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Found this, which I thought was thorough and impartial. One writer's take on our draft but free of the assumptions many sports writers make about Cleveland. I think it has some insights. Browns Comprehensive Draft Review
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I got a malware warning from that site. 
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It's the internet. Wish I controlled it but I don't. I saw that it was a Fansided sited which in turn has some connection to SI.com. You should probably scan it first if that's what your malware app tells you.
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It's the internet. Wish I controlled it but I don't. I saw that it was a Fansided sited which in turn has some connection to SI.com. You should probably scan it first if that's what your malware app tells you. It's a fan blog site owned by Sports Illustrated.
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This comment in that article went over my head...
"Lynch may be a work in progress. He could also evolve and become the real deal and an example of another stellar QB who the Browns didn’t take because those running the team at the time believed they were the smartest people in the league."
I guess they figured everybody knows. I don't.
Another wacky statement in that article...
"The nightmare for the Browns — and for Cleveland fans — is that Wentz is a franchise quarterback in Philadelphia for the next decade."
Pretty dang sure of themselves.
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This comment in that article went over my head...
"Lynch may be a work in progress. He could also evolve and become the real deal and an example of another stellar QB who the Browns didn’t take because those running the team at the time believed they were the smartest people in the league."
I guess they figured everybody knows. I don't.
Another wacky statement in that article...
"The nightmare for the Browns — and for Cleveland fans — is that Wentz is a franchise quarterback in Philadelphia for the next decade."
Pretty dang sure of themselves. Like I said, it's a fan blog. As much as we don't like writers, there is a reason they are employed. They can put together coherent thoughts in a way that is easy for people to understand.
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This comment in that article went over my head...
"Lynch may be a work in progress. He could also evolve and become the real deal and an example of another stellar QB who the Browns didn’t take because those running the team at the time believed they were the smartest people in the league."
I guess they figured everybody knows. I don't.
Another wacky statement in that article...
"The nightmare for the Browns — and for Cleveland fans — is that Wentz is a franchise quarterback in Philadelphia for the next decade."
Pretty dang sure of themselves. It challenges them. People don't like people who tell them the way they do things is outdated and stupid. They like it even less when that is proven.
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As much as we don't like writers, there is a reason they are employed. They can put together coherent thoughts in a way that is easy for people to understand. imo, far too many people write in a casual, conversational style. Many times, it makes their material inaccurate, imprecise, and ambiguous as to content. And I really hate reading an opinion phrased as fact: "Wentz IS a franchise quarterback in Philadelphia for the next decade."  It's only mildly annoying when I hear bros at the bar talk like this; it's unforgivable (at least to me) to write like this. We all took English in school. It's not too much to ask someone to use "I think" "I believe" or "I predict" when making projections. Just a pet peeve of mine. I've conditioned myself to live with it here at DT, because some posters who use this style make good observations, and I don't want to miss out on their contributions. BUT... if I've followed a link to an op-ed that some website sees fit to publish on their front page, it should meet at least the minimal standards acceptable for publishing. It's tough work being an elitist snob. Thank God I'm eminently qualified for the job... 
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And I really hate reading an opinion phrased as fact.
It's tough work being an elitist snob. Thank God I'm eminently qualified for the job... Well your eminence, I might know that I don't know what I'm talking about,but I do know that if I say it with confidence someone will buy into my bullspit.
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As much as we don't like writers, there is a reason they are employed. They can put together coherent thoughts in a way that is easy for people to understand. imo, far too many people write in a casual, conversational style. Many times, it makes their material inaccurate, imprecise, and ambiguous as to content. And I really hate reading an opinion phrased as fact: "Wentz IS a franchise quarterback in Philadelphia for the next decade." It's only mildly annoying when I hear bros at the bar talk like this; it's unforgivable (at least to me) to write like this. We all took English in school. It's not too much to ask someone to use "I think" "I believe" or "I predict" when making projections. Just a pet peeve of mine. I've conditioned myself to live with it here at DT, because some posters who use this style make good observations, and I don't want to miss out on their contributions. BUT... if I've followed a link to an op-ed that some website sees fit to publish on their front page, it should meet at least the minimal standards acceptable for publishing. It's tough work being an elitist snob. Thank God I'm eminently qualified for the job... Nice try at self deprecating humor... Not buying what you are trying to sell Mr. Trump Jr. You need to accept you for what you are, as many would aspire to walk in your shoes proudly.
