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It really depends on what his interview was like and if the FO believes it will be a problem.

I might think Prescott is more like RG3, but I would take Lynch over Prescott any day.

If the FO doesn't like Prescott, I have Cardale Jones rated about the same. I would not run anything close to the same offense with him though.

j/c:

I get the feeling that some people really haven't watched much of Lynch.

That's more on the offense than him. but when he does throw deep, they are beautiful throws.

I don't think we take a QB in round one but might if Lynch or Cook make the 2nd round. If we pass on the top 4, I see us going with Jacoby Brissett.

Me for one .... No clue why anyone thinks this kid is good in the pocket ... I WATCHED the games ... He's VERY INNACURATTE ....

As usual ... We'll see .... As usual ... Hope I'm wrong ...

Actually I was agreeing with you and taking issue with someone comparing RG3 to a lesser ranked QB based on a smaller size. Having a skill set like RG3 is fine, but I agree that an even bigger version of RG3 would be even better.

To each their own *shrugs*. I think this says more about your perception of Griffin then anything else.

Finally we agree.

Personally I don't think Hue/Pep/Al offense will be heavily based in the read-option as Mike Shanahan's offense was with Griffin. It's not there background and would be quite a paradigm shift in their philosophy...but then again Bevell(Seattle), Shula(Panthers), Reid(KC) have also shifted from their philosophy to build an offense around their talent.

BUT to answer your question there are very good reasons to build an offense around Griffin that if different from their previous offenses. The main reason is that an offense that incorporates a QB as run threat can raise the production of the offense weapons around them. First a QB that is a run threat makes the run game better because it effects the backside contain DE/OLB. This makes it easier for the OL and RB. Having a better run game means you can play-action. Play-action helps receivers get open. And this current offense isn't loaded with weapons.

I would be interested in your response to the above.

And btw it's factually incorrect to say that Mike's offense wasn't successful. Its just to easy to look up the numbers (and records set).

Scratching my head at the mental gymnastics you're going through to downplay that "glorious" year, lol. Its odd.

Fact is Griffin took a team that was terrible the year prior to the playoffs for the first time in 11 years and won rookie of the year.

Once again your facts are wrong. Neither of Griffin's injuries were from read-option/zone-read.

And I don't know who you're responding to that is saying that we HAVE to run read-option. *shrugs*

But don't fret, time will answer all these questions.

A play-action with the QB rolling out is going to keep the defense on their heels as well. The pass and run game can feed off of each other.

There are tons of things that RG3 brings to the table that don't involve the read option.

LOL opinions and facts are completely differnt

RG3 seems like a team guy to me..
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Robert Griffin III wants to make it clear there's no division or drama in the Cleveland Browns' QB competition.

RG3 took fellow Browns QBs Josh McCown and Austin Davis to the Cavs-Hawks game on Wednesday night, and they all got a tutorial on how to score points.




Oh, and guess who else was there? New Browns coach Hue Jackson and team cornerstones Joe Haden and Joe Thomas. RG3 definitely hanging with the first stringers.




But maybe he needs to buy some tix for his receivers, like his Baylor boy Corey Coleman. He's gonna need those guys.




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Joe Haden, maybe you need to stop hanging with female abusing losers and work on your craft because you played like dog crap last year. Just saying. Dude has no right to make suggestions, imo.

the article was copy and pasted...

Joe Haden said the above line (about it being Lit).

The author of the article made those suggestions.

Long Island Tea
Lost in Translation
Legs in Tights
Losers I Target

Obviously I don't speak Joe H, what is he saying here?

LIT = Light = Fire = Hot like fire = Exciting

Thank you.

Gotcha gotcha, thanks for the correction! Much better

Mike Shanahan: Dan Snyder and RG3 conspired to change our offense

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 18, 2016, 11:07 AM EDT
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Former Washington coach Mike Shanahan says quarterback Robert Griffin III and owner Daniel Snyder conspired on a plan to change the team’s offense after Griffin’s rookie year, with Griffin then sitting Shanahan down and informing him that he would no longer run many of the plays that Shanahan had called.

