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He's a hair under 6 foot and 195. That's not exactly 5'10" midget size.

I have a feeling this pick will grow on me come game day... This kid is something special. I see a hybrid of Antonio Brown / Steve Smith...

Baylor connection in Cleveland. Lets hope Josh Gordon can get it together. WElp, nevermind.

He is definitely a dynamic player. I kinda like the pick.

we obviously wanted this kid because we had a jersey for him

nm... they make them right there lol

We finally got a playmaker. Pretty damn excited.

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 5m5 minutes ago
New #Browns WR Corey Coleman: I'm so happy, so blessed, I'm ready to roll, I know RG3 is a great QB.


Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 5m5 minutes ago
New #Browns WR Corey Coleman: I'm versatile, can play inside and outside, return kickoffs and punts.

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 4m4 minutes ago
New #Browns WR Corey Coleman: I kind of thought I'd end up with CLE when they traded back, thought they wanted WR, happy, ready to roll

Nate Ulrich ‏@NateUlrichABJ 1m1 minute ago
New #Browns WR Corey Coleman: I try to emulate Antonio Brown and Steve Smith

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 3m3 minutes ago
#Browns Coleman on if RG3 knew: 'I don't think he had any idea. He's a great player and a great person. I respect him a lot.''

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 2m2 minutes ago
#Browns Coleman knows fellow former Baylor receiver Josh Gordon: "He's a phenomenal player''

(Hopefully not too well)

Corey Coleman ‏@TheCoreyColeman 31m31 minutes ago
#DawgPound, I'm comin' for ya! Can't wait to show the Orange and Brown what I'm made of, @TideNFL #OurColors #ad

two comparisons i posted on facebook page

somewhere Ray Farmer is weeping that we took a WR before the 4th round

Chicks dig the long ball.

Love those media tweets! Awesome and insightful.

So apparently Treadwell and Doctson weren't #1 on other teams boards either. Houston took Fuller.

There were rumors that the Texans were high on Coleman so Fuller may be their fall back.

Antonio Brown, Smith SR, Beckham. Sanders, Cobb, T.Y. Hilton, Brandon Cooks, Desean Jackson, Edelman, Golden Tate, Maclin, Mike Wallace, John Brown, Pierre Garcon, Kendall Wright, are all 6 foot or under...

I think Coleman will be just fine.

I was watching NFL network and the comments were as much about how he plays the game - angry and competitive - as anything else. I mentioned him as one of the 3 WR's I'd be happy with at 15 in the draft thread ... I think Doctson was my #1 by a hair. But I will take this and the 4.38 speed and hope like heck that we have a Steve Smith.

Can't wait to see him on the team and streaking away for his first TD.

I can still dream that one of them drops to #32.

Well Treadwell is still there. Doctson goes before him.

I like that he's acknowledging the route running issue.

I like that anger/competitive fire in a player, we need some hockey player mentality on the Browns.
Truly.

I admit I am not happy with the pick I wanted the taller man in Fuller. Conflicting info, how tall is Coleman? ESPN guys said 5'10". If he is closer to 6' I really do not have that much of a gripe. Just prefer a guy who does not have to play jump ball with all the short DB's around the league.
I would have preferred the taller man who is just as fast and probably the better route runner. But maybe Coleman has better hands. Must be more of the numbers game. Hope it works out. Welcome to Cleveland Corey.

I like the idea of it as well. I'm hoping he plays like Hines Ward.

The CBS Sports scouting report has him listed at 5'11" ..... and I believe that they use the combine info.

I'm late to the thread, so it may have been talked about ... but we got a nice haul for the trade down from 8 to 15, besides getting our target at WR. Another 3rd round pick this year and a 2nd round pick next year. Browns now have 2 picks in the 1st round and 2 picks in the 2nd round for the 2017 draft.

Fuller is pretty fast too and he is a little taller then Coleman but he's not as physical as Coleman is.

What's the diff between 5-10 and 5-11 if you have a 40" vertical?

Good thing we fired 6 of the sorry scouts that help make him the top rated WR. I mean seriously what a let down. Treadwell was teh best WR in this draft hands down IMHO. Unfreaking believable!

