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I don't often agree with you, but I'm afraid you may be right. I believe we could have taken Wentz and still had a similar type draft with fewer players that will eventually get cut, and we would've come away with a big, athletic franchise QB. If this is how they draft, our extra picks next year may not produce any game changers either, so what's the point? This draft class may turn out okay, but to give up a chance to add a ten+ year QB is a blunder, and if you insist on doing that, then "okay" isn't good enough. JMHO

Do you think Browns accomplish similar results staying put with only 7 picks plus compensatory picks?

Curious your thoughts on receivers if Browns did not get Coleman instead draft Buckner, Wentz, or Ramsey at #2.

I wonder if Sashi is more conservative in his picks with less selections.

You do realize he played at an NCAA Divison 2 school right? That in itself is a huge gamble. He may never adjust to the speed of the NFL game. Hard enough to adjust when coming from a Power 5 school.

He is actually 1AA,now called bowl subdivision.

Championship (FCS) rather than Bowl (FBS) actually.

I don't care where he came from. He's big, tall, strong, smart and athletic with a big arm, a solid work ethic, good feet and a huge upside. I believe the FO outsmarted themselves by over thinking it, getting cute with the picks and convincing themselves they can retransform RGIII. But again, JMHO.

With 7 picks plus compensatory picks? Well that's a question that's hard for me to say. IF Wentz ends up being a franchise QB, then this FO failed miserably. But that's a question that can't be answered for a while yet. They get paid seven figure salaries to figure these things out, so if they walked away from a franchise QB their competency is in question.

I believe that once they made the decision to trade down, it made much more sense to trade down from 8 to 15. I felt the odds of drafting an impact player at #8had greatly diminished and trading down at that juncture really didn't hurt us much.

On addressing the WR position had we not of drafted Coleman. Actually I don't care for Colemans drop rate. I believe we got much better value in a guy like Higgins in the 5th. The way I see the WR position is this, we have so many holes at so many positions, we could have easily have went BPA and helped an area of need in this draft.

Would Sashi be more conservative with less picks? IMO that's an impossible question to answer. We have only seen one draft from him.

Most people agreed that a lot of good talent was available in this draft in the top 100 picks. But it seemed we were more concentrated in getting more picks even later than using those low picks to move back up. If Sashi holds true to that methodology, we may never know whether he would be more selective as numbers over quality is all we've seen to this point.

I like Wentz, but if we had drafted him who was he going to throw it to.

Hue values accuracy the highest in his QBs which is not Wentz' strong suit. Supposedly, Kessler has nice accuracy.

Didn't Big Ben come from division 3 Miami of Ohio?

Miami of Ohio is in the MAC. That is NCAA Division 1 same as OSU. They are just considered a mid major conference school where OSU is in one of the power 5 conferences.

Might've been able to trade back into the first if you're hot to take one of the top guys in a weak WR class. If not we could've taken Sterling in the 2nd, and any of the other WRs we picked.

Kessler may be accurate, but it's unlikely he's a starter at any point in the future. JMHO

...nvm.

Right there is the million dollar question did Browns let better talent go? As you say it will be a little while before we know.

I personally need to keep it in check. Browns have not proven anything just yet. I like the picks debatable whether they could have done better. It is easy saying after the fact they missed or connected.

I will say this fans need to keep an open mind reading reports. There are some who want this to fail and heavily hit the Browns with an ugly picture. I remember the movie "Moneyball." For me, it is hard believing there is only one way to win in the NFL. I love seeing someone bring something new to the game.

I really don't care how they do it simply want what everyone else wants success.

2016 NFL Draft, instant reaction: Best and most worrisome picks

By Elliot Harrison
NFL Media analyst


Observations : d) Saw the picture of Johnny Manziel watching the draft. Sad. Hope he gets his life in order.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...worrisome-picks

That's Moneyball, brother. Through and through. How it works in football is anybody's guess. Lets see...

I'd rather have

Ramsey and Spence or Bosa and Spence or Zeke and Spence.

