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We parlayed the #2 pick which would have *probably* been Wentz - into a whole bunch of picks. Of which we only know one selection - Coleman. Just like EVERY selection, Coleman was liked and loathed by equal measure. Coleman was a top WR on some scouts boards, and he was the top WR on the Browns board (obviously) ... personally I think it ties directly into Vars 'impact vs guys' concept article. WR was a position of need, and Coleman has dynamic impact ability. I love the speed, the attitude and desire. 5'11" - 40" vertical ... I don't see him like as a 'smurf' as so many seem to have latched onto.... anyway .... off topic, because I simply wanted to look at what we have instead of Wentz:
We Gave Up Pick 2 and pick 176.
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As ever - it depends on who we pick with these selections. If we crap out everywhere then it's bad.
But - based on 'value' or whatever else you want to call it - I'd say its a heck of a lot in return for not picking Wentz.
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IF Coleman turns out to be an above average WR ... and Wentz turns out to be a below average QB (which I expect) ... I'd trade one for the other straight up lol
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We have a lot of picks. Too early to say if it was a good move or not.
If Wentz studs out and we get a bunch of guys, then we lose and people will be fired.
If Wentz is just okay and we get several good players, the Eagles lose and Howie Roseman will get fired.
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Drop the Wentz thing he is gone, the Browns did not want him and neither did I ... 
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It's also possible that Wentz studs out and we get several good players, even 1 or 2 impact players, and both teams win. Again, too early to tell, but Wentz studding out doesn't automatically make the trade(s) bad.
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I just hope Wentz and the Eagles have a bad year next season. After that. I don't care how he does.
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I just hope Wentz and the Eagles have a bad year next season. After that. I don't care how he does. 
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It would if the Browns still need a qb in a few years.
Again, I like the trade..........but, it's too early to say who won and who lost.
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Of course a big key is our FA acquisition of RG3 who is still young. I think Wentz will eventually succeed in the NFL. He could be ruined if brought in too soon and not having the tools around him and an OL to protect him. But odds are he will make it.
We are building a team and I guess this was the plan.
Evidently we were targeting Coleman as our #1 playmaker on the O which many hear said we desperately needed.
I thought the deal with the Titans was amazing and was shocked at who they picked. Thought for sure it was Tunsil...OT was a strength of this draft and 7 OL taken in the first.
We got 32...then our Bonanza comes into play. 3 3rd round picks, 3 4th rounders & 3 5th rounders. Making a total of 7 top 100 picks in a deep draft. And next year we have an extra 1 and 2 round picks!
So far so good! Who knows we might get our developing QB at #32?
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Double downed on RG3. I sure hope these analytic guys know what they are doing. They better have gotten this pick right. Next target Cook?
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We parlayed the #2 pick which would have *probably* been Wentz - into a whole bunch of picks. Of which we only know one selection - Coleman. Just like EVERY selection, Coleman was liked and loathed by equal measure. Coleman was a top WR on some scouts boards, and he was the top WR on the Browns board (obviously) ... personally I think it ties directly into Vars 'impact vs guys' concept article. WR was a position of need, and Coleman has dynamic impact ability. I love the speed, the attitude and desire. 5'11" - 40" vertical ... I don't see him like as a 'smurf' as so many seem to have latched onto.... anyway .... off topic, because I simply wanted to look at what we have instead of Wentz:
We Gave Up Pick 2 and pick 176.
We got:
2016:
15 - Coleman.
76, 77, 100,
2017:
1st round pick
2nd round pick
2018:
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As ever - it depends on who we pick with these selections. If we crap out everywhere then it's bad.
But - based on 'value' or whatever else you want to call it - I'd say its a heck of a lot in return for not picking Wentz. I disagree with "it probably would have been Wentz" If they wanted Wentz, they'd have stayed put. I think what it says is, the didn't want Wentz.
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Drop the Wentz thing he is gone, the Browns did not want him and neither did I ... It won't be dropped for 3 or 4 years when the jury is in on Wentz.. any time you don't have a QB and pass on one of the top QBs in the draft, it will be a topic of discussion for a long time.. might as well get used to it.
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DC - I think your right, that will be the comparison for a few years. Hopefully we'll be happy. Pastor ... I don't think the Wentz thing will be dropped anytime soon, fair or unfair, Wentz will be something of a barometer.
Daman - I agree we might not / probably would not have taken Wentz ... my point was intended to be that Wentz will be the guy many/most will look at as a direct comparison to who we 'could of' had.
W84 - I nearly wrote that it's entirely possible this is a win-win trade. I like Coleman and I see a lot of players I would be happy with on the board.
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Just remember it could be a WIN WIN position which is what a good trade is suppose to do.
We might have lucked into a young RG3, which would be very key if we got our Franchise QB...looks to be the best chance for it that we had since 99.
