I'm not sold on Bosa @ #2. I just don't think he was that elite player everyone was expecting this year. I'd prefer Buckner over him if we went DE at #2.
Given that I actually do respect your opinion - and it not the homerism taking, but that was rough to read there. Bosa is an animal. I wish I had the number of times there were designed double and triple teams even assignments and he's still disrupted the play.
I love the kid. He's power, he's speed, he's not a one move Mingo/Wimberley and he's more powerful than Nate Orchard. He's the real deal. Is he JJ Watt? I doubt it but where you ever going to find another Watt?
Just like our QB pick...if our Coaching Staff/Personnel people are head over heals with a Wentz...they will take him regardless if he is Statistically slotted for #7.
Well if our Hue/Horton as well as the Personnel guys Love Bosa, they can care less if he slotted for #4 or #7...we'll take him at #2 and be justified.
jmho - same would go for Myles Jack or Tunsil....oh and no not a WR
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Sashi Brown to me on improving the ‪#‎Browns‬ defense, Joey Bosa & scheme fit: "We have to find a way to effect the pocket." Brown explained, "you do pay attention to guys who fit your scheme, but what you don’t want to do is take...a less talented player just because he doesn’t fit your scheme.”
Brown added, “...because when you are that special, you find ways to put them in the right position. Both Ray (Horton) and Hue (Jackson) are of that mindset...I do think (Joey) Bosa can play outside and slide inside in rush situations to maximize his opportunity to effect the pocket."
Brown also told me, "I think most people see (Bosa) like a 4-3 end with his hand in the ground...but there are different things you can do schematically to position (Bosa) the right way.” He added, "if (Bosa) has to drop, there are some questions about that but we do think he shows enough flexibility and athleticism to be able to do that. There are some big guys who have played that position whether it is (Terrell) Suggs or (Calvin) Pace and others who have done it really successfully for a long time. So we are confident that (Bosa) will be able to do that.”
I would be happy if the Browns take Bosa at 8 and Ramsey is off the board. Impact player at an important position.
Ramsey is my first want, but the odds of him getting to #8 are slim to none. And slim has left town.
Bosa would work for me if there. And I am softening on my views on taking Zeke. Not a fan of taking a RB that high, but if Ramsey and Bosa are off the board, then I would not be crushed if we took Zeke. Definitely gives us someone the other side needs to think about. Then again, a trade down is another option. I do that if someone overpays for the pick (2nd this year, 1st next year to swap places). If they are not willing to overpay, then I stand pat.
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As if this wouldn't be enough to just go contrarian, but I layed my eyes on his tape and I'll be honest. I quit after the first half vs Michigan St. in 2015. He didn't lay a hand on a runner the ENTIRE half. This guy is a top 10 candidate? This is a joke, right? Boy, where do I start?
- athleticism? "What's that", Bosa answered - he was always last off the snap. Only twice he wasn't, he jumped offsides trying to cheat. - so he didn't do crap vs this OT. Then, on the first play OSU switched their DE, the other OSU DE got a stright sack vs that same OT, lol - and worst is yet to come: he's total CRAP at reading the action in the trash.
I just gave him another chance, this time vs Oregon 2014. Same player
Whoever drafts this dude in round one, let alone top 5 or 10, will get fired for it. Wow, was that a disappointment...so you know who ends up drafting him, lol. This guy next to Shelton might become "dumb and dumber", as I said similar things about Shelton's lack of any instincts in trash. Horrible weakness to have for a DL.
Just please draft somebody else...
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Yeah.....I don't get this sudden fascination w/trading down several times.
I don't get it either.. yes we have multiple holes to fill but one superstar makes everybody around him that much better. We need a couple legit impact players to go along with whatever solid 2nd and 3rd players we can pick..... We don't just need more and more 2nd and 3rd day players.
Edit: I don't know if Bosa is that superstar, but we need a player at 8 that can just flat get it done.
Yeah.....I don't get this sudden fascination w/trading down several times.
The lack of "elite" players this season may have something to do with it. While I wouldn't object to trading down a few spots, further trade downs bring diminishing returns.
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Yeah.....I don't get this sudden fascination w/trading down several times.
I don't get it either.. yes we have multiple holes to fill but one superstar makes everybody around him that much better. We need a couple legit impact players to go along with whatever solid 2nd and 3rd players we can pick..... We don't just need more and more 2nd and 3rd day players.
Edit: I don't know if Bosa is that superstar, but we need a player at 8 that can just flat get it done.
You can get impact players in the middle of the first round too.
