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exactly. we can get the quick run down online anytime with no commercials. then when they do show film, it's for two seconds of the pick then 10 seconds of some pro they compare him to. Ridiculous!

2 picks i loved was kindred and Coleman from auburn. rest meh will wait and see but noone should be complaining over kindred, he can play and he can hit.

Ha. You be me to it. Well played.

Alright Mourg, I think those guys are done feeding and it's safe to post again.............tell me why you like Kindred so much. I will then tell you why I am not that high on him. Maybe we can have a true discussion.

Too short to play FS?

I like him cause he keeps his eyes up and reacts exceptionally well. they told him u fractured your cllarbone and will miss the season, he says no I am playing this week. He never used any excuses he showed up he made tackles and he played his ass off. He hits like a truck has ok coverage skills although he makes impactful plays. Jarring the ball lose, tipping the ball that gets picked, making the huge stop on 3rd down.

I saw his coaches get teary discussing his play after their bowl game. Special kid.

Yea I see him as more of your in the box type of safety. I dont see the range to play deep. Horton likes to keep his safeties playing forward and that should suit his skillset.

Thanks. Here is my take:

I agree w/you on some things. He is tough. He is a hard hitter. Good straight line speed. Sticks his head in there on run support.

My issues w/him are that his speed is straight line speed. I think he lacks lateral quickness. Poor hips. Gets juked out easily in the open field. Takes some bad angles in space. Poor ball skills.

I see him as a Special Teams guy. Maybe some dime.

Disagreements ( ) on a thread about a third day pick is simply...dumb. Really?

Few safeties have good hips anymore and all of those are over the top free range safeties, that can come up and press and then roam over the top.

Just isnt his skill set but u get him going forward or slipping into a soft zone and he can be very impactful.

Really wasnt any out of the box safeties to be had in this draft. Hell I thought the corners were all drafted several rounds to early.

I'm okay w/us disagreeing.

We'll see how it goes.

I enjoy our football discussions/disagreemetns lol no fistfights lately lol

I wasnt high on this DB class at all but I did like Kindred a great deal and I am intrigued by Caldwell but this was a really weak DB class imho. I wouldnt have taken a DB outside of Ramsey in the first round and I thought he was the free range safety we were talking about earlier. I know that is one reason why u were even more ticked off that we let Gipson go. Hard to find that guy.

I thought there were some good corners in the draft.

Earlier today on the Who Do You Want in the Fourth Round, I wrote this:



Do you know who drafted him? Also, have you ever watched him play? Thoughts?

Kindred plays alot like a former safety we had that just won a superbowl, not great at coverage but a box tackler with huge impact.

Killer safeties are a huge plus IMO. Football can be like baseball by way of comparison. First you must be strong down the middle. We were not, but our outside edge was weaker, so we got owned there, especially with the stupid flat scheme making injuries even more ugly.

Playing through a collarbone is amazing to me. This is a hardcore keeper that can help us. Seems like a solid pick.

Good points about the knocks from the past. We weren't fast enough, didn't tackle well enough, and just got pushed around. Need some bad-bad thumpers. Maybe we found some today. Know it is wait and see, but we will be faster. Steps in the right direction.

I like him too ... I don't think he has been drafted yet or zam I mistaken?

Not drafted yet? Really? I gotta go check.

I don't think he has been. PFF gave him the 3rd highest coverage grade in the country. Confounding.

I cannot really remember ... does Horton play a true SS/FS, or more of a right/left Safety?

Reed kinda reminded me of Buster. One of few corners that i saw that wanted to come up and kill the ball carrier. Very good speed thought he would make a better safety than corner though. Tended to get in the jersey at times. I had a 3rd on him much higher than most due to his speed, dude can fly. Plays fast.

Kindred is a poor man's TJ Ward imo. He is a guy who can play Wards role in Horton's D given time. Ray did a good job the year he was here masking Ward's liabilities, and hopefully he can do the same with Kindred down the road.

He's an old school SS imo, but with what we are trying to do that might work......assuming Jimmah actually is patient and allows these guys time to develop a roster.

Your guy just got snagged with the last pick in the draft. I am shocked the Browns didn't draft a true CB in this draft. Caldwell is a FS imo ad as I stated earlier Kinder is an old school in the box SS.

I guess they are happier with the current CBs than I am. I get that you can't really address all of your needs in one draft when your roster is utter crap, but it appears the Browns identified to problem areas (WR and lack of a pass rush) and just repeatedly threw picks at them to see what sticks.

