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I dontthink that agents are a part of the problem at all .... just like in any indusrty i think that a-holes are a problema nd give good agents a bad name ... look at lawyers ... u guys get a bad name cause of a very small % of the lawyers out there ... just like in any indusrty its the SLIME BALLS in them that ruin it for all ...
these guys are FOOTBALL PLAYERS .... there not business men and have no CLUE HOW to negotiate a deal .. NONE ... especially the rookies ... their 22/23 years old .. it would be DUMB AS HELL for them to try and negotiate on their own .. STUPID ... its not like the owners and mgmt. would say .. "u know that clause that gives us the options for years 4,5 and 6 with U having no incentives what so ever isnt smart for u so were gonna take it out" .. *LOL* ..
sometimes people amaze me ... (and for once i'm not reffering to U) ... they need to actually SIT AND THINK about what there saying .....
they expect football players (most of whom have no clue what building the ECONOMICS or FINANCE classes are in ) that are 22/23 years old and naive as hell to go in and negotiate HUGE $$$$$ deals for them that for the top picks will be what they will make for AT LEAST THE NEXT 5 YEARS and the top picks 7 years and do this negotiating with PROFFESIONAL NEGOTIATERS that are much older and experienced ..
and its NOT JUST THE ACTUAL MONEY FIGURE ... its out clauses, incentives and a few other VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES ...
these guys would be DUMB AS HELL not to hire an agent .. DUMB AS HELL ....
and get rid of the Postons and Rosenhouses and a few others and all of a sudden u have ALOT FEWER HOLDOUTS and an industy that isnt frowned on near as much ...
HOLDOUTS for rookies are HOW IT WORKS NOW A DAYS and its not all the agents/players faults .. the TEAMS ARE ALSO TRYING TO GET THE BEST DEAL THEY CAN ... cause afterall there running a business and thats what THERE SUPPOSE TO DO ..
the main flaw in this system is that the teams hold all the power because the players choice is to sign with them or sit the year (really no choice at all) .. and the only BARGAINING CHIP the agent/player side has is a HOLDOUT ... thats all they have in their favor .. so the SYSTEM is as much to balme as anything ..
and Dawgs ... BQ has seperate agents ... Condon is handling his NFL contract and he has another agent for endorsements ... not sure who's handling his $$$$
and BQ is ALL READY A RICH RICH MAN ... hes the modern day Tiger Woods .. hes signed deals with .. well heres a snippet from one article .. and i shouldn't even tell u this as i all ready know where its gonna go ... and you'll be WRONG us usual ..
JaMarcus Russell might have the stronger arm, but Brady Quinn has shown a stronger hand at making money off the field. He already has signed sponsorship deals with Nike, Hummer and EAS, which makes dietary supplements. He is blogging for Xbox, has agreed to help market Subway and has a promotional deal with Sprint that has him hyping the draft.
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Let me just say that 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name...
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It be nice exposure for the Browns to have Quinn doing those endorsements, lets just hope we have a team worthy of the attention.
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I feel part of the problem lies with the way they try and slot players. Every team waits for the others to start signing players. That backs up the process and makes quick signings hard. With some agents bent on having their guys holdout it really throws a monkey wrench in the process.
The excuse that it's my agents job is crap IMO. The players can tell their agents to get a deal done before camp starts. There are occasions where teams don't always negotiate in good faith but with the way the slotting takes place I think those situations are rare.
I would hope that the Browns are willing to give more than a #22 contract, one with a lot of incentives. We showed him he was worth more to us and we should probably reward him some for it.
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This will tell me alot on how bad BQ wants to start this yr. If he is in camp on-time, it tells me he really wants to start this yr........if there is a hold-out, it tells me either he doesn't beleive he is going to start no matter what or that he isn't in a rush to be our starter.
He has GOT TO KNOW that by holding out AT ALL, his chances of starting day one are very slim to none.
100% correct!
A deal can be made to get him in camp on time if both sides want that. Take the 22nd picks' contract from last year and increase it by N%. Maybe add some extra because of the slide. Give him an early option to get a new contract based on performance/games started. Done.
If Quinn wants to impress the coach, show up on Day 1. While it may not be necessary for him since he's most likely not starting week 1, it would mean a lot to the coach, team and fans.