He was better vs the run, I'll give him that, but there's just NOTHING dominating in this guy's play. I expected to see something close to Ansah, but there are WORLDS between those two. Athleticism, hustle, ball awareness couldn't be more more 180
How bad is this DL/pass rush class that this is a top 10 candidate? If I squint I see a 3-4 DE, but NO WAY a OLB, he's less athletic than Orchard, who's pure tweener (in a bad way).
JJ Watt? lol
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- athleticism? "What's that", Bosa answered - he was always last off the snap. Only twice he wasn't, he jumped offsides trying to cheat.
I don't agree w/that take. Here are others who also disagree. They were the first two I clicked on. Right at the top of the page when I googled him just now.
Quote:
STRENGTHS: Excellent core strength with a NFL body at a young age. Flexible athlete and doesn't play tight. Bosa has an explosive get-off which helps him generate an immediate advantage over offensive tackles. Better yet, he possesses terrific upper body strength and technically-refined hand usage. Controls his momentum very well with excellent break down skills to collect himself and make plays in space. Strong hands and wrists to be a reliable striker and finisher.
Natural lateral quickness to sidestep blockers with athletic swim moves to step outside and swat inside. Good initial quickness for his size, staying low and generating an immediate push. Heavy-handed and uses his full extension to put blockers on skates. Natural knee bend at the point of attack, using his limbs to work off blocks and mirror the ballcarrier.
Very disciplined and rarely loses contain, leveraging the edge and keeping his vision in the backfield. Rarely fooled with terrific secondary quickness, not taking himself out of plays due to hustle and ball awareness. Active on stunts with experience lining up inside and outside - proven threat anywhere in the front-seven.
High degree of toughness with an understanding of what it takes to be great. Football bloodlines as the son of a three-year NFL veteran.
STRENGTHS Has an NFL-ready frame. Good muscular definition and flexibility to go along with a confident, competitive attitude. Solid upfield burst off the snap. Has booming power in his hands. Uses arm extension and forward lean as his primary weapon. Generates speed-to-power bullrush and plays off of that with a punch and pull technique that pulls tackles off-balance. Focuses pass rush attack on outside shoulder of tackle using forward lean and aggressive hand play. Active hands can completely wipe out a tackle’s weak outside hand allowing him to cave-in the edge. Usually gets hands on defender first. Able to stack and slide along line of scrimmage in pursuit of ball-carrier. Strong core and able to rag doll tight ends who aren’t committed to the fight. Adequate closing burst to the ball. Looks fluid and nimble when dropping into space. Has the talent and traits to be used more aggressively than he was at Ohio State. Grew as a run defender this season. Has forced five fumbles over the last two years. Football is in his blood with a father who was drafted by Dolphins in first round of 1987 draft and an uncle who played at Ohio State in the mid-80s. Motor will never be a problem.
Yeah.....I don't get this sudden fascination w/trading down several times.
I don't get it either.. yes we have multiple holes to fill but one superstar makes everybody around him that much better. We need a couple legit impact players to go along with whatever solid 2nd and 3rd players we can pick..... We don't just need more and more 2nd and 3rd day players.
Edit: I don't know if Bosa is that superstar, but we need a player at 8 that can just flat get it done.
You can get impact players in the middle of the first round too.
You can get impact players in the 5th round if you are really lucky.. the farther you move back, the less chance of you getting an impact player.
Yeah.....I don't get this sudden fascination w/trading down several times.
The lack of "elite" players this season may have something to do with it. While I wouldn't object to trading down a few spots, further trade downs bring diminishing returns.
I believe that's the point some of us are making. Whether it's on D or on O, no teams are successful without at least a few major impact players. That is what you build around.
People can say anything they want. Yes, it's not impossible to find players who outshine their draft status, but your odds go WAY down once you get past the first 12 to 15 picks in any draft.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Yeah.....I don't get this sudden fascination w/trading down several times.
I don't get it either.. yes we have multiple holes to fill but one superstar makes everybody around him that much better. We need a couple legit impact players to go along with whatever solid 2nd and 3rd players we can pick..... We don't just need more and more 2nd and 3rd day players.
Edit: I don't know if Bosa is that superstar, but we need a player at 8 that can just flat get it done.
You can get impact players in the middle of the first round too.
You can get impact players in the 5th round if you are really lucky.. the farther you move back, the less chance of you getting an impact player.
I agree with you about the later rounds. Not so much in the first round though.
I am a Buckeye fan but Bosa gives us a player that will either have a Hall of Fame Career or be out of the league in 3 or less years ... JMHO
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Believe what and who you want. I have nothing in this. Didn't read any hype stuff or rankings this year, just straight to his gameday performance.