According to TheUndefeated.com, Griffin called a meeting with Shanahan, his son and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and quarterbacks coach Matt LaFleur in February of 2013 and told them to let him speak without interruption. He then informed them that there were 19 plays in Washington’s offense that he would no longer run because he believed he needed to be treated like a pocket passer and not a running quarterback.

Shanahan said he could tell by the way Griffin was talking that he had previously gone over the issue with Snyder.

“When Robert is standing there going through all of that, I know it’s coming from Dan,” Shanahan said. “When Robert talked about ‘unacceptable,’ that was a word Dan used all the time. He was using phrases Dan used all the time. There’s only one way a guy who’s going into his second year would do something like this: If he sat down with the owner and the owner believed that this is the way he should be used. He had to have the full support of the owner and, in my opinion, the general manager to even have a conversation like that. He just had the best year for a rookie QB in the history of the game. You got selected to the Pro Bowl. We went to the playoffs.”

Griffin was concerned about his own health, coming off a season that ended with a serious knee injury in the playoffs. But Shanahan says he was concerned about Griffin’s health, too, and was baffled at Griffin’s approach.

“We tried to get him to slide,” Shanahan said. “We tried to get him to throw the ball away. If he had told me he was hurt, I would have taken him out of the [playoff] game. To hear him . . . it was really incredible.”

Shanahan says he immediately confronted Snyder, warning him that it was wrong to use him as a pawn.

“I said to Dan, ‘Do you realize what you’re doing to this kid?’” Shanahan said.

Snyder refused to comment on the report, but it’s consistent with longstanding talk around the NFL that Shanahan felt undermined in his attempts to build an offense around Griffin. Ultimately, Snyder fired Shanahan 11 months after that meeting with Griffin. Now Shanahan is out of the NFL, Griffin is in Cleveland and Jay Gruden is coaching Kirk Cousins in Washington — hopefully without interference from Snyder

There is another way to spin this.

RGIII was going into season 2 and was coming off a bad knee and did not want to wind up on the operating table again. Snyder wants to protect his investment.

So they approach ego driven Shanahan Jr. About removing plays that put ther future at risk and Shanny Jr thinks that's the owner is undermining him.

Shanny Jr has ego issues as well and that was part of the challenge. rG3 was simply not able to talk to him, and had to get support from the Owner.

Either way you slice the pie, there's apparent dysfunction on a pretty high scale with what went down in Washington. I'm guessing multiple parties played or had a hand in the dysfunction that unfolded.

I don't believe RGIII is our hero, but I believe he stands a better chance, and it's unreal I'm saying this factoring the plethora of Qb failures and his list of needed improvements, here in Cleveland under coach Hue.

http://theundefeated.com/features/the-puzzling-plummet-of-rgiii/

This article is very long. I have not read it yet, but it should be good.

Like Brees and Payton, Young and Walsh.

Hue and RG3?

It could happen.

And I could hit the Power Ball.

Those are pretty high odds.

At least your not setting your hopes too high LOL.

You're right. I've seen this movie many times before. Experience has taught me not to set my hopes too high.

I don't really have any expectations, but Iam exited to see how our QB situation pans out, because at this point it's all conjecture and speculations.

We have added two new options to McCown who was our starting QB last season.

And they might actually have a playmaker or two.

There was dysfunction in DC, but RG3 was involved in that dysfunction with 2 different coaching staffs. I hope that he has learned his lessons from his experience there, and is ready to take a huge step forward in his development.

The one good thing here is that Hue is the one who brought RG3 in, and he is the head coach and offensive coordinator ...... so he's not going to, worst case, drive a wedge between Hue, Hue, and Hue.

I think that RG3 has been humbled by his experience in DC. I don't think anyone who has any knowledge or background of his situation would see it as a one way street. I trust that Shanny's evaluation of RG3 was a correct one, but I can also see RG3 taking it as if they where not going to improve on his flaws such as the basic 3, 5 and 7 step drops from under center by taking it out of his game plan.

