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I have a sleep disorder and it's not as simple as that.

Sure, I can take over-the-counter meds to help me sleep -wait- no I can't. Because sleep apnea, the most common sleep disorder, causes the sleeper's breathing to stop. This forces the brain to "shake" the sleeper awake so he starts breathing again. The sufferer often has no idea all that happened. (Taking a medicine to help me sleep can result in my sleeping too deep to be easily awakened by the brain when my breathing stops, as told to me by my sleep doctor).

This occurs during REM sleep when the body is most relaxed. REM sleep is the period in which you get your most rejuvenating sleep.

I did a sleep study at the hospital and after 3-1/2 hours sleep they asked me how many times I thought I woke up. I told them three or four I'm sure of. They told me 52 times! Yes.

That means my brain forced me to wake every 4 minutes on average. The doctor told me, "You never sleep. You just lay down and rest." I can tell through experience that I can think I slept all night but for a few wake-ups but when the clock goes off I can feel as though I just fell asleep and am being forced to get up and ready for work. I worked like that all my life. About once every week-and-a-half I'd get up feeling refreshed.

The effect of that is the body is weak and tired. The mind doesn't process information as well because, frankly, it needs some quality sleep.

Now, I'm not saying Gilbert has a sleep disorder. I have no idea. I have read that he has slept through some things. So did I at his age. As I got older, as with all of us, I made myself get up and get going regardless how I felt. I don't know if he has a sleep disorder but if he does it could explain some things.

There is the CPAP machine that can help limit the number of episodes during the night. It works by blowing a regulated amount of forced air into your nostrils or into your nostrils and you mouth simultaneously, which helps to keep your breathing passage from closing while you sleep. So there's that. You may ask, "How do you breathe in and out while air is being forced into you?" I'll tell you, you have to get used to that. It takes time.




Reggie White's Death Linked to Obstructive Sleep Apnea

News reports about the unexpected death of Reggie White, just weeks after his 43rd birthday, highlight the potential danger of obstructive sleep apnea and related breathing disorders.

OSA is characterized by brief periods of interrupted breathing during sleep. Typically episodes last 10 to 30 seconds and can recur at a rate of 400 times a night.
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Reggie White dealt with the sleep disorder. I think we can all agree that he was one hell of a man.

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wow.i cant believe i like a post you made. memp i dont know if you remember people commonting on the other board how i was on it 24/7.... i know a little about it....

Interesting post, ddubia!

j/c:

Has Gilber been diagnosed w/a sleeping disorder? I thought he said he "likes to sleep?" Did I miss something?

From what I've read, he sleeps fine. He has a waking disorder.

I feel Justin's biggest issue is attitude. He doesn't want to put the time into being a pro, like Memphis said.

With the physical nature of his body, he could be dangerous. If he has a bad play, gets into an slump mental wise because his attitude making him mentally weak - nfl corner back in Horton's man press scheme probably isn't a fit for him. Probably not anywhere or any scheme is.

Gotta grow up. New staff, new slate and new whatever - I don't think Gilbert is going to survive to make final roster. He's just a joke character and mental wise which nullifies any physical talents.

Maybe,, But what it isn't is physical ability.. He's got the physical tools

Watching that crap tree of a coaching staff for the last 2 seasons gave me psychological issues..

How many of the Defensive players flourished under O'Neil and his no idea scheme ?

I'm more than happy to see Justin getting a fresh start.. This will be a big tell all.

His position is one of the hardest for a rookie to learn..and if he didn't have a good teacher than how was he supposed to excel..

I'm so glad that staff is gone...

Hue will give him a fair shake. Gilbert's got no excuse and this FO/staff owes him nothing.

It's put up or shut up.

Hope Hue preaches to his guys on the proper way to motivate your teammates..

Hoping Gilbert turns it around. We need him. Perfect opportunity to prove the naysayers wrong.

Gilberts only disorder is his lazy attitude in his
Approach to the game.
Football is not a love for him.
He has no passion for the game.
Just face the facts he's another draft bust
From the Farmer regime.

He's lazy & mentally weak. He doesn't embrace adversity; it forces him into a shell. He implodes and gives up rather than rising to challenge it.

He got by in college by being athletically superior.... and it just isn't carrying him far enough in the Pros and he has no idea at all how to respond.

Ray Horton on Justin Gilbert: 'He has God-given ability that we have to get out'

BEREA, Ohio — Justin Gilbert leaped in the back right corner of the end zone during OTAs Wednesday and swatted a Connor Shaw pass away from tight end Gary Barnidge — who's half a foot taller than Gilbert at 6-6.

Was it a sign of things to come? Can the eighth pick of the 2014 draft begin to live up to his first-round status?

"With Justin, he's a talented young man that we need to get the talent from inside of him out onto the football field," said defensive coordinator Ray Horton. "Are we treating him differently? No. We're probably on him a little bit more, but that's a part of the process because he has a little bit more.

"There's a verse in the Bible from Luke that 'much is given, much is expected,' and he falls into that category. He has a ton of God-given ability that we, as coaches, have to get out."