Hmm .... Colemen's father is in prison for felony cocaine distribution .... but his godfather is former NFL player Ray Crockett. (Who is a 2 time Super Bowl Champion)

Hopefully he's received great guidance from Crockett.

One thing I see from the videos I have seen is that his feet are incredibly fast. He can chop and cut and leave a DB in the dust. Very interesting.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/playmaker-score-2016

Corey Coleman, Baylor

Playmaker Projection: 820 Yards
Playmaker Rating: 99.8%

Corey Coleman has a monster projection. As a junior, Coleman gained 1,363 receiving yards and caught an eye-popping 20 touchdowns. Because Baylor only passed the ball 389 times in 2016, Coleman scored a touchdown on 5.1 percent of Baylor's passes. That's an incredible ratio, which has only been topped by four elite college players: Randy Moss, Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, and Larry Fitzgerald. Coleman also tested out well physically, posting a position-best 40.5-inch vertical jump at the NFL combine.

Notwithstanding these numbers, there are certainly legitimate concerns regarding Coleman's ability to transition to the NFL level. Coleman played in Art Briles' run-first offense at Baylor, which saw Coleman mostly run simple go, in, and hitch patterns. In that regard, Coleman is potentially similar to Stephen Hill. Hill was highly regarded by Playmaker Score, but he was a tremendous bust.

There are reasons to believe that Coleman could succeed where Hill failed. First, Hill had relatively unimpressive aggregate statistics. Hill caught 28 passes for 820 yards and five touchdowns in his best season at Georgia Tech. However, he had great rate statistics because Georgia Tech attempted only 167 passes that year. Coleman, on the other hand, caught 74 passes for 1,363 yards and 20 touchdowns -- numbers that look good even before you adjust for team pass attempts. Moreover, Coleman's offense was run-heavy, but not to the same extreme as Hill's: Baylor passed 389 times in 2015.

Indeed, historically, wide receiver prospects from run-heavy offenses have been no less successful than those from more balanced offenses. The same offense that produced Hill also produced Demaryius Thomas, who has been quite good. Similarly, Marvin Harrison hailed from a run-heavy offense than only passed 210 times.

Another tempting comparison involves Kendall Wright, a former Baylor wide receiver and first-round pick. The comparison only goes so far, however. Wright, unlike Coleman, entered the draft as a senior, and he did not hit 1,000 yards in a season during any of his first three years. Unlike Wright, Coleman was not a one-hit wonder -- he posted strong numbers as a sophomore too -- and his touchdown numbers (which are more predictive of success than yardage totals) were much better than Wright's. Moreover, even if we could make a good comparison between Coleman and Wright, that comparison itself would not be particularly helpful given Wright's career to date. Nobody will confuse Wright with Odell Beckham Jr., but he has been far from an out-and-out bust. Wright's time in the NFL has been marred by injuries and shaky quarterback play on a bad team, and he has still managed to put up some decent receiving numbers.

The bottom line is that you could fairly argue that Coleman is the second coming of Jerry Rice, another Stephen Hill, or anything in between. There is simply no way to quantify the amount, if any, that Baylor's offense contributed to Coleman's ridiculous numbers. Although Coleman's Playmaker Projection is higher than Amari Cooper's projection last year, Coleman is certainly a much riskier prospect. That said, mid-first-round picks bust all the time, and a team in need of a wide receiver could do a lot worse than to select a player whose numbers suggest potential greatness.

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Having to time your jump early ( never a good thing) depending on the speed and height of the defender. Further to travel from the ground than the trailing guy who may be 4+ inches taller, perhaps. He better have a consistent 40"+ vertical in a game situation for all our sakes. Without blowing out hammies or getting another sports hernia.

Says you. Three NFL teams took other wide receivers over him.

well, he actually has a Vertical jump of 45.1

so... that makes up for that 4 inches LOL

http://www.thebackyardbanter.com/reception-perception-2016-nfl-draft-prospects-results.html

It was hard to imagine any prospect ever besting Amari Cooper’s insane 43 percent target-per-route rate last season. Yet, Corey Coleman checked in with an eye-popping 47.9 rate. Of course, that comes with a major caveat given the offense that he played in. If you’ve ever watched Coleman’s tape, you know that there are pass plays where he just trots down the field, and does nothing of consequence. That is not something hold against him, as it is what the Baylor receivers are coached to do. However, those plays are not charted as running a route, and therefore his route rate stats are skewed.