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After going through the process before free-agency, I'd have to say its going to come down to the player.
Our Agents came to us with the deals they were negotiating, they would say this is what we're going in with, we will call you with their counter offer. We had the choice to accept or decline each offer that was made and then our agents would go back with our counter......
It was up to us when we said deal. Its just about how much you're willing to risk by asking for more and more. For us it was possibly uprooting again and being unsure of where we would go in free agency, for Quinn its going to be getting started on time or not, and "not" wouldn't be good for him or the team.
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Thank you for your point of view, as well as the new pic. 
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for Quinn its going to be getting started on time or not, and "not" wouldn't be good for him or the team.
We are going to find out how serious he is about getting prepared to play with this one task. He says all the right things, but does he mean it?
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I dontthink that agents are a part of the problem at all .... just like in any indusrty i think that a-holes are a problema nd give good agents a bad name ... look at lawyers ... u guys get a bad name cause of a very small % of the lawyers out there ... just like in any indusrty its the SLIME BALLS in them that ruin it for all ...
these guys are FOOTBALL PLAYERS .... there not business men and have no CLUE HOW to negotiate a deal .. NONE ... especially the rookies ... their 22/23 years old .. it would be DUMB AS HELL for them to try and negotiate on their own .. STUPID ... its not like the owners and mgmt. would say .. "u know that clause that gives us the options for years 4,5 and 6 with U having no incentives what so ever isnt smart for u so were gonna take it out" .. *LOL* ..
sometimes people amaze me ... (and for once i'm not reffering to U) ... they need to actually SIT AND THINK about what there saying .....
they expect football players (most of whom have no clue what building the ECONOMICS or FINANCE classes are in ) that are 22/23 years old and naive as hell to go in and negotiate HUGE $$$$$ deals for them that for the top picks will be what they will make for AT LEAST THE NEXT 5 YEARS and the top picks 7 years and do this negotiating with PROFFESIONAL NEGOTIATERS that are much older and experienced ..
and its NOT JUST THE ACTUAL MONEY FIGURE ... its out clauses, incentives and a few other VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES ...
these guys would be DUMB AS HELL not to hire an agent .. DUMB AS HELL ....
and get rid of the Postons and Rosenhouses and a few others and all of a sudden u have ALOT FEWER HOLDOUTS and an industy that isnt frowned on near as much ...
HOLDOUTS for rookies are HOW IT WORKS NOW A DAYS and its not all the agents/players faults .. the TEAMS ARE ALSO TRYING TO GET THE BEST DEAL THEY CAN ... cause afterall there running a business and thats what THERE SUPPOSE TO DO ..
the main flaw in this system is that the teams hold all the power because the players choice is to sign with them or sit the year (really no choice at all) .. and the only BARGAINING CHIP the agent/player side has is a HOLDOUT ... thats all they have in their favor .. so the SYSTEM is as much to balme as anything ..
and Dawgs ... BQ has seperate agents ... Condon is handling his NFL contract and he has another agent for endorsements ... not sure who's handling his $$$$
and BQ is ALL READY A RICH RICH MAN ... hes the modern day Tiger Woods .. hes signed deals with .. well heres a snippet from one article .. and i shouldn't even tell u this as i all ready know where its gonna go ... and you'll be WRONG us usual ..
JaMarcus Russell might have the stronger arm, but Brady Quinn has shown a stronger hand at making money off the field. He already has signed sponsorship deals with Nike, Hummer and EAS, which makes dietary supplements. He is blogging for Xbox, has agreed to help market Subway and has a promotional deal with Sprint that has him hyping the draft.
anyone seeing a red hummer drive by may have just got a glimpse of our boy ... GM gave him one for a year as part of his deal with them ..
Diam, for as smart as you claim to be - you need learn the difference between SPONSORSHIP and ENDORSEMENT deals. They are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
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Now there you have it from the inside ! Folks just went through it , so they should no ! Thanks " D " .. Cute kid .. And I'm Glad you guy's decided to hang around .. 
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And one of the biggest chips a team holds is they can dork around and never get really serious about a negotiation until right before camp and then let the coach start talking about players getting behind and never catching up, which then plays to the fans emotions and turns the fan opinion in their favor.
