His center was injured a lot of the season, and as we saw with Mack that can affect a QB/Offense. He also had the midyear coaching change with the weird Sarkisian situation. He also had young receivers who were/are still more athletes than polished pass catchers/route runners.
He took more deep shots in 2014 and the ball seems to jump off his hand better. Placement seems better as well.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
well, don't go holding your breath expecting to see anything of this kid soon.
I wouldn't plan to have any expectations of him performing before the 2018 season. He definitely was not drafted for the 2016 season, and almost definitely not 2017, either.... so develop some patience.
In the mean time, how many other peotential QB's will we pass up waiting to see if this kid is the one?
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Now we must wait to see if Kessler can become the Browns future starter.
Why does he have to be a future starter?
Because our head coach put his name on the line. He said "trust me" this young man is IT. THE QB I HAD to have. So trust is earned. Had he been luke warm that would be one thing. Hue Jackson was like Tom Cruise on Oprah jumping up and down on the coach over Katie Holms.
You bastardized his words a bit. He didn't say this man is IT. Or the QB I HAD TO HAVE. At least I don't recall him saying that. I do recall him saying 'trust me'. That was in regards to him being selected earlier than many people thought....not being the answer as our future starting QB.
I don't think any HC is putting his job on the line simply by drafting a 3rd round QB. It does however, if proven to be a complete dud, questions his ability to judge QB talent.
Tom Cruise jumping up and down?....c'mon, get real.
With all the holes this team has, why are we drafting backups?
On the plus side, I read this kid had 5 coaches in 3 years, so he should be right at home here.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Now we must wait to see if Kessler can become the Browns future starter.
Why does he have to be a future starter?
memp...what kind of question is that?
If the new guys are simply wasting draft picks on players they do not expect to become starters, this franchise is deep trouble.
Yeah, I don't get this theory that we're drafting a backup at this stage. We have a lot of needs, and we already have 3 backups on the roster, 2 of which are serviceable.
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Now we must wait to see if Kessler can become the Browns future starter.
Why does he have to be a future starter?
memp...what kind of question is that?
If the new guys are simply wasting draft picks on players they do not expect to become starters, this franchise is deep trouble.
Yeah, I don't get this theory that we're drafting a backup at this stage. We have a lot of needs, and we already have 3 backups on the roster, 2 of which are serviceable.
jfan...debating this isn't worth my time. No team drafts a guy not expecting him to start for them at some point...most understand that.
just read the first two pages and I'm going to have my say like all have had.
My Goodness. I think all should have an opinion but for the MANY who actually think they NO MORE and BETTER than Hue Jackson are amazing. One guy wanted us to use the pick to package it for a WR.
One poster complains about us moving back to make the pick...which really confused me...why it wasn't a move up it was a move back.
We got our guy with our THIRD pick of the round and picked up a 4th and 5th (what was that an exchange...I missed us giving a pick)
I would advise all before they make fools of themselves to watch the Presser with Hue talking about the pick. He goes into some specifics. Thinking back it was why even I was not sure about Cook (accuracy) - Hue came right out when asked what is the Most important virtue in a QB for you...no hesitation. ACCURACY! hey I'm all for that. Cause he's correct and I've always stated that...Accuracy and it doesn't have to be statistically its what he has seen on film as well as good decision making.
Not the greatest arm. But not a SHAW arm either good enough for the NFL.
Hey it was our 5th pick in the draft. FIFTH! People give up a 2nd rounder for a good backup. Another note, according to Hue he was in 4 systems in College. That is never easy.
I read quotes from this supposed expert...Oh he was a UDFA on my board...ummm who cares as if you make real picks.
All I know is he is a Brown...I know this: he will be better than Hoyer and better than Manziel.
Look we like his prospects but are not putting all our eggs in his basket. Ya think the Pats are putting all their eggs in the Bisset (sp) basket? No...as long as Brady is still going they will lose Garapolo probably trade him before he becomes a FA...and Bisset is the next back up flavor.
