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Quinn holdout may be on the horizon; Quarterback says it's up to his agent and the Browns

The Cleveland Browns, despite trading up to make Brady Quinn their second first-round pick, don't really want the rookie quarterback playing early in his rookie season.

Browns coaches would like to see Charlie Frye maintain the job.

Cleveland might not have all the say in the Quinn situation.

Browns insiders say there's a good chance agent Tom Condon will hold out Quinn once training camp starts.

At a recent practice in Berea, where the Browns have their headquarters, Quinn was asked about the possibility of a holdout.

"That's something, I don't know, that's (Condon's) job," Quinn told reporters who cover the team. "The pressure's on him, not me. The pressure's on me to perform on the field.

"I think there (are) two sides to it. It's not just on me. It's on him and the Browns. They've got to come to an

agreement and figure something out. I'm just a guy out here playing. They're doing all the talking."

So far, the Browns and Condon have not done much talking.

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Rolle did call 2006 his "worst year" and vows to lift his play this season.

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Bulger, 30, said he tries "to stay out that stuff" when it comes to contract talks.

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http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070603/COL04/706030437/1082/SPT

ugh.

I'm worried about this, because of all the hype he commanded. With the fact that he thought he was a top 10 pick, that he's going to want to command that kind of money.

Quite an assumption that the author makes here. All the article says is that Quinn will let Tom Condon do all of the bargaining and that the sides haven't talked much. Not a surprise considering NFL personnel and agents usually take vacation time after the draft ends.

Did Couch hold out?

A couple of things..

1) Whether or not he was projected as a top 10 pick, he wasn't, he was the 22nd pick and should get paid accordingly..

2) I hate when draft picks say it's not up to them, it's up to thier agent to get them in on time.. Bull.. Tom Condon works for Quinn and Quinn should demand that things get worked out so he is in camp on time. Now I am not saying he should sign a bad deal but he should get his butt in on time, if a fair deal is on the table...

I agree - this isn't just about Condon. Quinn needs to step in sooner or later to get the deal done. Just playing the 'I have no say in this' is childish. This way he can try to save face with the fans by telling us he's trying to get the deal done, but it's really about Condon at this point. I see the picture already being painted...

And I'm sure Condon doesn't care about being the 'bad' guy here, he does not give a damn about the Browns, he wants the fattest contract Quinn can get and that's it.

It is really up to all three....the agent probably being the least of the problem. The contract is between the team and the player. The agent is just that....a agent for the player.

Holdouts are a problem created when the team and the player have differing views on the terms. Agents just relay proposals and counter proposals to both parties.

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Holdouts are a problem created when the team and the player have differing views on the terms. Agents just relay proposals and counter proposals to both parties.

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*LOL* ... u gotta be kidding me ... so let me gut this straight ... BQ (and every other pro athelete) is gonna pay an agent 5 - 15 % of their yearly earnings (no clue what % they actually get) .... to be a secretary and pass notes along??? *LOL* ..

It's a long way from being picked as a projected #5 to a #22 draft pick. I won't be surprised at all if Condon tries to play hardball with the team and eventually they will settle somewhere what a 7th pick in the first round QB would receive. JMHO

If it gets out of hand, look for Brady to wise up quick as he will be losing ground and could end up as a back-up in 2008. I see the Browns having the leverage here, especially if both CF and DA begin to make strides with the new system. Course, Condon might being looking at it this way, that Brady probably won't be a starter this year anyway, so lets hold out for as much as we can get. JMHO

I can't stand agents. They get in the way all the time. Condon got into his head, because he said right after the draft that he has no intentions to hold out, and told him to get a deal done quickly so he could be in camp by day 1. Now he's giving wishy washy answers about signing.

If Condon tries to get him top 10 money, it could be a major problem. I hate this and wish there was a rookie cap

I really fear that they'll have a big gap in the "Fair Market Value" It worries me, with the thoughts of how high quinn should go, and for his value as a starting qb, the 2nd one taken, and the high hopes following him, could boost his value.

Hopefully we can use Aaron Rogers can be used as our bargaining chip, because he certainly didnt get alot of money

I too think it is smart of Quinn (or any player) to give reporters the glad hand by passing it off as a concern for his agent. Players that negotiate through the press usually don't come off to good when their words are left to be edited by the media that simply wants controversy to sell.