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And I really hate reading an opinion phrased as fact Hmmmmm...............
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I think it was a solid draft top to bottom of football players. We covered our weaknesses. RT, Pass Rusher, WR with multiple picks. We got a developmental QB at hardly a low invested cost (our 5th pick). The LBs we took can all play the game and are tackling machines. We got around 4 rookies who are Sub 4.45 speed.
We have 14 that should all make it...with a possible WR not as we took 4. So of course we will not know the final status of these prospects as it pertains to Long term careers. But the prospects are bright and I think our new guys had a plan fro this draft and they executed it.
We have 14 guys who will forever be known as our class of 2016! They are looking to change the fate of our team that has been in a circle of mediocrity. Can't wait to see them on the field of play!
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We got several WR, too bad we don't have a QB that can get them the ball.
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We got several WR, too bad we don't have a QB that can get them the ball. Right, good thing we have 5 of them.
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I've conditioned myself to live with it here at DT, because some posters who use this style make good observations, and I don't want to miss out on their contributions. BUT... if I've followed a link to an op-ed that some website sees fit to publish on their front page, it should meet at least the minimal standards acceptable for publishing. It used to be that publishing meant putting an art and type department to work setting up the page and then firing up the million dollar printing machine to print quantities of paper in the hopes that they could sell enough copies to offset the cost. Every where from 8 to 20 employees, and the welfare of their families, were required to roll out the next edition. There was a lot riding on it. Now however, publishing means involving no one else but the writer and the process is hitting the enter key. His cost is the $20 per month to pay his website host. Back in the real days of publishing writers were careful to be interesting and factual because there was so much riding on selling their rag. It's tough work being an elitist snob. Thank God I'm eminently qualified for the job... We wouldn't have you any other way. 
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Excellent read. This is the type of read those who don't understand,after reading, might begin to understand....and that isn't a knock on anybody at all. The plan and implementation are a A+ IMO....how we selected?????Only time will tell, but I have a feeling it will be pretty good. We have some bright people running things. I thought Banner was a bright guy, as well as John Collins. After that, things start to dim.
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Can someone tell me, without sounding foolish, why we did not take Miles Jack in the 2nd round?
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Can someone tell me, without sounding foolish, why we did not take Miles Jack in the 2nd round? Because our Medical staff listed him as a risk? Cleveland does have a high number of quality M.D.s in the area.
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Miles Jack is a risk in the second round, and none of our third round picks are risks?
I would take the risk on Jack in the second round any day of the week. He would have to have been in a wheelchair not to pick him.
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They're always "good reads" if they are positive and absolute rubbish if they are negative.
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Positive and good are synonyms. Just saying.  His mocks are rubbish, but I generally like reading Peter King and the MMQB's group of writers. They take lots of interesting angles.
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I wasn't knocking the article.
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Miles Jack is a risk in the second round, and none of our third round picks are risks?
I would take the risk on Jack in the second round any day of the week. He would have to have been in a wheelchair not to pick him. A lot of teams would have taken him in the first round if not for that medical risk. But they didn't take him because of that risk. What good is a player who can't play? That's a big chance to take regardless of the round. Personally I hope he proves them all wrong and has a long, productive career. But I can't fault the Browns for not taking him.
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Miles Jack is a risk in the second round, and none of our third round picks are risks?