I read...first bad pick...smh He Sucks! lol
Yeah everyone is correct cause their charts from some site state Kessler is like a 200 prospect...well it also states Cook is a 40th prospect...So that must mean all are dummies for NOT TAKING HIM I guess...lol
Well done for now will go see the 4th round of the draft.
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You are damn right we are going to have to trust you on this one!
You and PEP's honeymoon period is now officially on the clock.
We sat there through the entire second round, with a boatload of 3rd and 4th round picks in our pocket, with one elite first round grade talent after another available, that could have been tremendous for our team, all available for the picking, and didn't move up to snatch one. All to wait and throw a third at a player who lacks an NFL skill-set.
Trust is the only card you can play on this one. Unless, of course, one of these creepo's can play a "question Hue and your a racist" card. Robinson, Reed, Ragland, Bell, Spriggs, Jack, Henry, Henry, etc.... and instead we take Kessler and a player who has a recent case of a potential fatal illness. Yea Hue, trust is the only card you can play on this one.
With every snap Wentz takes, you and PEP will be on the clock.
Kessler has some serious limitations. Limited Arm, below avg height, Slow feet and poor footwork in the pocket, and you don't see him show advanced technique like making advanced reads, or manipulating safeties like Connor Cook. This pick makes no sense at all and even if you are desperate for a QB, there is no way that they can justify picking Kessler when Cook was still on the board.
New Management. Same ol' Browns.
I will check back in at the next draft to see if they decide to start being a serious NFL Franchise. Otherwise, this remains a waste of everyone's time and money.
Now we must wait to see if Kessler can become the Browns future starter.
Why does he have to be a future starter?
memp...what kind of question is that?
If the new guys are simply wasting draft picks on players they do not expect to become starters, this franchise is deep trouble.
I think it's a legitimate question.
I think many feel, unless RG3 goes back to his 2012 days, that this team will be picking rather early next year. Thus, in a position to take a QB. If RG3 does show up, there is no point, or draft position, to draft one. Either way, Kessler possibly doesn't become relevant in the future starter discussion.
This FO, or any FO for that matter, isn't drafting player ONLY to be starters. We all know that...or at least I thought so.
I'm not saying I like this pick, it 's just that we're talking about a late third round pick. Again, I don't know why he has to be a starter and not a depth pick like any other position player that could be drafted at this spot.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Kessler has some serious limitations. Limited Arm, below avg height, Slow feet and poor footwork in the pocket, and you don't see him show advanced technique like making advanced reads, or manipulating safeties like Connor Cook. This pick makes no sense at all and even if you are desperate for a QB, there is no way that they can justify picking Kessler when Cook was still on the board.
New Management. Same ol' Browns.
I will check back in at the next draft to see if they decide to start being a serious NFL Franchise. Otherwise, this remains a waste of everyone's time and money.
I see people understanding what a poor pick this was and then as the thread goes on convincing themselves it's better than it actually is. Drafting someone this early in the draft that you could have gotten much later isn't good nor smart.
But you guys just keep convincing yourself otherwise.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I see people understanding what a poor pick this was and then as the thread goes on convincing themselves it's better than it actually is. Drafting someone this early in the draft that you could have gotten much later isn't good nor smart.
But you guys just keep convincing yourself otherwise.
Pit- Brady went in the 6th, would he have been a bad pick in the 3rd?
If the player is good, the pick is good.
(I think the problem here is that most people don't think Kessler is any good. He can be a capable backup QB, which is pretty good value in the late third round.)
I see people understanding what a poor pick this was and then as the thread goes on convincing themselves it's better than it actually is. Drafting someone this early in the draft that you could have gotten much later isn't good nor smart.
But you guys just keep convincing yourself otherwise.
I see people assuming it was a poor pick because Kessler wasn't on the list of QBs assumed to be drafted at that time based on media reports and analysts. I lean on those reports than my own opinions, but it isn't set in stone.
I don't devote time to scouting players, although I wish had time to do that, but I won't say it was a good or bad pick. I don't know enough.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Speaking only for myself, I did not like the pick ..... but we hired Hue Jackson, in part, for his ability to develop QBs .... and he liked this kid, so I am going to trust him .... even as I wish we would have gone elsewhere.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Don't approach the post logically. How a about a pick, coupled with another one that would have gotten us Miles Jack. Reggie Ragland. Robinson, etc....