We have an amazing PLAY MAKER in Coleman and 6 more picks in the top 100! Lets make a good foundation. Next year...2 first round picks and 2 2nd round picks. They definitely have a PLAN I think we finally made the right choice in this new Organization structure!
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i've been wondering if we really have our QB targeted for next year. as desperate as we are and have always been for one even with rg3 we could have still drafted one at two.
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If anyone has the time and desire to undertake a little project, it might be interesting to compare what Tennessee got to move from #1 overall to #15 overall to what Cleveland got to move from #2 to #15. Realizing some of the picks may be listed for both teams.
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I actually think Hue has faith in RG3 .... we'll see.
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There's no guarantee we missed out on anything, and it's hard to think Hue didn't have sway in deciding to pass on a Qb, factoring he's the "Qb whisper" and etc.
Well see and likely soon, as I bet he'll be asked to play.
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i think he would be correct in doing so if not for the injury. the baggage that has been reported can be overcome but maybe not the injury. unless he wants to give him a test run for a year. but if that doesn't work we're at square one again.
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So what did we Get for passing on Wentz?
The Browns still have not drafted a franchise QB and if RG3 doesn't fill that need..the Browns could end up giving up some of the draft stock they have accumulated to move up in a future draft to seleck their franchise QB...just like the Eagles and Rams did this year.
If RG3 does not work out, at some point, the Browns will need to fill their need at QB.
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So what did we Get for passing on Wentz?
The Browns still have not drafted a franchise QB and if RG3 doesn't fill that need..the Browns could end up giving up some of the draft stock they have accumulated to move up in a future draft to seleck their franchise QB...just like the Eagles and Rams did this year.
If RG3 does not work out, at some point, the Browns will need to fill their need at QB. Really ???? Wentz and Goff are already Franchise QB's?? I'd say that is a misrepresentation. . . . I also think have a 1st round pick and second round pick in 2017 and calling that "as well as picks in 2017" a bit of an understatement. Of course it'll take years to work out.
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the Browns could end up giving up some of the draft stock they have accumulated to move up in a future draft to seleck their franchise QB...just like the Eagles and Rams did this year.
isn't that the whole idea of accumulating the picks? that way you can pick the player YOU want and not have to take what's left.
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Really ???? Wentz and Goff are already Franchise QB's?? I'd say that is a misrepresentation. .
What did I say in my post that was not factual and true?
Now you might have a hard time with reading comprehension or simple misread what I posted...or maybe you just have an agenda...I don't care what your problem might be, but what I said is 100% correct...if the Browns have not found their franchise QB with RG3, they still will continue to have a need for a franchise QB.
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mg88...where did I say that? Sorry, mac, but that was implied in your post...
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j/c... Old pal Joe Banner weighing in... Joe Banner Verified account @JoeBanner13 Browns completely dominate first round, and the "football guys" and pundits don't seem to have even noticed. Tweet
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the Browns could end up giving up some of the draft stock they have accumulated to move up in a future draft to seleck their franchise QB...just like the Eagles and Rams did this year.
isn't that the whole idea of accumulating the picks? that way you can pick the player YOU want and not have to take what's left.
Well, I was simply pointing out that if RG3 does not fill our QB needs, some of the picks accumulated in these trades might be needed to move up to get a QB the Browns believe will fill their needs.
Depending on how things work out in the next year or so, our front office might find themselves going full circle, spending some of the draft picks gained via these trades to move up in a future draft to select their franchise QB.
I believe our front office wants to see if Hue can develop RG3 or a lesser talented QB, possibly found later in this draft (maybe someone like Dak Prescott) rather than spending a high first round pick on a QB.
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I respect Banner for calling it like he sees it, even when that includes praise for the organization that fired him. I think we would have been in good hands with him long-term.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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j/c... Old pal Joe Banner weighing in... Joe Banner Verified account @JoeBanner13 Browns completely dominate first round, and the "football guys" and pundits don't seem to have even noticed. Tweet
Maybe Banner doesn't realize that Hue is in the Browns draft room...
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If anyone has the time and desire to undertake a little project, it might be interesting to compare what Tennessee got to move from #1 overall to #15 overall to what Cleveland got to move from #2 to #15. Realizing some of the picks may be listed for both teams.
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With the expected compensatory picks, Cleveland is getting close to the equivalent of 2 drafts next year.
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With the expected compensatory picks, Cleveland is getting close to the equivalent of 2 drafts next year. And we will definitely add more future picks today and tomorrow.
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If anyone has the time and desire to undertake a little project, it might be interesting to compare what Tennessee got to move from #1 overall to #15 overall to what Cleveland got to move from #2 to #15. Realizing some of the picks may be listed for both teams. I do think that the Browns did a better job. On their "net" chart, they should have had the Titans also losing a 3rd rounder this year, and a 2nd next year, in the "net assets lost" section.
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