I would take the risk on Jack in the second round any day of the week. He would have to have been in a wheelchair not to pick him. A lot of teams would have taken him in the first round if not for that medical risk. But they didn't take him because of that risk. What good is a player who can't play? That's a big chance to take regardless of the round. Personally I hope he proves them all wrong and has a long, productive career. But I can't fault the Browns for not taking him. That's how I feel. We're just not in position to take that kind of gamble. If he ends up being really good, with some of these other guys they drafted in Jacksonville, that is going to be a really fun team to watch.
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They're always "good reads" if they are positive and absolute rubbish if they are negative. This is not true.
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They're always "good reads" if they are positive and absolute rubbish if they are negative.
They're all crap, unless they have a different angle or information not normally found in a draft report. I read one that graded the players based on where they were taken that I thought was crap, and it was mostly positive. I read another that said we added a lot of speed to the team that was mostly negative for not addressing proper needs, but I found it interesting on the speed angle. For the most part, they are all just blind conjecture.
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Can someone tell me, without sounding foolish, why we did not take Miles Jack in the 2nd round? Because his injury concerns, which is why other teams also passed.
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Can someone tell me, without sounding foolish, why we did not take Miles Jack in the 2nd round? personally I thank they made a mistake, I would have taken ether Spence or Jack instead of Ogbah.
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I've always thought Ogbah was better then Spence. Cleaner off the field, more productive (against better comp) and better measureables.
Jack imo is a risk the Browns can't take.
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I've always thought Ogbah was better then Spence. Cleaner off the field, more productive (against better comp) and better measureables.
Jack imo is a risk the Browns can't take. What? We didn't take Jack because we're not a team that pushes it to the limit.
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I've always thought Ogbah was better then Spence. Cleaner off the field, more productive (against better comp) and better measureables.
Jack imo is a risk the Browns can't take. What? We didn't take Jack because we're not a team that pushes it to the limit. We're just playing by the rules.
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Can someone tell me, without sounding foolish, why we did not take Miles Jack in the 2nd round? personally I thank they made a mistake, I would have taken ether Spence or Jack instead of Ogbah. If we were a piece away, sure, take Jack. We're in long term rebuild mode and his longevity is in question. Jacksonville thinks they can win now. A big part of the plan seems to be changing the culture of the team. I'm not sure drafting Spence would have sent the right message in that regard. I'm not sure Ogbah would have been my pick, but I can see the reasoning the team may have used.
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Spence played(contributed) at OState for 1 season then 1 season at Eastern Kentucky in the FCS, lower level of competition.
Jack is coming off an injury and has longevity questions. That makes him riskier then prospects that don't have those same concerns. Nothing against Jack the player, just his knee.
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I know you really liked Ogbah before the draft. I did too. He was one of the guys I listed at 32. So, I am not upset w/the pick. I just think Spence is a much more impactful player.
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There's things I liked about Spence too, his fluidity of movement especially.
I'm curious what you see as more impactful about him?
The knock on Ogbah that I read most often was his "inconsistent" play. But if his inconsistent play makes him one of the most productive pass rushers in college football...imagine when he learns to jump snap counts, have an arsenal of moves and becomes more consistent? If I was OLB/DL coach I would be excited to teach that kid.
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I haven't read a ton on either guy. Just going by what I saw and I did read a little bit when I posted on the OLBer--3-4 edge rushers thread.
I think Ogbah is really strong w/heavy hands. He can bull rush guys w/his power and he is also pretty fast for a guy w/that build. Like I said, I am happy w/this pick. I actually liked several of our moves, but some on here are saying I hate the FO and the draft and that I'm whining because there are a few guys I didn't like. Whatever.......Ogbah is a good player who can even drop into coverage.
I think Spence is way more fluid. Much more athletic in that he can bend and change directions w/the best of them. I think he is more explosive out of his stance and is equally effective standing up or putting his hand in the dirt.
I do get the character concerns, however.
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