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good one....here's mine...Ogbah and Schobert....
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/topics/1105524/re-mock-drafts-part-3#Post1105524

We know now that Kessler went two picks after Brisset.

Keep up the good work.

J/c

Joe said that they're starting him off at OLB in rookie camp.
Which got me thinking about other 34 OLB of similar physical skillset...which led me to a comp that I know is lofty BUT again only looking at physical skillset.

Anyhow the comp I thought of was Clay Matthews (maybe already mentioned?) don't think of Clay as we know now, think back to Clay as a draft prospect in 2009.

Clay is a bit more explosive, but Sho is in the neighborhood. Sho was actually the more productive college player.

Anyhow.....

Clay Matthews-
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6031
Weight: 240
40 Yrd Dash: 4.67
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.61 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
Vertical Jump: 35 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.18
3-Cone Drill: 6.90

Joe Schobert-
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6013
Weight: 244
40 Yrd Dash: 4.76
20 Yrd Dash: 2.77
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.30
3-Cone Drill: 7.11

yes, very similar to Clay ... kinda neat measurables and comparison

however, it's difficult to compare heart/instincts and it's also difficult to compare the 80s game to today's .... LBs need totally different skill sets than they did 30 years ago

And to think, Schobert did all of that without steroids.

http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/6922/

Not many guys I recognize that compare to Schobert's measurables.

I thought he meant clay, jr.

if so , my fault

I recognize Jon Beason and Mason Foster.

He seems to compare better as an ILB, actually.

YT & eo

Shobert,to me, projects an ILB. Him playing at OLB in rookie camp just had me thinking of 34 OLB comps similar to him. And damn if his measureables aren't close to Clays. The biggest discrepancy in their numbers was verticals and Joes proday vert was 35 exact same as Clay.

The comp made me rethink my view of Schobert exclusively as an ILB. But there are already 4 OLBs ahead of him on the depth chart: Kruger, Ogbah, Orchard and Bryant (suspended?)

His road to playing time at ILB is just 2 deep: Kirksey and Davis.

Actually, if you check the mock draftable DB, Schobert's numbers don't come near Matthews' measurables.

At least they are both white and play some type of linebacker.

Yeah,... I don't get the comparisons either.

j/c

It doesn't make for the type of debate that posters usually indulge in here but I don't think there is any certainty of knowing where Schobert will play at this time. What we do know is that the defense is unlikely to be in a base 3-4 very much. We do know that Horton likes to be multiple, meaning he has used an array of formations and personnel in the past. The depth chart at OLB has question marks. Bryant's situation has to play out. How fast will Ogbah make the transition to OLB? Will Ogbah be a pass rush specialist this year or will he get work in other situations? Who works best in tandem, does it matter? How does the development of Orchard impact Schobert or does it? How does Schobert look when he is moved inside. Is he better at providing pressure from the interior or can he line up inside and still rush the edge through stunts? If Schobert is productive from the interior is that mainily against the pass? The run? What does Wright show in terms of interior LB play? These are just some of the questions I think must be answered on the field before we know where Schobert plays. I do think he'll be a good addition to the D its just a matter of finding the best ways of using his abilities.

The answers to be revealed during training camp.

+1. A racial overtone of 2 Caucasians at LB drives the backdrop.

Don't forget your "White Linebackers Matter" sign when you come to the stadium this season.

A lot of new faces. It's going to take a while to sort all this out and it may not be fully resolved during TC...

Very possible you are right. The situation is likely to be an evolving one. I prefer that the necessary time is taken to get this and other decision made correctly.

I think that Schobert's roster spot is not in competition with Scooby Wright or Ogbah I think Schobert's roster spot comes from Carder, Mingo, Bryant, or Kruger.

I can see that based on what I wrote you could come away with the impression that I'm saying he's competing with Ogbah or Wright for a roster spot. That wasn't what I meant.

It's more that given that the players I mentioned and others that I did not, how do you best utilize his abilities? How does he, or does he, make other players more effective? Where is his best fit? In making this determination it will also sort out who makes the team and who doesn't. But for my earlier post that wasn't my main consideration.

J/c

RE: Shobert and 34 OLB comps

I think something was lost in the current round of discussion...or maybe not..lol who knows.

But I wasn't comparing Shobert to other OLB draft prospects, rather in my previous posts I was comparing him to other current NFL 34 OLBs.

Now maybe its me, but Shobert, like Matthews, doesn't profile like most 34 OLBs. (Kerrigan, Tambi Hali, Paul Kruger, Terrell Suggs, Justin Houston, Connor Barwin, Von Miller). IF he does play OLB, to me, he's not 'prototype' 34 OLB physically/measurables he's not 6'4 + 270lbs + 4.8 (40) guys. To me Shobert and Matthews are close in more categories then compared against these other 34 OLBs and Matthews has been playing both OLB and ILB for the Pack.

Maybe *shrugs* there is/are more apt comps for 34 OLBs I'm missing, I'm all ears...that's actually where I thought this conversation would go not...~I'm comparing them because they're white.

Measurables are only a portion of evaluating someone. When you put on the tape he lacks the bend to turn the corner as a rolb. He lacks the length and bulk to set the edge as a lolb. Those are not flaws they are essentially prerequisites for the position.

He has plenty of pluses that could translate to a pretty good ILB with time but without the bread and butter of an OLB he would have a short career.

No worries Edromeo, it was some other Jackhole who tried to make it about race.

No you didnt misread me.Ware Check out the height and weight of the olbs I listed or take a sample of your own (34 olbs). I bet you're find their average height and weight is closer to my ballpark then not.

BTW-DWare 6'4-260

Just clicking

I have a hard time getting too excited by anyone drafted in the 4th round or lower. But I still hope they stud out..

My main point was that Shobert, like Matthews, are not prototype/typical 34 OLBs when it comes to measurables. I think we agree there?

No worries. I wasn't making a technical researched average, just spit balling. And if you're gonna be this technical about it (1) I didn't say 270+ and (2) I didn't write '6'4 270 is was necessarily the prototype only that Schobert wasn't that size.


Like I've said, I think he's a ILB in this defense. But, even though it was only rookie camp, he did play OLB there. His measurables may make him an outlier for 34 OLB, but he shouldn't be ruled out there.

Looking forward to watching this kid. I enjoyed watching his film leading up to the draft and think he could transition to playing NFL defense quickly. I think being a stud on specials is a given.

But, its early. He could completely wash out. But, I think he's going to be good...quickly.

With all the Mathews talk, those saying we should of gotten Clay.. just remembered all the talks and hopes for the other "usc" LB that we got..

Kaluka Maiava.. Someone look up his measurables. lol..

Maiava was little... 6'0", 230lbs - and I'm betting they were rounding up on those numbers.

Yet he played 6 years in the NFL,the last couple on special teams, which is still far above the average player.