Much has been said about how fair the Browns are....well how do people know that??? The final contract might be fair, but the preceding offers might have been total crap in an effort to squeeze the player into signing out of fear after reading quotes from the coach.
You guys have read me for a while and know I don't really have any love lost for players....but when it comes to money and contracts, I am pretty much in their camp. Delays in signing are IMO 80% the problem of the team....not the player or his agent, yet it always plays out how the player is greedy, his agent is a leach who can't be talked to and all sorts of emotional stuff teams create to get the fans on their side in these matters.
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Yeah, that was our experience, but I am sure it is slightly different in Quinn's situation. I just think that it comes down to the player saying ok, that deal is fine. We had numbers we wanted to get close to, mainly in the up front and roster bonus money, when we got close to those number and both sides were not budging too much more then we said OK.
Truly, he probably has numbers him and his agent agreed upon. What will be the test is if the browns don't agree, someone has to compromise....... in our situation our agents left the decision up to us..... his might be different but I can't see why he couldnt say deal. Personally I wanted to keep going, I thought the process was pretty cool, Hank on the other hand didn't and he just wanted to get it done with so he could relax.
Really, he probably just doesn't want to have to deal with it/talk about it. They all have enough to think about and process.
I feel like Hank is in school...... studying every night! He tries to explain stuff to me but I get hung up on the names of the plays. Seriously for those of you who played football who comes up with this stuff??
They all have enough on their plates with the new O and stuff and one can only hope that they all get to camp on time.
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Yeah, that was our experience, but I am sure it is slightly different in Quinn's situation. I just think that it comes down to the player saying ok, that deal is fine. We had numbers we wanted to get close to, mainly in the up front and roster bonus money, when we got close to those number and both sides were not budging too much more then we said OK.
Truly, he probably has numbers him and his agent agreed upon. What will be the test is if the browns don't agree, someone has to compromise....... in our situation our agents left the decision up to us..... his might be different but I can't see why he couldnt say deal. Personally I wanted to keep going, I thought the process was pretty cool, Hank on the other hand didn't and he just wanted to get it done with so he could relax.
Really, he probably just doesn't want to have to deal with it/talk about it. They all have enough to think about and process.
I feel like Hank is in school...... studying every night! He tries to explain stuff to me but I get hung up on the names of the plays. Seriously for those of you who played football who comes up with this stuff??
They all have enough on their plates with the new O and stuff and one can only hope that they all get to camp on time.
What's he saying about the new offense vs. the old one? The quotes from articles say the players love it but the description of the O is SO vague.
p.s. nice to hear some insight from an inside source again!
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ummmm ... MAJOR DIFFERENCE in the two Danielle ...
Hank was a FREE AGENT .... BQ and JOE are DRAFT CHOICES ... that means they can NEGOTIATE with no one else ... having 31 OTHER TEAMS theoritically vying for your services and more than LIKELY TWO OR 3 OTHERS SERIOULSY VYING for your services gives u a MUCH MUCH NEEDED AND HUGE BARGAINING CHIPS ..
this is like apples and oranges .. actually more like grapes and watermelons .. its a HUGE difference .. not even really close to the same thing ..
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our first offers were crap. ( so much so that his agents really wanted to be able to tell them to..... ) ya know. But his agents also knew we wanted to stay here so they just kept at it.
They started getting better the closer we got to free agency. Thats why I wanted to keep going. haha.
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After going through the process before free-agency, I'd have to say its going to come down to the player.
Our Agents came to us with the deals they were negotiating, they would say this is what we're going in with, we will call you with their counter offer. We had the choice to accept or decline each offer that was made and then our agents would go back with our counter......
Thanks......like I said....it is a matter between player and team. The player agent is a sounding board and a person who hopefully has a pulse of what is happening around the league, but in the end, they just relay offer and counter offer to their client and the teams agent.
Earlier, someone wondered what agents make...maybe you know for sure...I was under the impression it was 3-5%...the top agents might get up towards 7%.
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In that respect, of course, it is completely different.
What I was saying is that its still the players decision when the deal is done.
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ummmm ... MAJOR DIFFERENCE in the two Danielle ...
