good less talented people.

We have a roster of less talented people now, and it shows with our record.

And how many years do you want us to look for these "less talent" people? At some point we still have to take a chance.

Yes, a bit confusing how I worded it. My apologies. Instead of "less talented", how about we use the terms "average", "above average" and "elite/superstar". Granted any player of any round is a gamble regardless and we can't seem to hit on avg/above average players let alone elites, and even more impossible an elite player where you don't have to be dad like and worry/wonder. Joe Thomas is the only guy that fits the bill. Elite, blue collar and he's just the best.

I'll take 4 average/above average players over one labeled superstar any day of the week right now given we need so much at several positions. Once we have a foundation, minus the Gilberts, minus the Gordons and etc, we can up our gambling aspects with those elites and start taking the risks.

I just feel anyone with whatever issues is just a sure fire tank/bust in the making, it's what I'm use to.

Not trying to be a dick, here, just trying to get your opinion so i can see if i agree with you. You said you would rather land 4 average- above average guys over a superstar. I would agree to this on paper. Howeever again you seem to be putting alot into a single draft class. I mean who on our team would you say is "average- above average " honestly?

Thomas- elite
Haden- good
Bitonio-good
Greco- Above Averag??
Barnidge- good?
Erving- Below average?
Duke Johnson/isaih Crowell- Average
hawkins/gabriel- average??
kruger- Average?
kirksey Above average?
Carder, Mingo, orchard below average?
most of our secondary average-below average?

The things i am trying to point out is that I don't believe our team is much better with average-above average guys. And unless we have 12 picks a year i only expect 1 good player 2-3 contributors, and the rest are projects, or players who will never play a meaningful role with us. I do see what you are saying, i just thing that we need good players, with above average players sprinkled in at best to really be a playoff team.

Playoffs? Dude, I'm just starting at a season with more than five wins lol. Once, or if that happens, we can talk more about other things lol.

I never said anything regarding just a single draft, I said we can start taking the risks on the more elite but troubled players once we have some sort of foundation, which relies on us hitting some picks and getting players worth a damn, which could span across more than one draft.

I never said either, using Joe Thomas as my example, that you can't strike gold and become lucky and acquire an elite that doesn't have the negative baggage, but those types are rare to damn near impossible. Right now, as of this moment in time with our team, give me all the above average players because we have so many needs, and let's let other teams dabble their luck with the Noah Spences and similar troubled, but potential elite, types.

Im sorry if I'm still not getting my point across/making sense. You're definitely not being a dick questioning anything I say though bro, we're all entitled to our views here.

Yes, i think we are saying the same thing. I didn't know you were talking just now, which is why i mentioned playoffs. You are correct that just adding a foundation, and building for a couple years is a better strategy. I though you were getting at what we need to at least be competitive/playoff team, not a 5-7 win team.

Gotcha.

Quote from Myles Jack:



Not good.

Agreed. PASS!

Just want to point out that these teams have the best doctors out there looking at his knees. He wouldn't still be ranked in the top 15 if he only had 3 years. If he falls to round 3 then clearly they know something we dont, but if he goes in the top 20 he is healthier then people are letting on.

Keep in mind this could just be smoke being blown to see if teams who didn't do their homework pass and make him fall to a team later. Not the first time it's happened.

That is a quote from Jack himself.

TFY draft insider's Tony Pauline reports "some" NFL teams are considering having UCLA LB Myles Jack sign an injury waiver before drafting him.

Teams are seemingly increasingly concerned with Jack's knee in the days and hours leading up to the draft. It's believed a chondral defect on Jack's knee may eventually require microfracture surgery, a potentially career-shortening situation teams would prefer to avoid. It remains to be seen whether signing the waiver would help Jack's draft slot. He seems destined for a slide.

