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Who is the top Wr in this draft?

Treadwell has been the consensus #1 but as the draft approaches it isn't so clear that everyone agrees. I have 3 that I like. There are probably 5 that people will argue for. Here are my impressions.

Treadwell - What I like is that he is big and wins the contested ball. What I love is his physicality and attitude. Dude seems to just love the game of football which is something that the team needs. He is also a beast blocking in the running game. His hands are good but not great. The criticism he gets is his speed. Will he be able to separate? I ask, how much of that is him still recovering from the horrific leg injury he had a year ago? Will his speed and cutting ability improve as he gets further away from that injury?

Doctson - Like Treadwell, he wins the contested ball. I love how he goes up and gets the ball. Seems to be able to get to a higher level than anyone else when going up for the high ball. Has IMO the best hands in the draft. He isn't the fastest receiver. Not even sure how he compares to Treadwell in the 40. But he seems to be able to get separation better than Treadwell does. While I know how Treadwell blocks in the run game I haven't looked at how Doctson blocks.

Coleman - Love his speed. What a dynamic playmaker. Good but not great hands. Is smaller than the others. I haven't seen enough of him blocking in the run game to comment.

Those are my top 3. All of them become #1 in my mind depending on the time of day I am thinking about it. I would like some of your input into comparing these 3.

The other 2 that I think people might argue for are Fuller and Thomas. Fuller has excellent speed and Thomas has good size and decent speed. I think they both have subpar hands and in my mind catching the ball is still the most important thing in the job description of a Wr. I can't quote their drop rates but regardless of how good those numbers might be for these 2 guys I don't like the way they catch the ball. Too many double catches and loose catches. These may be completions when they are running wide open in college but they turn into drops when covered by an NFL Cb. If I want a guy like this then I am going to target Burbridge from MSU later in the draft.

Is there anyone else that I missed that should be included in this discussion?

Your top 3 are the real top 3 (unless you ask 'tab... he likes Canaan Severin.) For me, I have them in the same order as you. Sterling Shepard is next.

My opinion is that Will Fuller has to be in that conversation. He's a bit skinny, but that can be changed. Super fast, good with contested balls, good hands. I would not be surprised if he's the first WR drafted (only because of Treadwell's "speed issues").

fuller's hands are too suspect for me

In terms of talent, Treadwell and Doctson are very close, but Treadwell plays with a fierceness and attitude that sets him apart in my view. Plus there's that distance from injury factor suggesting he can improve.

I actually like Doctson over Treadwell ever so slightly. But it's so very close. That's why I don't see Doctson available at #32.

There's a couple WR I am interested in, out of the top tier; Charone Peake, Braxton Miller, Moritz Boehringer (the German kid), Nelson Spruce, Devin Lucien, Devon Cajuste

That's my order as well, but I have a feeling that Fuller gets drafted before all 3 of them.

I have Doctson at the top. His 10 yard split was faster than Listenbee's (his teammate track star, according to a Gil Brandt piece on NFL.com). He seems to be able to get more deep separation with that burst than I've seen from MegaQuon. His contested catch rate is tops as is his ability to adjust to off target passes. I think that will/would help whoever we end up starting at QB immensely.

RG3's best passing area is probably deep, and I like Doctson better there than Treadwell.

Coleman could be a weapon, but I think Hue likes bigger receivers, and I'm not sure how much he adds in the running game/red zone. He's basically Travis Benjamin to me (yes, a gross oversimplification).

Good input.

I don't like Fuller's hands at all but with that speed someone is going to take him pretty high.

Grimm - agree with you on Doctson. He always seems to find a way to get separation. And I absolutely love love love the way he catches the ball.

W84NxtYrAgain - I agree with you about Treadwell's fierceness. I wonder if he will be physically better another year out. If we assume he is as physically recovered as he can be then as a pass catcher, I like Doctson better. But that fierceness in a leader can change a franchise. You need players with that attitude who will make other players work harder. That is what was great about Ray Lewis. He had that attitude that made those around him want to work harder.

FYI, as I was typing this out my favorite Wr went from Treadwell to Doctson back to Treadwell.

I like Treadwell or Doctson in the 1st. I have them both ranked mid first round and even. I like their size, hands, and catch radius. Neither player are speed demons but both can be #1 type WR's.

