You would think as big as this was, somebody would have known some thing was going down, but it's like all the victims didn't have a clue. I think someone else touched on this already, but it could be that the some one is still alive and suffering because they didn't heed the warning.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180 You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow #GMSTRONG
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For those of you not familiar with the movie No Country For Old Man. It’s about a mexican drug cartel seeking to retrieve a suitcase full of drug money and killing everyone who gets in their way.
It doesn't look like the dogs were killed, but the article isn't clear as to what happened to them:
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...Dana was the third of his four children. His youngest, Bobby Jo Manley, found her sister dead when she went to feed the family’s dogs and chickens around 7 a.m. Friday. Bobby Jo, who stood by her father during much of the interview, is having the toughest time with the deaths: “She don’t sleep, she don’t eat. She’s pretty busted up,” he said.
According to Leonard Manley, when Bobby Jo showed up last Friday morning, the front door was locked and the dogs were nowhere to be found. There were at least two pit bulls and a “wolf-dog” and “coon dogs” that lived with his family members. Manley questioned why the killer or killers didn’t shoot the dogs, which he described as fierce.
“Why wouldn’t they do that?” Leonard Manley said. “Somebody had to know them dogs.”...
Sounds to me like an inside job. Dogs were not a problem. Shooters knew their way around. Victims don't seem to have been startled by strangers coming in.
Now, I'm trying to figure out what might have led to something like this. It's so grisly and 'personal.'
Internal power struggle?
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This is the kind of news item that just makes me shake my head. I look at my life, the lives of my friends & family... and wonder how someone else could be so far removed from what I consider 'normal' or 'healthy.'
Human beings never cease to amaze me. The things we do (both good and evil) seem to know no bounds...
Now, I'm trying to figure out what might have led to something like this. It's so grisly and 'personal.'
Internal power struggle?
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This is the kind of news item that just makes me shake my head. I look at my life, the lives of my friends & family... and wonder how someone else could be so far removed from what I consider 'normal' or 'healthy.'
Human beings never cease to amaze me. The things we do (both good and evil) seem to know no bounds...
[shrugs]
Money, Power, Drugs, Intrigue, all involved here.
Have you ever noticed in this world where the craziest, wackiest weirdest things people do to each other usually involves the "Mind of a Drug Addict"? They don't think like the rest of us. They have twisted minds. They are the Zombies we fear. And I ain't talking weed.
Sounds to me like an inside job. Dogs were not a problem. Shooters knew their way around. Victims don't seem to have been startled by strangers coming in.
Maybe the one family member who is reported to have survived, (or, at least was not home, and killed with the rest) did so for a reason? (as long as we're into conspiracy theories)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I find it funny how me and CHS came with actual arguments, eve started talking trash and trolling, and then captain save her came out of nowhere like she was somehow the victim.
This board is a trip.
Or maybe you are. Are you familiar with a common denominator??
yup, remember the good old days before every thread was an argument?
Or at least it wasn't the same person turning every thread into an argument
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I realize the police haven't really released a lot of information on this, but if it was an inside job wouldn't someone be saying "Well, it's really weird that so-and-so skipped town right after." or "I know I saw that same van in the area around the time of the killings." Whoever did it had to move very stealth-like. In a small community like this, there had to be a plan in place for quite some time.
Throw me in the boat of an inside job. Everything that I've gathered, and I'm sure more is to come, suggest that. Reasons others have stated, knew their way around, no issues with the dogs labeled as "fierce" and etc.
I can totally see how everyone is stating that it could be an inside job. But, what I find curious is why no potential suspect names have been identified.
I can totally see how everyone is stating that it could be an inside job. But, what I find curious is why no potential suspect names have been identified.
Just because we haven't heard names does not necessarily mean the cops don't have those names.
What I find weird is none of the victims had a record, you would think anybody involved with this much dope would have some kind of record with the police.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180 You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow #GMSTRONG
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My thought is that this family had something to do with the Mexican Cartel grow up getting busted back in 2012. Maybe they didn't know about the Cartel connection and snitched to the Police about it to get rid of the competition and the Cartel finally found out who it was that ratted them out and this was payback.
Throw me in the boat of an inside job. Everything that I've gathered, and I'm sure more is to come, suggest that. Reasons others have stated, knew their way around, no issues with the dogs labeled as "fierce" and etc.
It's interesting how a well-timed piece of meat will befriend a dog.
That's just it. Dogs will bark and carry on until they do get the meat. I think these dogs knew the perps, at least enough that they didn't bark. Who knows, maybe they did bark and no one was around to hear them? Maybe they rushed in and had at it before anyone knew what was going on.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180 You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow #GMSTRONG
I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.”
That's just it. Dogs will bark and carry on until they do get the meat. I think these dogs knew the perps, at least enough that they didn't bark. Who knows, maybe they did bark and no one was around to hear them? Maybe they rushed in and had at it before anyone knew what was going on.
You do have a point in that dogs will bark, etc. Unless the person showing up is known to them.
My dog is the same. He knows our schedule, and I guarantee, he doesn't do jack squat as long as things are happening that seem "normal" to him. Example: If I walk out 1 door, but come in a different door, he's barking like crazy. If I come in the same door I exited, he doesn't even lift his head.