Interesting strategy....or we have Hue "Millen" Jackson as our HC...lol.

I think that we want to see how our young players do when we are actually able to get some pressure on opposing QBs.

Face it, last year we gave opposing QBs all day long to get rid of the ball. We had 29 sacks, and IIRC, 17 came in 2 games. (not ironically, 2 of our 3 wins)

I'm not saying I have a problem with it. I've only been vocally opposed to two of our draft picks (Kessler/Louis), and have liked most of what we did.

Ironically, I thought we had a pretty good defensive draft and got as many as 4 potential starters. However, we did have some offensive head scratches though imo....love the OL picks however.

LOL...........last pick of the draft. Oh well.

Oh well, that didn't work.

And I thought it worked quite well.

I was going to try something else, and it looked good in preview, but blew up when I submitted the post. It was really disappointing.

IMO we need a FS, more so then a backup SS. IC will be our starting SS.

Yeah I'm interested how they will do that. I do think IC has more coverage ability than DK so I wouldn't be shocked if DK started strong side just because lesser of two evils putting IC in coverage. However, if I had to guess Kindred doesn't start out of the gate and we get Poyer or something like that at FS.

Its going to be a really long year...lol. In the FOs defense there was no way to fill all of the holes in the draft without trying to hit on specific players with every need and imo that wasn't the strategy. They wanted to target a few problem areas and hit it with several picks. I actually like that strategy, because I think the draft is too much of a crap shoot to try to hit every need with.

Of course I could be wrong depending upon what happens next year, but I imagine we will see emphasis on the running game and the secondary next year.

That and what ever new holes that can be atttibuted to FA.

To tell the truth ... Im more concerned with what we will trout out @ CB ... Really concerned if Joe Haden isn't full go in the fall.

If we can finally find a pass rush ... that can be a Big help to our backend.

<< Again this is not his game-cutup it's for Sterling Shephard. But you can watch him too #26 he's wearing only wearing 1 white sock on his right leg and none on his left leg. Lines up in the slot, as a 2-deep S and a couple/few snaps at single post S.

*Watched and posted 2nd game-cut up. Its tough to grade S play from TV feed. He played most of his snaps in the slot ~60%, the rest as Cover-2 1/2 field Safety and a couple/few snaps as single post single deep S. He took a couple bad angles. We disagree some on his movement skills, but again its hard to assess on TV feed. He seemed to do a good job closely mirroring the slot receivers. He missed a couple tackles though, which is carry over form the 1st game cut-up. He appears to be a cut tackler like a CB where he lunges at legs/feet but doesn't bring his arms to wrap. But, its hard to forget that the dude is out there playing with a broken shoulder blade which undoubted effects his ability to wrap and his overall approach to contact.

Looking at this small sample size it still looks like he has potential to transition of FS/Single post S. When looking at FS in a Cover 3 scheme I always go back to something Pete Carrol said

Different schemes look for different traits. But some I look for are -willingness to tackle -aggression -tackling effiecy (i.e. low missed tackles) -speed/movement ability and discipline to the seam/post

Kendrick for me so far is willing and aggressive but his tackling efficiency is low how much of this is due to injury? I tend to give him a pass there because I can't get over the fact that the dude is out there playing with what amounts to 1 arm. Now, I haven't watched him cover a seam or post route yet but his ability to mirror suggest that he might be able to. Still have some more digging to do there.

The sock tip was a good one.

Seems to do a pretty good job planting and driving on the ball. He does need to do a better job wrapping up, but with the collarbone injury it's understandable. I think it might play into his overrunning plays a bit, too. He knows he can't wrap well so is going for the solid hits.

I was trying to find 2014 tape to see how it compares.

He has a knack for making the big play.

His measurables are awfully close to Tashaun Gipson's coming into the league.

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I like what I have seen of Kindred, but I really didn't realize how fast he is. Wow! 4.36?

Crazy speed for a safety...they have him listed on the roster at least as a FS.

That to me is the position of question too.

I know we have Poyer, but I don't feel that he is the long term solution there. Im hoping this young man can/will take ownership of it.

I think you mean 4.5

j/c

Kindred is faster in the 40 than Gipson and has a better vertical jump. Those are positives, but we'll just have to see how it all plays out...

One thing I should mention. Even though I do like this pick, one of the knocks that I gave Kindred was that he nosedives the legs a lot without wrapping up.

It didn't sink in to my head until now that a guy playing with a broken clavicle might not be able to wrap up.

My apologies.