Wow. Shall we pull up some of your posts about Wentz?

I didn't like the draft at all. I don't like passing up a franchise QB. I know a lot of you didn't think Went or Goff were franchise QBs but the Rams and Eagles did. Bunch of other teams too. All the trading down for lesser players seems dumb. It boils down to what would you rather have, One great player or 2 or 3 good to average ( maybe less than average ) players.

The QB in round 3?????. We could have got him later or a free agent. He went at pick 93 and Nick Vannett went at 94. We had 99 and 100 coming up. We needed a TE.

I liked the Og and Nassib. Hope they work out. Not sure about our new Mitchell Swartz. Cancer and a bad knee worries me. The rest of the guys I see as late round cannon fodder.

Pro Football Focus give us an 'A' (highest grade)
NFL.Com give us a 'B+'
ESPN, SB, CBS & SI give us varying degrees of 'C' grades.

At this point it is now totally subjective. Lets see how the strategy pans out once the players and coaches hit the field.

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My point exactly cfrs15.

These folks who do all these grades take themselves far too seriously and think they are the written gospel on football. They probably get it wrong at least as often, if not more, than they get it right.

Only if the FO fails to build a contending team here. But, keep in mind the Eagles are at a much different stage of team building then the Browns. If Wentz becomes a 'franchise' QB for the Eagles that doesn't mean he would have been a franchise QB here.

What? I still like Wentz. He has a lot of ability and great intangibles. Pinpoint accuracy just isn't one of them.

I agree with a lot of your post. So just a few spots where I have a different view...

Nassib fit seems like a DE in a 4 man line or an interior rusher like a 3/4 tech in a 4 man line nickel/known passing situations.

I could see Horton's version of the 'nascar' package:

Ogbah--Bryant--Nassib-Kruger

I don't see Nassib being stout enough to play 34 DE in base defense like Calias.


My guess is they'll transition Schobert to ILB, that seems more of his fit in this defense then OLB. He's a fluid athlete but I wouldn't peg him as a finesse player at all. I think he'll be a stud on specials.

ESPN just talked about adding 5 receivers, Kessler not being the right guy for November in the AFCN, and we needed a RB.

They never mentioned that we acquired several picks next year as well, and another in 2018.

Why anybody would put any stock in any opinions put forth on ESPN is beyond me.

Because it is hard to not pay attention when people are yelling at you.

My guess is that next year we will not be trading down as often.. I imagine we may do it.. but not quite to the extent we did this weekend.. I think this year was the overdraft year where we stock up the cupboard.. next year we target more selectively and finish up the holes.. wouldn't be surprised if we move up at least once..

Just a thought..

I'm betting the trading down is a philosophy that is at the core of what we will be doing for awhile.

I think that it depends on where we pick, who is available, and if there is a guy we see as a true franchise QB either available when we draft, or who we can trade up for.

I suspect that we liked Goff, but did not like Wentz near as much. Once we were not going QB, we decided that it would be better to trade down, amass more pick this year, and add picks next year to help if we do have to trade uo for our guy.

I really like what we did in this draft, overall. There are some players I don't like as well as other, and some players I know very little about, but I like the way we attacked the needs we have on this team. We desperately needed help at WR and pass rusher ... and we lost 2 high end OL. We likely will need a QB, though RG3 could change that opinion if he plays really well.

Obviously if our guys bust, and Wentz ball out, then this will be a bad draft. However, one truth about the NFL draft is that it's largely a numbers game. The Patriots have lived by this ideal for years. The Seahawks have traded out of the 1st for 3 years in a row prior to this year. Teams get well in this league by adding a lot of players through the draft. They added real impact players in the middle of the draft.

Even the "stud" players in any draft bust. Adding as much insurance as possible is a really great idea.

Just some random thoughts;

We drafted 14 players, acquired another via a draft trade, and have signed 13 more as UDFA. That's a total of 28 new players. Not that I think it will happen, in fact I highly doubt it will, but if all 28 make the final 53, that's over half the team. Even if just half, 14, make the team, that is still a huge influx which will affect the mindset and culture of the team moving forward.