You've been around the hijack trolls too long.
Your the west coast expert. Im not. I've lived on the West Coast for 5 decades. I've been a follower of SC for at least that amount of time. My teammate played for them. I'm familiar with Kessler dating back to his recruitment in High School. But, I will not call on you to approach my point about passing on dynamic first round talent in order to throw our picks at Kessler and another guy we could have easily gotten later with a remaining pick.
That wouldn't be consistent with the current "feelings based" agenda of the dawgatalker board hierarchy.
Now we must wait to see if Kessler can become the Browns future starter.
Why does he have to be a future starter?
memp...what kind of question is that?
If the new guys are simply wasting draft picks on players they do not expect to become starters, this franchise is deep trouble.
I think it's a legitimate question.
I think many feel, unless RG3 goes back to his 2012 days, that this team will be picking rather early next year. Thus, in a position to take a QB. If RG3 does show up, there is no point, or draft position, to draft one. Either way, Kessler possibly doesn't become relevant in the future starter discussion.
This FO, or any FO for that matter, isn't drafting player ONLY to be starters. We all know that...or at least I thought so.
I'm not saying I like this pick, it 's just that we're talking about a late third round pick. Again, I don't know why he has to be a starter and not a depth pick like any other position player that could be drafted at this spot.
Because there are so many holes that need to be filled before we should be drafting a backup qb.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
Kid doesnt have a noodle arm probably about what you have in Austin. At times he looked really good but then he would get in a funk and had trouble getting out of it. I dont like the pick but he has a chance to sit and learn and grow. We will see. I hope we are wrong on this one.
None. He's a low 3rd round pick.....backup area. I also like how people bag on the McCoy pick. Colt has had a pretty decent career as a solid backup that has done well when called upon. He was a 3rd round pick as well.....lived up to expectations. We are QB starved so we want every kid to be "the guy." The Pats and Seahawks didn't draft Brady or Wilson to be the guy.....they were drafted as developmental backup guys, and they got lucky.
Now I hate the pick (haha) not because I think we passed on "the guy" but because we could have drafted another potential starter at 93. I like him better than a guy like Cook though who has no real skills to grow with....Kessler is at least accurate. I just wish we would have waited because I think he's there in the 4th.
Against logic,the most effective armor is willful ignorance.
It is only the fact that I do trust Hue Jackson that prevented me from throwing things at the TV when that pick was made.
It's not a player I would have taken, especially not that early, but I do really like and respect Hue as a coach, so I will accept that, and hope that he is right.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
None. He's a low 3rd round pick.....backup area. I also like how people bag on the McCoy pick. Colt has had a pretty decent career as a solid backup that has done well when called upon. He was a 3rd round pick as well.....lived up to expectations. We are QB starved so we want every kid to be "the guy." The Pats and Seahawks didn't draft Brady or Wilson to be the guy.....they were drafted as developmental backup guys, and they got lucky.
Now I hate the pick (haha) not because I think we passed on "the guy" but because we could have drafted another potential starter at 93. I like him better than a guy like Cook though who has no real skills to grow with....Kessler is at least accurate. I just wish we would have waited because I think he's there in the 4th.
This is the most solid argument on here about picking Kessler at this spot. Right here, read it!
I guess the disconnect defies analytics for me. We draft some speed and size at wideouts, and I presume that is to stretch defenses, take the top off, and go deep. But if we are calling long-field routes, why a short armed QB.
We have had this problem for years. Draft a guy and not use what he is strongest doing. Hue must be believing in YAC, that he can deliver the ball and let receivers tear it up. I still prefer the deep ball shots. But if Hue wants, Hue gets at least some of it.
I need to see it.
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I was worried Hue was going to draft Dak Presscot or Cardale. Now I wish he had.
Do you realize the pick after Kessler was Nick Vannett? A TE that was supposed to be a big need. We took Kessler at pick 93 and I guess Hue didn't think he would be there at 99 or 100 which we also had.
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