My readers should know my strong feelings on drops as a part of a wide receiver’s evaluation. However, this class has a ton of players that displayed drop issues in college, and it starts at the very top. Corey Coleman (8.6) and Laquon Treadwell (9.5) showed some lapses in hauling in clean catches. Will Fuller is known for his flashy speed, but his drop issues are real with a 9.1 rate. Southern Mississippi’s Michael Thomas leads the group with an 11.3 drop rate, perhaps contributing to his curious combine snub. As always, with these players and their peers, the evaluation will hang more on whether they have trump cards, or other facets of their games that make the drops worth living with. We’ll discover that in the coming sections.



Josh Doctson and Corey Coleman also cement their status as top prospects in this draft with this metric. Coleman’s 80 percent SRVC against zone illustrate a positive attribute in his scouting report that rarely gets recognized. Baylor asks their receivers to read much of the coverage to the same degree their quarterbacks do. The draft community undersells Coleman for his intelligence and timing as a player. Doctson continues to impress, finishing top-three in SRVC against man, zone and press.

Corey Coleman, Malcolm Mitchell and Keyarris Garrett charted out with route trees heavily skewed toward screens, slants, curls or nine-routes. Now, that’s not worth holding against them as prospects, considering that they all posted above average SRVC scores in prior sections. You can only scout a player based on what they were asked to do in college. All three have the athleticism to carve out high-value roles on just those limited routes in the NFL, while Mitchell and Coleman are already ahead of the game from a timing perspective.

Despite his limited route tree, Corey Coleman was the top performer on slants, and posted good scores on nine routes and curls, the patterns he ran so often. The good far outweighs the bad with Coleman, who if he hones his potential, could be one of the most dangerous receivers in the NFL.

No one should be surprised to see Corey Coleman was out “in space” than any other prospect in this class (19 percent of his routes). The uber athletic Coleman is one of the most dangerous players in the open field, and he compliments his physical gifts with a tough and aggressive mentality. Coleman broke multiple tackles at a higher rate than any other prospect.

I hope am wrong and Corey ends up being better than treadwell but I really wanted treadwell.

On the weird side if Josh makes it back RG3 will have 2 wr he is familiar with at least.

Corey Coleman never played with Griffin.

hmm then why would they say he is familiar playing with him on the broadcast? wierd.

At least we went with a potential playmaker. Needed WR help and got it. We hope.
Bet we go defence next?

FWIW, Here are PFF's instant grades on the AFCN's 1st round picks:

2016 NFL draft: Pick-by-pick grades and analysis of Round 1
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...s-of-round-1-2/

6. Baltimore Ravens: Ronnie Stanley | Grade: B-
There had been rumors about Stanley being a top-10 pick, and our No. 16 player on the PFF Draft Board goes No. 6 overall. He’s an excellent pass protector, moving smoothly and rarely getting beaten cleanly. The problem with Stanley’s game is his run blocking where he doesn’t play with great power, but Baltimore’s outside zone scheme is a good fit for his movement skills. Throughout the draft process, we expected to see Ole Miss’ Laremy Tunsil become the first tackle off the board, but various off-field issues may have dropped him lower than expected. On the field, Tunsil is a better all-around player, but Baltimore went with the safer option in Stanley. Baltimore may release current left tackle Eugene Monroe, but if he comes back, expect Stanley to start on the right where Ricky Wagner struggled last year. While Stanley is a solid player, Baltimore may regret leaving Oregon’s DeForest Buckner on the board.