I see several posters say (and I think most agree) we still need a franchise QB. Again, I'm not saying this is the case, but what if we have him already, and we just haven't seen it yet?

Maybe a return to health, the humiliation of his Washington experience, working with Hue's recommended QB coach, and playing for Hue and Al in a system they gear toward his abilities all combine for Griffin's success in Cleveland.

OR

Kessler turns out to be the guy. Maybe the group-think got it wrong with him like they did with Brady, Wilson, and Romo. I realize the odds are heavily against it, but clearly it has happened before.

Again, none of these are predictions, just random thoughts from a guy who tends to see 'half full.'

People who had an initial negative reaction to the Kessler pick should be allowed to come around without being treated like hypocrites. I for one am just trying to see things the way the new braintrust does and trust them a little bit. He was not a huge risk (a reach maybe) where we took him.
On the other hand, I follow the pattern of buying in and seeing possibilities every year around this time, only to feel like I've been had after a 4-12 season. And I can feel myself starting to buy in again ....

Isn't that exactly as it should be? If the new attitude and thinking says, Put up or shut up! then it works for me.

There appeared to be a plan in place. The area of need in priority to this staff was WR, DL (pass rushers). So based on this philosophy,
I would say mission accomplished.
There was a little too much moving in my opinion but you don't have to spend a ton on WR later in the draft.

So maybe that is why we traded back so many times and set us up NICELY for next year & beyond.
I think ESPN is crazy for a "C" grade just on how we acquired picks alone.
Too early to tell but it feels good, time will tell.

Folks on this board complain every year when some of the Browns picks get a not-so-great grade. They act like everyone else is dumb if people don't say every pick was great.

It's one of the givens of life.

All I can say is this. Our last 2 drafts were heavily praised by the pundits. At least within the week of the draft, then slowly they started jumping off our draft bandwagon.

I for one am glad to see that they are generally "cooling" on our draft already. Maybe we finally did good. Our last 4 first round picks were heavily praised only a couple weeks after their respective drafts. Maybe there will not be tons of pressure on these kids to go out an the the "saviours" of our team. Hopefully they can go out, get coached, and turn into good players.

All I am saying is, the whole grading of a draft this early in the day is purely subjective. Even if a team grabbed a highly praised, top 10 pick...who knows how they will do. Will Goff or Wentz be worth everything they gave up to move to 1 & 2? Will Bosa fit into SD's defense? Will Floyd be worth the move up for the Bears? Is Ramsey that much better than Hargreaves? Is Jack's leg that much of a worry or will he prove his worth? Is Tunsil an off-field liability? And is Buckner elite or will he struggle in the Pros?

Time will tell. Until the 53 man squad is set and the guys are on the field we have no idea who was a good pick or not. To be fair, we may not even know until 2017 season. Erving may prove to be great.

I do remember very well Skrine was destroyed in this very forum and he went on to win most/all of us over. When we let him walk away to the Jets the folks who railed against him in his 1st season bemoaned his departure.

I think it was a solid draft. We affected some serious areas of need, pass rushing and wide out, probably the two biggest problems (aside from QB)this team has had sine 2007.

Kessler is getting some flack, but the alternative was Connor Cook? Kesslers completion % was 65, 69, 66. Cook was never higher than 58 in his career and was a full 10 points lower (56) last season. I feel like, especially when I hear Kiper, he is more defending his grade on Cook than anything else.

We got two book end defensive ends, to add to Kruger and the guy who I always thought would be a situation pass rusher in Mingo.

Some of the later round picks were interesting, but the meat of your draft is always the first 3 rounds. If you get ANYTHING out of rounds 4-7 it's gravy. I think we had a solid, maybe not spectacular first three rounds, which is something we've been missing for a long time.....solid drafts that produce starters.

I think a B is a fair grade. The past 3 or 4 have been D's and F's.