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LOL..........no, not yet.

I don't buy Jerseys. I buy Browns gear....like Polo's or hats...other than games, you can't wear a jersey anywhere.

I too liked Spence on the field but I'm excited by Ogbah's upside. He has 20 pounds and 2" on Spence. The dude is a specimen at that size to run the same 40 time as Laquon Treadwell. Freakish. If he can be coached, the sky is the limit.

My Thoughts?

I don't see a single player we picked as an impact player at all...i don't see a single Pro Bowl level talent, not one. Even Eric Mangini, who draft ability was pretty bad, picked a sure fire Pro Bowler in Alex Mack.

There isn't a single impact player here...this could go down as the worst draft in the history of this franchise...we will be lucky if most of this draft even sticks 2 years to the roster.

what a waste...when your as devoid of talent as we are, you simply cna't afford to trade down when your a horrendous team...we should have taken BPA at #2 where we are....long as you make the right pick with BPA you will eventually dig yourself out of the hole at some point.

Now we just got a bunch of warm bodies on the cheap that will be lucky to not be out of the league in 3 years...Coleman is a project, we wasted a 1st rd pick on a project...Josh Gordon was a project too, the difference was he was taken in the 2nd round of the 2012 supplemental draft, not the 1st round of the draft.

I feel bad for Hue,he is a solid coach, the best hire we have made in a long time, its like he is being set up to fail already

I won't go as far to say we didn't get a single impact player in this bunch. But I do agree with you about sticking with the BPA at #2 spot. I really believe trading out of the top five is for teams that already have great talent in the most coveted positions. If not a QB we still needed at least one of the other coveted positions nailed down with this draft with the very best player available.

Like wide receiver?

If that was so, then that team(s) wouldn't be drafting in the #2 spot. If they traded up to the #2 spot, then it was with a specific player in mind...

J/c

I see 3 starters: Cory and Shon Coleman, Ogbah

1 role specific player: Louis, vertical route runner Fly, Seam, Post, Corner

at least 2 contributors in sub-packages: Nassib, Payton/Higgins

at least 3 contributors on special teams: Kindred, Shobert, Scooby

2 players that could challenge to start at some point this season: Shobert, Kindred

For those that say we got no impact players:

http://nfldraftreport.sportsblog.com/pos...-nfl-draft.html

The 2015 season saw Coleman continue to etch his name into the Baylor record books. The All-American and All-Big Twelve Conference standout was named “College Football’s Most Explosive Player” by NFL.com

Let me see - would I want a slow tall WR who can't get separation? Or a blazing fast 5'11" WR with fast feet and explosive speed???? Man that is such a tough one. . . . Sure it's speculation. Maybe Treadwell will be the next Anquan Boldin ( a WR I whose game I always loved) ... maybe Coleman will drop everything and not get separation in the NFL. None of us actually know yet ......

But to say we got no impact players in the draft is just silly.

most well-stated opinion i've seen yet, i concur cmmpletely

Now there is an objective take.

Scooby Wright III, ILB

Once regarded as the best defender in college football and a one-man wrecking crew, Scooby Wright slipped to the seventh round of the 2016 NFL Draft due to a torn lateral meniscus in his left knee and then a sprained foot. Wright struggled to regain his form in 2015, however in his final college game he filled the stat sheet with 15 stops, 3.5 tackles for a loss and two sacks against an option running team in New Mexico.

Related: Browns select Scooby Wright

What may go down as the biggest steal in the 2016 NFL Draft, Wright hopes to regain his form after a down final year at Arizona. Compared to ex-Miami Dolphin Zack Thomas, Wright could become the best linebacker the Browns have had since Clay Matthews, who last played for Cleveland in 1993. If he is healthy, expect Wright to push for a starting spot on this roster come opening day.

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/05/06/co...heading-camp/4/

the best since Clay Matthews...that's quite a statement, if true then truly the steal of the draft if his knee is 100% come game 1

A little bit of hype there?? I think he is a STer at best

there is hype over everyone drafted...johnny manziel, RGIII, Farve, etc, etc....time will tell if he is or not...me I am just hoping he is close to that

Oh my.... I made the mistake of looking at your post because you replied to me.

Your post is a perfect example of your double standards and antagonistic, troll like posting. And you wonder why you are vilified !!! LMAO. . . . . . perhaps you stopped reading, but from the same post that your selective cut and paste job came from ....

""Maybe Treadwell will be the next Anquan Boldin ( a WR I whose game I always loved) ... maybe Coleman will drop everything and not get separation in the NFL. None of us actually know yet ...... ""

I guess rather than use selective quotes and sarcasm to make my point, I'll simply state that your response lacks any objectivity and is a total manipulation of what a poster was actually saying.

LOL.........okay.

This draft sends so many messages about where the Browns management is headed. Here are my takeaways:

1. This is a passing league and you need to be able to throw the ball and defend the pass - 4 Wide Receivers and lots of Pass Rushers

2. The draft is a crap shoot with each pick having roughly a 50/50 chance, so more picks are better than higher picks

3. Attitude is everything - high character, hard working, never give up type of players are going to form the team's identity going forward

4. Out with the old - a quick look at the roster shows a few older veterans who are in key positions such as Joe Haden, Tramon Williams, Gary Barnidge and Joe Thomas, but once their careers are over in a few years, this team will be completely new from top to bottom

5. Production counts - You can call it analytics, but every player picked in the draft had high production in some capacity whether it was receptions, touchdowns, sacks, tackles, YAC, etc. R Louis may be an exception to some degree, but he had 500+ rushing yards as a WR.