Man I must have picked his worst 3 games, but I selected 3 of the bigger name opponents, because if he doesn't do it against them I can care less what stats he piled up vs Western Michigan. He goes to the NFL, not the MAC.
His game is incredibly lame. I saw a dime a dozen 3-4 DE, who might become usefull vs the run, but he will only collect garbage and gift sacks in the NFL.
You know who he reminds me of? What was that dude's name, Esthonian shot put guy the Bengals drafted way too high? Margus Hunt? All hype, go look up his NFL stats to date, lol Another comp and former top 5 pick, what was his name? Total bust for the Dolphins 3-4 years ago. Even traded up to get him. Name escapes me, but Bosa is similar
I trust my eyes, and I've called some 1st rounds duds before from the DE/OLB pool. Mingo, Jarvis Jones, that Oregon dude in the top 5....and I've pimped Ansah and Donald (the small DT for the Rams) as hard as anyone. Been pretty good with DL calls, so....
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If Bosa is there, I don't think it's a question of if, but how quickly they walk up to the Podium. He definitely has a Baltimore Ravens feel to him though.
I think he is a good player that will do well in the NFL. My only concern is regarding the rumors that he parties too much. Not sure if they are true or to what extent if they are true.
On the field, I think he is a fine player that can change the game and we desperately need impact players.
Believe what and who you want. I have nothing in this. Didn't read any hype stuff or rankings this year, just straight to his gameday performance.
Man I must have picked his worst 3 games, but I selected 3 of the bigger name opponents, because if he doesn't do it against them I can care less what stats he piled up vs Western Michigan. He goes to the NFL, not the MAC.
His game is incredibly lame. I saw a dime a dozen 3-4 DE, who might become usefull vs the run, but he will only collect garbage and gift sacks in the NFL.
You know who he reminds me of? What was that dude's name, Esthonian shot put guy the Bengals drafted way too high? Margus Hunt? All hype, go look up his NFL stats to date, lol Another comp and former top 5 pick, what was his name? Total bust for the Dolphins 3-4 years ago. Even traded up to get him. Name escapes me, but Bosa is similar
I trust my eyes, and I've called some 1st rounds duds before from the DE/OLB pool. Mingo, Jarvis Jones, that Oregon dude in the top 5....and I've pimped Ansah and Donald (the small DT for the Rams) as hard as anyone. Been pretty good with DL calls, so....
If the decision came down to Joey Bosa DE Ohio or Jack Conklin OT Michigan State. Jack Conklin dominated the match ups between him and Bosa for 3 years. Bosa had only 8 tackles 7 solo and 1 assist in 3 games vs the Spartans. 2013 3 solo tackles, 2014 only 1 solo tackle, last year 3 solo and 1 assist.
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John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
If Bosa is there, I don't think it's a question of if, but how quickly they walk up to the Podium. He definitely has a Baltimore Ravens feel to him though.
I pray the Ravens or Steelers "get him", but I doubt Ozzie is that dumb. Then again, his drafts have slipped lately, so who knows.
Honestly, has any of you even bothered to watch at least 2-3 full cut ups of this guy? DL have to be consistent, so highlight vids are completely useless. He's not a first rounder. Not even close...
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"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
If the decision came down to Joey Bosa DE Ohio or Jack Conklin OT Michigan State. Jack Conklin dominated the match ups between him and Bosa for 3 years. Bosa had only 8 tackles 7 solo and 1 assist in 3 games vs the Spartans. 2013 3 solo tackles, 2014 only 1 solo tackle, last year 3 solo and 1 assist.
Thanks for this info. Didn't know the guy he played against was also a first round prospect. Bosa indeed did NOTHING against him. Again, he didn't touch the opposing ball carrier for an ENTIRE half. That's not top 10 material
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What if by some chance, that both Bosa and Buckner were still available at #8? Who do you select? IMO...Buckner.
I don't want us to draft either of them... If we want to use one of our first two picks on a top-flight 3-4 DE we can get one at 32. That position is loaded in this draft. There are only 2 or 3 top-end WRs in this draft and will be gone by 32.
What if by some chance, that both Bosa and Buckner were still available at #8? Who do you select? IMO...Buckner.
I don't want us to draft either of them... If we want to use one of our first two picks on a top-flight 3-4 DE we can get one at 32. That position is loaded in this draft. There are only 2 or 3 top-end WRs in this draft and will be gone by 32.
Oh, I agree with you. I am fine with a short trade down and picking Doctson or Treadwell. In the above, I was simply addressing a limited scenario...
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