Yeah, it's looking more like these people knew one another. They have not come out with a time line, such as who was shot first or what order they think this went in. Maybe they won't. Still no word on what happened to the dogs and I think the only reason we heard about the dogs was because of the brother of one of the women that got killed. I know they keep somethings back from the press, just wish we had a little more to go on.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180 You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow #GMSTRONG
I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.”
The prison I work in, there is a family member that said it was about meth and the mexican mafia. Take it for what's its worth, he does have the same family name (Rhoden), and his bond card says Pike County, so there probably is a little truth there.
The prison I work in, there is a family member that said it was about meth and the mexican mafia. Take it for what's its worth, he does have the same family name (Rhoden), and his bond card says Pike County, so there probably is a little truth there.
Inside the slammer information from Frenchy! DawgTalkers is better than ABC, NBC and CBS combined! Too cool!
Throw me in the boat of an inside job. Everything that I've gathered, and I'm sure more is to come, suggest that. Reasons others have stated, knew their way around, no issues with the dogs labeled as "fierce" and etc.
It's interesting how a well-timed piece of meat will befriend a dog.
My dog ignores food given to him by people he doesn't know. It will sit on the floor till I pick it up and give it to him.
He doesn't trust many people.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
J/c. I don't like the Mexican Mafia angle in this because it's just bad business . I get that it does send a message but the cost of that message is too high or at least I would think it would be . Sure you take care of business but the heat that something this high profile brings down outweighs the benefits . There is a reason that wholesale slaughter of this magnitude doesn't happen on American soil when concerning organized crime like in other countries especially in the heartland .
Much easier to make an example out of one family member and still have your supply chain intact . You accomplish the same thing and minimize the backlash . In the end it will be something much simpler and personal .
I think it’s unlikely the victims knew any of the shooters.
Professional hitmen are not going to risk getting caught and going to jail for life without the possibility of parole.
Certainly not in the act.
There must have been a lot of money involved. (or the threat of “Mr. Big” being identified)
They must have very nonchalantly and unnoticeably scoped out the four locations before planning the executions. Probably in a nondescript car/truck. They probably were well aware of where law enforcement agents would be at the time of the executions.
Somehow, they must have known for certain exactly how many adults would be at each location. (They’d only be a cell phone call away from prison - and once the cops knew, there’s nowhere to hide in Piketon. They had to be certain that anyone hearing gunshots died)
"They execute them in the back of the head with one shot."
Yes, under ideal circumstances.
And assuming one of the objectives is not to "send a grisly message". (for example the St. Valentine's Day massacre - those execution-style victims were shot to bits)
I'm gonna give you to the count of 10, to get your ugly, yella, no-good keister off my property, before I pump your guts full of lead! All right, Johnny, I'm sorry. I'm goin'! 1... 2... 10!
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i would say, and this is just using a cops and justice system perspective, any crimes committed by someone while under the influence of a drug, or over drugs.
so like if this was about weed, that would be a violent drug offense.
getting caught selling weed isn't a violent offense, however. see where i'm coming from?
or like those dudes high or meth or bath salts or whatever who was eating peoples faces. id say thats pretty violent offense.
but don't yall have a policy or regulation in the force that covers that?
Yeah man, I do see (through the smoke and haze) where you are coming from lol. And you make perfectly good sense.
I think the closest I can equate what you're proposing in current law would be what are known as aggravating factors, things that make your offense worse. For example:
-Joe takes the old lady's purse from her cart.
-Joe punches the old lady in the face and takes her purse.
-Joe pulls a knife on the old lady and threatens to gut her like a fish. Then he takes her purse.
-Joe shoots the old lady in the face, then takes her purse.
Each one of those examples are in essence the same crime, theft, but the factors beyond just taking the purse change the class and seriousness of what Joe did.
Hmmm... but using the fact that someone is under the influence of drugs when they commit a crime as an aggravating factor? It's an interesting concept and I think worthy of serious consideration.
I guess on the face of it one of the challenges is how do I as a cop prove that they were F'ed up at the time? I personally have enough street experience to know when someone is screwed up on alcohol, weed, heroin, or crack. Based on my training and experiences, I can testify to my observations, but I'm not a Drug recognition Expert (DRE) so I can't testify to the FACT that they are screwed up on any of that. I would need something like blood test results in order to do that.
Right now there really aren't that many types of crimes that blood draws are relevant to the investigation. The most notable and common would be DWI investigations, and that usually comes in to play when a person refuses to blow in to a breathalyzer. Next would be in major crash investigations, ones that result in death or life altering injuries (at least my department does). When those kinds of results occur, usually there are some pretty extreme circumstances involved that most search warrants for blood are granted. Plus, given those injuries, many times the people involved aren't coherent or conscious enough to consent in the first place. Beyond that, I think whenever we have a lethal self defense situation, a search warrant for blood may be sought. In those cases determining what kind of substance someone is under the influence of is directly related to what they are being investigated for: someone's ability to safely operate a car, a person's ability to recognize and react in a reasonable manner to a threat appropriately.
In the case of a tweaker breaking in to a house? Proving they are on meth I don't think changes the fact that they broke in to the house. The dude on bath salts eating the other dude's face... I think it's enough that he was eating the dude's face lol.
But recognize the fact that drawing someone's blood is considered very invasive. I'm not sure the Courts would be willing to expand the justifications for such a thing.
Like I said, I think it is definitely worth considering and having a serious discussion about. I think you do a nice job of still recognizing that there is at least in some part an amount of crime associated with the harder drug use.
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