Source: Tony Pauline on Twitter

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1

I get that Jack said that. I still don't think that if it's still a huge issue he wouldn't be talked about as a first round pick. If there is a chance he really is only a 3 year player, he would maybe be a 4th rounder. I don't see that happening. I can see not taking him at 8, but i will be shocked if he falls out of the top 25.

I wasn't a fan of Jack at 2, but man..........I feel really bad for this kid. That's a damn shame.

I am fine with not taking him, and Buckner at that spot I would agree is my #2 choice, but not Bosa. If we cannot risk a guy who "may" have knee issues, we cannot take a guy who isn't going to play all 3 downs either.

Unfortunately, what more is there to say? Gotta pass on him, you just gotta.

Even with the injury concerns, if we draft Jack I will be excited. I think he is the most talented player in the draft.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...racture-surgery

Nobody can accuse Myles Jack of overselling the long-term health of his surgically-repaired right knee.

The former UCLA star linebacker acknowledged the potential for microfracture surgery in the future, a procedure that carries a level of risk that could affect how NFL clubs perceive his draft value as the 2016 NFL Draft commences Thursday night. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that microfracture surgery is a possibility for Jack down the line.

"(The degenerative problems are) there, but it's nothing extreme," Jack told The New York Post on Wednesday. "Down the line, possibly I could have microfracture surgery -- potentially. Who knows what will happen? Nobody knows how long anybody is going to play in this league. To play three years in this league would be above average."

Once considered a likely top-five selection in the draft, Jack's knee could now drop him out of the top 10. NFL Media draft expert Mike Mayock projected him to be chosen No. 14 overall by the Oakland Raiders in his Wednesday mock draft, echoing concern about the possibility of a second surgery. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport also reported that Jack is likely to fall to the teens, with the Dolphins and Raiders as possible destinations.

"With a top-10 pick, typically you don't want to touch that. He's going to slide. I don't know how far," Mayock said.

The pace of Jack's recovery prevented him from participation in the NFL Scouting Combine in February, and limited his participation in UCLA's pro day in March. He posted an impressive 40-inch vertical jump there, but canceled a personal pro day scheduled for April 1, when he was expected to run his first 40-yard dash for scouts. Jack harbors no bitterness about the possibility of a draft slide, at least none that he spoke of Wednesday.

"I would understand if I fell," Jack said. "This is a talented draft class, so if I was to fall, I wouldn't take it personally."

Unlike another of the draft's top linebackers, Jaylon Smith of Notre Dame, Jack is expected to be ready to play in 2016. That's helped Jack maintain his status as a potential first-round pick, but his wait in the green room Thursday night could be a prolonged one.

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Just say no to a player in need of microfracture surgery. I have nightmares of Courtney Brown.....

If we stay at 32, I wonder if we end up selling it for Myles Jack tomorrow morning.

No way he falls out of the first round.

Why wouldn't Bosa play all three downs? Plug him in at DE and move on....

The question is who takes the chance? Oakland maybe?

Us if we trade back?

He will be gone before Oakland picks IMO .. he's too good to fall beyond 10-12

The medicals are just completely impossible for me to figure out. With even a slightly bad medical there's no way the Giants would let him pass. But I have no clue when it comes to the medical stuff.

Hopefully any Non Cleveland Browns team does. Hopefully.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/726123345792634882

Thanks!

Potentially great news, both for Jack and for us. The price of our #32 pick may have just risen sky high....

Wow, there's nothing in the articles, not even a hint, indicating he wouldn't need surgery in the future/immediate future.

The concern is still too high for me to justify. We're a rebuilding team, need young talent that'll be here for the long run.

Makes one wonder if the tweet was legit or not. There is a load of misinformation out there right now...

Bosa isn't built to play a 34 defensive end. He would be an outside linebacker, but with 4.8 speed, he would have significant issues in coverage. I know people think he will only rush, but that isn't correct. If he plays 3 downs he will be in coverage some of those downs also, and he would be a huge liability. If we ran a 43, I would agree with you.