It's unfortunate, but as we know Shanny was trying to keep his job, in spite of having his hands tied behind his back by his owner Daniel Snyder.

In the end I think that we can safely state, ... that it wasn't a good situation for Coach or QB.

I just want to see how this all works out. Should have a good idea who is who by the end of this season.

And in the end, it costs us next to nothing to see if RG3 can become the guy for us, or not.

If he can, then that is wonderful. We are loaded with high draft picks, and could get this team into contention in a hurry. If not, then we have Kessler, who Hue seems high on, and we also have a bunch of assets that we can use to go find our QB, in case Hue is not correct about Kessler.

I would love for RG3 to be the guy for us, and for us to be able to use 2 firsts and 2 seconds next year on adding top end talent to a variety of impact positions on the team.

j/c

Whether, or not, he ever becomes an viable starting QB for the Browns I have no doubt that Griffin is a smart guy. Minimally, he can take all of his past experiences and find the jewels of knowledge from those situations. When difficult situations arise again, and they will, he can make a choice. Apply what he's learned from those earlier experiences or respond with the same attitude and behavior that contributed to his career unraveling as it did in DC.

Just finished reading this article. Some interesting tidbits:

RGIII on Mike Shanahan: I’m focused on Cleveland, not Washington

Posted by Josh Alper on May 18, 2016, 5:34 PM EDT
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Quarterback Robert Griffin III’s rocky time with the Redskins under coach Mike Shanahan came up again on Wednesday in a story on TheUndefeated.com that featured Shanahan saying that Griffin and Redskins owner Dan Snyder worked together to change the offense before the 2013 season.

According to Shanahan, Griffin told him there were 19 plays in the playbook that he refused to run because they did not use him as a pocket passer. Griffin was asked about Shanahan’s comments when he spoke to the media on Wednesday, but he opted against commenting about anything that Shanahan had to say about their time together.

“I’m so far removed from Washington now and focused on this opportunity here in Cleveland that I don’t even worry about those things anymore,” Griffin said. “I can only focus on what I can control and that’s here in Cleveland … I didn’t even see that story.”

As for the opportunity in Cleveland, the Browns haven’t made any decisions about who will be their starter. Griffin said that he is approaching it as if “it is my spot and I have go out and defend that.”

“Every single day you step out there on the field, you have to earn it, and I think this is the perfect situation for me to be in,” Griffin said.

Outside of things he learned with the Redskins that may help him return to a starting job, focusing on what’s ahead of him with the Browns rather than issues with Shanahan from three years ago certainly seems like the better way for Griffin to proceed this offseason.

Mike Shanahan showed a lot of class draggign RG3 through the mud 2 years later now that he is fighting to save his career. Seems like RG3 wasnt the only immature one in DC.

Agreed. Except RG3 was 23 years old with people anointing him the next greatest thing, while Shanahan is a grown man.

Amen to that. Or Kessler as you say.

How sweet would it be to have 2 top 10's and those 2 top 10 2nd's.

This Garrett dude could be the next Von Miller.
A Top CB can be had.
This ILB from Ohio State.
DE? Not sure yet about this one.
A Top Safety and RB in 2. Bama and LSU have the Safeties.

j/c:

I have a few thoughts on the Shanahan article:

--There is very little doubt in my mind that RGIII was guilty of what Shanahan claimed. Those "stories" have been out there for a long time. RGIII behaved as if he was entitled and privileged.

--I don't understand why Shanahan is bringing all of this up now. I can understand why he might be bitter, but he should be the bigger man.

--Hopefully, RGIII has been brought back down to earth and there will not be more of the same concerning his prima donna attitude. I'll be watching his time w/the Browns very closely.

Let's hope not, as we have a long road ahead of us (to respectability) and don't need that kind of baggage...

Funny, but he didn't deny having the conversation with the Shanahans and the QB coach..

Tells me he did pretty much what Shanahan said he did.

That was wrong of RGIII to do that, but it's also wrong of Shanahan to bring it up now.

Sounds like Shanny is a bit of an immature baby. It's over with Mike, let it go.