Last year's #22 overall (Manny Lawson) got something like a 5 year deal worth 8.4M. Throw a 5 year, 10M contract by Condon and he better damn well take it - and sit on it until he does. There aren't too many spots where a player will get a 20% raise over the previous year's player at the same position.

No

If that's the number we're looking at i'll be amazed
i would think something more like 5 years, 15 million. minimum. that's still a pretty good deal if ya ask me.

I think that it's fair to give Quinn a little leeway because of his situation, if we can get the guy to a 5 year contract.

Camp on time would be clutch

I'm fairly certain that Brady wants to make sure that he gets to camp on time... he probably went up to his agent said something along the lines of "I want to get to camp on time... try to get the best contract possible by the time camp starts".

where's ohhh Lord god Charlie Wies now....Maybe Charlie needs to tell his prized possession to agree on a fair number and get his butt into camp, ya cant be like Tom Brady sitten at home on playing Wei.......

I hate it when coachs push players up the draft chart and talk them up only to disapera when contract talks start, and that old it's money talk is BS, they dont have to talk about money with thier player, tell them to get into camp and get big money later...

A BQ holdout will only make RC's job a bit easier,he will not feel the pressure to start him come day 1 and have the luxury of having him sit.

I'm not worried at all,the deal WILL get done and there's plenty of time for it to happen.I'd rather see JT's and Wrights contract get done first anyways.

You talk about assumptions and speculations as if they are dirty words. *L*

Intelligent people are able to speculate and assume. It's called making inferences. If I walk over the crest of a hill and a soaking-wet dog is running towards me and there isn't any housing in the area, but there is a lake, I can speculate, assume, and infer that the dog was in the lake.... even though I didn't actually see him in the lake.

And one can infer from this particular scenerio that there is a better than good chance that BQ will indeed be a holdout.

Now, Mr. Factual.........go take a walk in the mountains. When you come to a cliff just keep on walking, because you never really have walked off a cliff and been severely injured or killed, thus it is just speculation and an assumption that you might get hurt if you walk off that cliff.

Some people gotta learn the hard way.

This article was written in a Cincy news paper with THIS disclaimer at the end "Written, in part, from notes provided by other NFL beat writers" It sounds less reliable than a Roger Brown article

Have a nice walk. Heard the mountains are beautiful this time of the year.

"Word Is" you could be correct.

I hate this time of the year & the Biz part the NFL ( notice I didn't say GAME ) . Old Tom & BQ. can say what ever they want . Brady was drafted at # 22 .. So you look at last years # 22 and go from there ! If he wants to hold out for more cash , then he sits on the Bench :" Period " .. His choice , and we play with Charlie and and Anderson ..

No shock here if Quinn holds out. That's my own take.


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is laughable...

"2) I hate when draft picks say it's not up to them, it's up to thier agent to get them in on time.. Bull."

As opposed to those that say - I WILL BE IN CAMP ON TIME and want to play...then end up holding out as the Agent does the negotiations

99.9% fo the time it upto their agent and the organization to come to an agreement in getting in on time....sometimes after its been a week or so after TC starts the player does come in and is antsy and tries to speed the process along.

BQ like has been his case pretty much said exactly the right thing. It would look a lot worse if he says one thing and then when its truly out of his hands he looks like the greedy one when he doesn't come in on time.

I don't think #22 will be that hard to negotiate...being a QB he'll probably get close to #15 money - but lets face the big money is in the top 8 of which he ain't going to come close to. Condon would be making a mistake if plays Hardball for something rediculous.

JMHO

This will tell me alot on how bad BQ wants to start this yr. If he is in camp on-time, it tells me he really wants to start this yr........if there is a hold-out, it tells me either he doesn't beleive he is going to start no matter what or that he isn't in a rush to be our starter.

He has GOT TO KNOW that by holding out AT ALL, his chances of starting day one are very slim to none.

Me personnally, I would like to see Brady in camp on time, but it won't be that big of a deal to me if he isn't (as long as it doesn't become an extended hold-out) because I would like to see Charlie start this yr. anyway. Of course he needs to earn the starting role, but I believe that would be our best case scenerio: Charlie starting the yr. and playing well enough to keep Brady on the bench for the yr.
This would lead to two things: ONE-we are having a decent yr. and Charlie is winning games for us (at least not losing them),
and TWO-Brady gets a yr. of the NFL under his belt and next yr. we have a QB dilema of the kind that San Diego had, not a bad situation to be in.