Hank was a FREE AGENT .... BQ and JOE are DRAFT CHOICES ... that means they can NEGOTIATE with no one else ... having 31 OTHER TEAMS theoritically vying for your services and more than LIKELY TWO OR 3 OTHERS SERIOULSY VYING for your services gives u a MUCH MUCH NEEDED AND HUGE BARGAINING CHIPS ..
this is like apples and oranges .. actually more like grapes and watermelons .. its a HUGE difference .. not even really close to the same thing ..
Wasn't Hank re-signed the day before (hours before) free agency? So technically no one else could make an offer until 12 midinght?
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our agent gets 3%.
Agents for top players can actually make a less percentage because the contract is so huge. But I am sure some of them out there would be making up to 7%.
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The excuse that it's my agents job is crap IMO.
No its not P . u hired your AGENT FOR A REASON .. and it wasnt to pass notes back and forth .. there job is to get U the BEST DEAL POSSIBLE .. thats their sole purpose ..
now some agents are aholes .. theres a reason why guys like Poston and Rosenhouse have LONGER HOLDOUTS and MRE OF THEM than the rest .. because their BEING UNREASONABLE with what they want and they know that the LONGER THEY HOLD OUT THE MORE THEIR GOING TO GET ..
its how it works ...
if Joe or BQ tells their agent to JUST CAVE and accept whatevers on the table thats DUMB AS HELL and they dont need an agent ..
u guys act like u know all the details and that every team PUTS GOOD FAIR OFFERS on the table from day 1 ... thats NOT HOW IT WORKS .. its just not near as simple as u guys want to make it out to be ..
and it amazes me that so many people all ready put the onus on BQ .. if he isnt in on day 1 he doesnt want to start and its ALL HIS FAULT??? *LOL* .. please ...
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The players can tell their agents to get a deal done before camp starts. There are occasions where teams don't always negotiate in good faith but with the way the slotting takes place I think those situations are rare.
so most players and agents are GREEDY JERKS trying to get every last penny but most teams are PUTTING VERY FAIR OFFERS on the table from day 1 and all the holdouts are caused solely by the JERK AGENTS/PLAYERS??? Please ...
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After going through the process before free-agency, I'd have to say its going to come down to the player.
Our Agents came to us with the deals they were negotiating, they would say this is what we're going in with, we will call you with their counter offer. We had the choice to accept or decline each offer that was made and then our agents would go back with our counter......
Thanks......like I said....it is a matter between player and team. The player agent is a sounding board and a person who hopefully has a pulse of what is happening around the league, but in the end, they just relay offer and counter offer to their client and the teams agent.
Earlier, someone wondered what agents make...maybe you know for sure...I was under the impression it was 3-5%...the top agents might get up towards 7%.
If I'm not mistaken, agents are like managers - that being the case, typically it's 12-20%. You could be right due to the size of the deals. I'd love to take 3% og a $10 million siging bonus. I could find a small use for $300,000
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Ultimately .. sure ... its on the player ... it becomes alot easier on the player to say yes when they get a REASONABLE offer from the team ... and as u know .. that takes some time in most cases ..
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we signed at around 9pm. But we had the "time" on our side. If we got to 12 with no deal they knew we could be given a better offer. So the later it got the better the deal was. Hanks agents knew there wasn't really a good market for centers out there..... we had a feel for who was interested but didn't have a good feel for what kind of money they were looking to pay, so when we got close to what we wanted we said ok.
We were looking for a contract that wasn't back loaded and had 1/2 of the total being paid in the first 2 years. That was important to us, not the overall amount. I mean we could have signed for 4 mil more but it could have been paid in the last year and you would never see it.
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It's the agents job to ADVISE the client, not to make his decision for him. If BQ says get me in camp on time and the agent says here's X offer. Quinn consults with the agent who can tell him if it's a good deal or not. The FINAL decision is Quinn's. If he's getting garbage offers, then I wouldn't blame him for holding out - but if he disses a great deal to hold out for top 10 money then his word means squat. Agents are there for the fine contract points as well. Vets would be smart to get a degree in the offseason in contract law so they can do their own deal. This way they make the extra 3 to 7 %. Much like Neil Odonnel did later in his career when he negotiated his own deals.