In the 2nd round I like Thomas and Boyd. Michael Thomas could be a real sleeper since he played with 2 very erratic QB's last season. Ohio's offense did not feature their WR's last season. If it did Thomas may have been viewed as a 1st round talent. Boyd is a great route runner with great hands. He like Thomas played with erratic QB's.

Which illustrates how close they are. I wouldn't be disappointed with either. Steve has a mock with us drafting both.

I have the top 3 ... Doctson, Coleman and Treadwell, all with 1st round grades.

I wouldn't use the 32 pick on
Shepard or Boyd, but they would round out my top 5.

imo ... Fuller and Thomas will go much higher then they should ... meaning some teams will have them graded higher then they merit.

Pharoh Cooper or Leonte Carroo would be on my board for the top of the 3rd if they are avalible.

Tajae Sharpe is a prospect I like with one of our 4th round selections. He will need to add some muscle to his 6'2" 194 lb frame.
This is by know means a prediction, but his game reminds me alot of a young Jerry Rice coming out of College. He runs persice routs, with great hands hands.

I'm quickly becoming SOLD on moving down to 15 tonight for Treadwell.

We lack SIZE out wide. And we're going to run the ball. Blocking.

Good post. For the most part, I agree w/your analysis of the top 3. I think Coleman might end up going first, though. Speed is valued in the NFL.

I do not like Fuller at all. LOL........seems crazy because I just talked about speed, but the guy's hands are terrible. Reminds me of Heyward-Bey when he came out.


One guy that was briefly mentioned was Tyler Boyd. He really has a large catching radius. Consistent guy. Needs to get stronger. Might be worth a shot if he is available in the 3rd.

I like Boyd too. Could be a sneaky good pick-up if he lasts to the 3rd.

I am maintaining that Mike Thomas from OSU is a first round talent. Very underutilized at OSU, in what was a very poor passing attack this season.

I don't like Fuller at all, but I think he's going to be the 1st WR drafted.

Best is Treadwell in my opinion. Doctson 2nd.

Moritz Boehringer. I think he can be one of the best with a little work.

One of the best what? That dude is one longest shots in the draft.

Coleman:

Worst body language I've seen in quite some time when the ball is not intended for him. Even for a WR that was extreme. He doesn't even try to block, fake a route etc. Not a team player, stay the hell away

Treadwell:

Best talent, but I have doubts about him as a team player.

Doctson:

Ok, but he lacks athleticism and route running. Bad combination. Don't see a day 1 starter there.

If finally came up!

http://www.wsj.com/articles/baylor-bears...iest-1447358072

Art Briles tells his receivers not to block to save their legs.

Not criticizing you assessment, but curious as to what you are using to make this statement if he was so under utilized at OSU? I am an OSU homer so I am all for drafting him because of his size and speed, but if he was under utilized how do you determine that he is a 1st round talent? Thanks.

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Yep. Good call Vers!

Just drop the mic Vers and walk off stage

One of the draft reports specifically addressed the apparent lack of effort when he was not a target ... At Baylor, that is how he is taught to play. Not a knock on Coleman. I love his angry play and it looks to me like THAT is exactly what "playing like a Brown" should be.

Bro, it's all good, you can criticize, as long as you're not feigning ignorance, you can outright tell me you think I am completely off base. I just hate when people play dumb to try and posture for some sort of idiotic "board supremacy". Even the best scouts in the world disagree on players, it happens in every single draft room. I am not offended, disagree with me, it's all good.

When I watch a guy like Josh Dotson being touted as the best WR in the class and then I look at him and look at Mike Thomas on film (albeit there is less of it for Mike) I see two very similar guys and I would argue that Thomas is a better route runner. THey are both 6'3 and Thomas is 20...20! pounds heavier.

Thomas has very good ball skills, he blocks, he will go over the middle and he runs good routes. He is one of the guys who was truly groomed properly by Urban Myer, a team first, do whatever it takes guy you can trust to do the right thing on the field and off.


He had two consecutive years of 780 yards and 9 TD's in a run heavy offense. If you pro rate his catches and targets to what Docstons are, you're looking at similar numbers.

He sounds like someone from a Harry Potter novel.

...or Lassie.