15. Cleveland Browns: Corey Coleman | Grade: A
(Pick acquired in trade with Tennessee Titans)

Our top receiver is off the board as Corey Coleman goes to Cleveland. He’s dynamic both before and after the catch, capable of separating as well as any receiver in the draft and then taking it to the house after he catches it. Coleman posted a ridiculous 4.88 yards per route (best in the nation) before a poor quarterback situation hurt his production. His 10 drops are cause for some concern, but not nearly enough to offset what he brings to the table as both a short and deep threat. Even with his limited experience running a number of routes in Baylor’s offense, Coleman has all of the skills to separate on any type of route once he transitions to the NFL.

24. Cincinnati Bengals: William Jackson III | Grade: A
An excellent pick by the Bengals, we may be talking about William Jackson as the best pure cornerback in the draft a few years from now. He’s intriguing because his +17.3 coverage grade ranked second in the nation, but he still has room to improve his technique both in press coverage and in zone. Throw in his 6-foot frame, sub-4.4 speed and excellent movement skills and Jackson has all of the tools to improve on his already-impressive production. Jackson flashes the downfield ball skills to become a playmaker in both a man or zone scheme and the Bengals may have gotten one of the steals of the draft.

25. Pittsburgh Steelers: Artie Burns | Grade: D
In a mismatch of skillsets and scheme, the Steelers take Burns with the hope that they can develop his 6-foot plus frame into a dependable player. The problem here, much like the Apple pick to the Giants, is that the Steelers played more zone coverage than any team in the league last year and that’s where Burns has his struggles. His +2.8 coverage grade ranked 42nd in the draft class, and though he does show skills as a man coverage cornerback, but his overall game remains raw. If Pittsburgh plans on altering their scheme to play more man coverage, this pick makes more sense, but at this point, it’s an example of a cornerback’s size and speed moving him up a draft board at the expense of his on-field play.

The other receivers drafted carried the following picks:

21. Houston Texans: Will Fuller | Grade: C
(Pick acquired in trade with Washington Redskins)

The Texans go with the best speed receiver in the draft in Will Fuller to add a weapon for QB Brock Osweiler and complement the overall game of DeAndre Hopkins on the other side. Fuller’s 4.32 speed shows up on tape as he constantly gets behind the defense, and he has a second gear that few receivers possess. He’s also good at running the vertical route tree (curls, comebacks), but he doesn’t have the well-rounded game of the other receivers in this draft. Throw in his questionable hands (116th and 113th in drop rate the last two years) and there’s a lot of boom-or-bust to Fuller’s game, which is why we listed him as a buyer beware prospect. Still, his 707 yards on deep passes (third in nation) were too much to pass up for Houston and they’ll use him to stretch the field opposite Hopkins.

22. Washington Redskins: Josh Doctson | Grade: A
(Pick acquired in trade with Houston Texans)

After moving back a spot, Washington gets one of the draft’s best receivers in Doctson, whose +28.9 receiving grade led the nation in 2015. Doctson has incredible body control, making downfield catches over defenders with regularity and separating well in the intermediate game. TCU quarterbacks had a passer rating of 149.2 when targeting Doctson last year — the best in the nation — and he ranked third in the country with 17 catches on deep passes (20+ yards in air). His ball skills will give him a chance to become the most productive deep threat in the draft, even better than the faster Fuller. Doctson’s catch radius will make Redskins QB Kirk Cousins look even better and he adds yet another dimension to an already well-rounded passing game.

23. Minnesota Vikings: Laquon Treadwell | Grade: C+
Receivers are flying off the board as the Vikings add a physical outside presence in Treadwell. He’s a solid late-round pick (+19.8 receiving grade ranked 13th in the draft class), capable of winning in the short game (slants) and adding a red-zone presence with his size. The problem with Treadwell is creating separation at the intermediate and deep level, right where offensive coordinator Norv Turner is trying to get the ball. In addition to not separating well, his pairing with QB Teddy Bridgewater is not ideal as Bridgewater is hesitant to throw into tight windows and that marriage may not play to Treadwell’s skillset.

Even when playing in the contested game, Treadwell is not as exceptional as scouting reports may indicate. Overall, he’s a solid possession receiver, but the pairing with the Vikings and Bridgewater may not be a good one unless the offense turns to a more quick-hitting passing game that takes advantage of both Bridgewater and Treadwell’s skillsets.

J/C

He's a slippery one!