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Everyone has a valid point on this one.
It is the agents job to tell a player when he is getting a good deal.
Our first offers were CRAP.
When they got don to the wire our agents said this is a good deal, I dont know if we will get much more, its UP TO YOU if you want to keep going, sign, or go to FA. They advised us to sign if we were happy with the deal but would do whatever we wanted.
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I'd love to take 3% og a $10 million siging bonus. I could find a small use for $300,000
Go to school for 7-8 years, take a million contracts courses, pass the bar, become a salesman so you can pitch yourself and your client, and maybe you can.
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What's he saying about the new offense vs. the old one? The quotes from articles say the players love it but the description of the O is SO vague.
p.s. nice to hear some insight from an inside source again!
He doesn't say anything I can really understad about the plays. Its football terms so sometimes I feel like he is trying to teach me chinese.
He is really excited though. He said there are new plays with many different looks. So there is alot to know on his part, but he said even more so with the recievers and their routes.
He is happy when he comes home, and for me that is a big indicator on how it is going. He feels good and he is really excited. He actually wanted to stay and train when the mandatory practices were done but his strength coach told him it would be good to get away for a bit....... so we'll go home for a month and I'll try to keep him from gaining any of the weight he lost back! haha
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Threads like this just reinforce my opinion that a rookie contract system would be a HUGE benefit to the NFL. All the rookies would be in camp on time and the vets would get a bigger portion of the cap (which would make more sense). I don’t understand why this idea is such an impossibility. I would think most in the NFL would want a system like that (owners, vets, coaches and agents – not rookies). Even then, the rookies might be able to hit free agency quicker then now and make that big deal happen any way. Oh well, not my money I suppose. Thanks for the update on how Hank's attitude, the new offense and his weight is progressing. Just keep him away from ice cream and doughnuts. 
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He is happy when he comes home, and for me that is a big indicator on how it is going.
You are one smart lady! THAT is really great to hear.
And as far as BQ's comments or lack thereof, it's really pretty clear that he is just deflecting the contract talk for now onto his agent and the team avoid talking about the topic at length. Smart move, so you don't say something that will bite you big-time later. What's the big deal with that?
With the whole slotting system in place now, I would be surprised if any big fish got landed before the end of July. Once the first domino falls, there'll be some movement.
I think to put out rumors or worries about a holdout from "inside" sources now is just plain old specious and borderline irresponsible.
And I agree with Punch's above post 100%.
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No its not P . u hired your AGENT FOR A REASON .. and it wasnt to pass notes back and forth .. there job is to get U the BEST DEAL POSSIBLE .. thats their sole purpose ..
I agree but it is ultimately the players decision, period. He decides if the deal is good enough to get into camp on time.
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so most players and agents are GREEDY JERKS trying to get every last penny but most teams are PUTTING VERY FAIR OFFERS on the table from day 1 and all the holdouts are caused solely by the JERK AGENTS/PLAYERS??? Please ...
I didn't say that. Most players get into camp on time. You have the few who holdout for money that puts the slotting out of wack. You also have some teams who try to under pay because they are flat out cheap.
I know you are not talking about Quinn. He is a more unique situation in my opinion because he was such a top talent which we tried very hard to move up to get, plus he is a QB. He can demand money that is more than his slotting should allow. If his agent tries to hold out for top five money I would say Quinn is to blame. He should try to get as much as possible, within reason. He needs to know when something is in his best intrest. Holding out for something that is not going to happen would hurt him.
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What's he saying about the new offense vs. the old one? The quotes from articles say the players love it but the description of the O is SO vague.
p.s. nice to hear some insight from an inside source again!
He doesn't say anything I can really understad about the plays. Its football terms so sometimes I feel like he is trying to teach me chinese.
He is really excited though. He said there are new plays with many different looks. So there is alot to know on his part, but he said even more so with the recievers and their routes.
He is happy when he comes home, and for me that is a big indicator on how it is going. He feels good and he is really excited. He actually wanted to stay and train when the mandatory practices were done but his strength coach told him it would be good to get away for a bit....... so we'll go home for a month and I'll try to keep him from gaining any of the weight he lost back! haha
That's fantastic news that he's excited. I know you can only tell us so much but is there anything that you can unveil about certain individuals and their progress? I'm more interested in rookies (more specifically first day guys), receivers who are called "headcases" (hint, hint), and recovering tight ends.