6. Build through the draft - Only 2 low key FA signings. Letting high paid FA's go to accumulate compensatory picks. Trading down to accumulate picks this year and next and the next.

I really like the approach and am anxious to watch this crop and last years rookies develop. I really like that they have a well thought out plan and strategy. In prior years it seemed more reactionary than planned and focused. It looked more short term than long term, and it looked more splash than substance i.e. Johnny Manziel. Go Young Browns!

I think the most significant thing with these guys, is that for once we can actually very clearly see exactly what the plan is. We can also very clearly see that this is a long-term plan - they are not short-cutting. That says to me that they have Haslam's buy-in - at least for now (we'll see how that holds up when pressure builds during a crappy season in Year 2 of this, or if there is a slow start in Year 3).


With every other regime, we could kinda see a little into what they wanted to do - everything else was trying to decipher what the really meant by attempting to read between the lines during pressers - there was never anything this clear and cohesive with their ACTIONS. There was also never even remotely this clear of a signal that everyone - and I mean EVERYONE, from owner on down - is actually, for REAL, on the same page.

Lord only knows if this will actually work or pay off in any way - but as someone who has been becoming more and more of a disinterested pessimist toward this team each and every year for about the last 6 years, this actually seems to me like a solid step toward establishing a true foundation.

I will stop short of saying that there is finally a reason for having hope, however, because that depends upon what these guys look like on the field.

I think this post is on point.

I think this FO is spot on by recognizing and addressing the crapfest of a culture that has been in Berea for years and years. I can remember how it's always been talked about with each regime, but I don't recall when it has actually been addressed on this level. I know some have criticized them for not going BPA at certain points in the Draft, but BPA is pretty much pointless if you don't have that player coming to a team with a real culture AND if that player doesn't have the personality type to fit that culture. I think it's overly simplistic to think we can plug and play any player, no matter how talented they are, and think it will bring the franchise back to respectability.

With having culture/character being such an important aspect of who they sign, I think it shows that this FO isn't going to be slaves to the computer like some have worried.

QB,DE, or DT before WR.

Why?

A valid argument could be made that the WR position was our weakest unit last year.

We passed for 4100 yards last year, but almost half of that (1857) was players at the RB or TE positions. Only 8 of our 20 passing TDs went to WRs. (and 5 of those were to Benjamin, who is no longer here) Our WR corps played like a WR corpse at times. Take away Travis Benjamin, and our WR corps averaged the following in yards/catch: 11.4, 8.6, 10.2, 8.4, 11.6, 10.6, and Pryor had 1 catch for 42 yards.

Duke Johnson checked in at 8.8 yards/catch, and that actually beat 2 WR.

Without Benjamin, we had a #2 or #3 in Hartline, and a bunch of situational 3, 4, or 5 receivers among the rest.

WR was the #1 issue n this team, tied with pass rushers. We addressed both in this draft, with numerous players at each.

If the team did not feel that Wentz was the QB for them, then they did the right thing in passing on him. Better to amass numerous valuable picks then to desperatel;y reach for a guy they felt stood little chance of being their franchise guy. (and if they did feel he could be that, then nothing would have pried him out of their hands)

In the end, we got the best WR on the board, and 2 of the upper level of pass rushers available. I really like this draft a lot. I am very glad that we didn't desperately reach for players, and that we added value, while still getting the guy we had reportedly targeted.

Seeing a lot of trashing of previous regimes by guys who praised them in the past and trashed anyone who questioned those regimes.

I haven't seen "a lot", but you're right, there is some. However, not by me as outside of LomBanner, I have not/will not been/be critical of past regimes. As they are past tense, I do not address them except in response to a post. Knock me all you want, but I am still a H&H guy...

Well, who could have done a better job than they did when they took TRich and Weeden in the first round of a very strong draft? No wonder you love them so much.

Hmmm...off the top of my head:

- LomBanner picked Mingo and,
- It was Romeo who wanted Joe Thomas, not Savage who IIRC, wanted a Dlineman.

We could find others I'm certain...

Mingo is still w/the team. Weeden and TRich are not.

Hold that thought...

You're hoping he gets cut?

Seems like a Brown's fan would be hoping he plays well this year. Oh well, different strokes for different folks.

Why do you insist on trying to put words into other people's mouths? Heck, I hope he makes the Pro Bowl, but so far he is far off that mark...

I don't know...........you thought the idea of him being cut was hilarious. What was I supposed to think after this exchange:

j/c

I also think Kessler will be more like Ken Dorsey than a viable QB

Nothing to do with the player but rather the possibility that your statement may be premature...

"Possibility." "May be." "Premature."

I'm dealing in the present in regards to is on the team and who isn't. Sorry that ruffles your feathers.

Oh, not at all. I'm in too good a humor at the moment...

Oh, not even close.

Dorsey couldn't complete a 10 yard out against air. His arm was severely sub par for the NFL. He averaged something like 5 yards/pass in his career. His arm was probably worse than mine.

Kessler does not have a strong arm, but it is a rocket launcher when compared to Dorsey.

I think that Kessler will be one of those guys who bumps around the NFL for about 8-9 years as a backup, who is just good enough to win about half the games he is forced to play in.

Dorsey had the absolutely weakest arm I have ever seen on a QB. It was embarrassingly weak.