Messages encrypted in "vaguespeak" would even do a lot, but obviously we'd all understand that there's only so much that can be told. I won't probe too far.
I'm glad a veteran who's been around good teams sees the potential here. Personally, I've never been so excited for a season just because of the offensive line. I bet Hank loves the fact that he'll be able to focus more on his own job on the line this year than have to help out as much. Thomas and Steinbach on the left...wow. However the right side shakes out I'm sure will be well enough to protect whoever's taking the snaps, and open holes for Lewis.
That doesn't even factor in that I believe we did the most out of any team to attempt to fix our glaring weaknesses. It may not show up this season but definitely will in the seasons to come.
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From way down South ; thanks for taking the time to respond and take on a few questions !
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so we'll go home for a month and I'll try to keep him from gaining any of the weight he lost back! haha
Have to make sure both of ya get out and tune-up the bows, before ya know it Archery season will be here, September 30th it starts. ..
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Number 15 money,, wow, that's not what I expected him to go for.. I kinda thought that Quinns agent would try for number 10 money.. reason for that thinking is that it has been reported that when Quinn didn't go to Miami at 9, the Browns started talking to people to determine what it would take to move up. If that's true, I bet Quinns agent starts by asking for number 10 money..
I could be wrong about that of course,,,, but that's where I would start if I were his agent.. a case could be made for that kinda money.
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Personally I wanted to keep going, I thought the process was pretty cool, Hank on the other hand didn't and he just wanted to get it done with so he could relax.
then good thing Hank is the one who made the decision. 
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All this is worry about Quinn holding out is quite silly. I mean seriously they haven't even started negotiating yet.
He wants #5 money? Says who? People thought he might go top 5 and went #22. Did Aaron Rogers get top 5 $? He was projected top 2 and went twenty-something. On our draft board he was ranked #22. Savage said on draft day that we got the #3 and #22 ranked guys on our draft board and that the draft went exactly the way we had it projected .
So what if he does hold out? Most people don't want him starting game 1 anyway. All a holdout would do is guarentee that he doesn't. I don't want him starting any of at least the 1st 8 games. Hopefully Frye has a good enough year to keep Quinn on the bench all season (and next).
This whole story is nothing but the media looking for an NFL story during the slow news time of year in the NFL. And the media seems to enjoy picking on Quinn for a varied number of reason.
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He wants #5 money? Says who?
Nobody that I read said that.
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so we'll go home for a month and I'll try to keep him from gaining any of the weight he lost back! haha
Sounds like you are too good of a cook.
Cute Sig. You probably already posted this (I can't get on this forum at work anymore which is what I used to do while eating lunch at my desk) but what's your child's name?
Also I hope LCB comes back 100% healthy and the sooner the better. But I hope the Browns plug LCB in at RG and keep Hank as our starting center.
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Welcome back - haven't read you in awhile.
I'm sure there is a difference in the negotiations with 1st round picks of the draft.
1. slotting is involved and you sort of economically have to fall into that slotting with less rookies signed there is less of a data base to get your deal done.
2. 1st round pick negotiations for agents sort of is their bench mark in status of their profession - and why they are afraid to get a deal done early or else it gets benchmarked as a bad deal.
Quinn is far out of the big money of the first round I really don't see it as a major problem...
1. many around his slot will be signed on time to have a data base.
2. I think probably length of contract will be the only stickler...I'm sure BQ n staff will want 5 years and we will want 7.
As Peen mentioned the part that worries me more so is Joe Thomas not BQ.
I know Danielle Shaffer is one of the boys and a veteran kinship has evolved but Joe Thomas is going to be our Left Tackle. IF HE IS IN CAMP
But he's in that #3 slot - Peen you missed the boat. I don't think BQ will have anything to do with JTs negotiations. Nowhere as close as Calvin Johnsons.
What bothers me a bit is getting a deal done first cause Young got a QB deal at #3 last year that was reportedly better than #1 Mario...so we got to wait for that #2 slot.
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