Horton, who's in his second go 'round with the team, acknowledged that some players need a kick in the pants and some need a little more rope, "but they all need to have a little tender, loving care at some point.''

Heaven knows the tough love approach didn't work for Gilbert. Veterans such as Donte Whitner and Karlos Dansby came down hard the past two seasons, and Gilbert went deeper into his shell. He had a hard time integrating into the team to begin with, and the harsh words from veterans seemed to send him spiraling deeper.

Admittedly, Gilbert was late for team meetings as a rookie, and that didn't sit well with the pros. By last season, Gilbert seemed a lost cause, and the Browns were starting just about any warm body they could find ahead of him at corner.

But times have changed. Mike Pettine and Jim O'Neil are out and Hue Jackson and Ray Horton are in. Horton played defensive back and knows what it takes. They've hit the reset button on Gilbert and they're willing to give him a chance. In fact, they're letting him start in OTAs opposite Tramon Williams while Joe Haden recovers from his left ankle surgery.

"I remember talking to him coming out of Oklahoma State," Horton said. "Hue Jackson has done a great job of displaying the message – we weren't here and we don't know what went on. All we know is what went on film and tape from today. Everybody has a clean slate, and you go out and work hard. Is he a work in progress? Yes. Is he carrying anything from four months ago? Not in my book he's not. He's just one of the players that we want to help us win a championship here."

Horton was unaware that Gilbert alienated the grizzled, old-school veterans. The new staff is trying to form its own opinions, without any biases. "I didn't know because nobody said anything about it,'' Horton said. "Nobody told us, and we didn't ask anybody what they thought.''

But Horton did notice how Gilbert — who will still return kicks — was received when he showed up a few days late for the off-season program.

"He had a tragedy in his family and he missed the first couple days of Phase One,'' he said. "When he did return, when he walked into the room, the room lit up. They genuinely care. It was amazing and kind of moving to watch players respond to a guy that they haven't seen since January 1st or 2nd.

"Whatever happened, if it happened, all I know is that when he walked into the room they were happy to see him."

Horton, who wants to unify a splintered defense, is taking the time to get to know Gilbert and his complex personality. He's been somewhat of an enigma, and not many people have been able to get through to him.

"You have got to understand him, what makes him tick, and that's part of being a coach,'' Horton said. "You have got to know your players, there are certain triggers that guys respond to. I am not saying that we can get that out of everybody, but that is what we try to do. He's responding right now, and he's doing everything that we ask him to do.''

Case in point: Horton asked him to change his stance Wednesday and he responded immediately.

"That's like asking you to drive a different way to work today,'' he said. "He changed it in one practice. We all commented on it, and it shows that he is going to do what we ask him to do. That's all we want as coaches, is to give us your best effort and Justin is right now."

Specifically, Horton asked Gilbert to be more compact.

"To me, it was too elongated,'' he said. "I wanted it more balanced, more centered. Again, I'll equate it to a golfer trying to change his golf swing or his stance or his grip. If you ask a golfer to change his grip, he's going to look at you like you are crazy and it feels uncomfortable. It's like something you haven't done before. We were all amazed that it was like no big deal. We asked him to do it and he did it."

The Browns are making no promises about Gilbert. He's started only three games his first two seasons. But they're convinced there's first-round talent inside his chiseled frame, and they're determined to chip away until it emerges.

Could just as easily be a sign that if Connor Shaw has no business on an NFL roster.

Horton said they asked Gilbert to modify and change his stance. Transcript is in the article Vambo posted. That's very difficult to do. He said Gilbert did it and within one practice, eluding to the fact the kid is listening and doing what's being asked.

Positive, yes, but I still don't think he makes the roster unless we care to use him as a returner too in addition to low corner back depth. JMO

Rooting for Gilbert.

JC

It seems like Gilbert is only motivated by positive encouragement. It looks like our coaches recognize this a lot better than the previous regime. I think he'll do well here after a few hiccups. He reminds me of Dion Waiters. Dion went to OKC, Billy Donavan kept encouraging him to shoot the ball, I laughed and now Dion is doing a solid job at OKC. I think we'll be able to break through to Gilbert in the same way.

I think it only shows that he is a weak individual that cant maintain when things go wrong. Could be a great player until he gives up a big play then the collapse is coming.

Totally agree with you CHS. Plus the defensive system last year was probably the worse system he ever played in...HS or College. It was a total train wreck and I think he knew it.

Speaking of last years' defense. . .

This sounds familiar:



http://www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article...twitter-premium

Is it too late to trade for their first round pick? Between them, us and the Eagles we could run the top 5 of the draft.

Good plan, but teams throw the ball on first down about 47% of the time.. it's 2016 bro...

Second, that's everybody else's mantra too... some teams can do it and some can't.

The way many of the players are talking about how much better it is now with Hue and Co., I'm really getting a feeling how bad it must of been with Pett and Co. IMO that's 4-5 more wins this year alone.

The yearly delusional expectations are underway.

In full force and running rampant.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...er_mobile_index

Wow, sounds like Justin is just a very emotional little fella there. Mentally weak as all get out.

Again, why did we bother to interview him, or anyone who knew him, prior to wasting a pick on this kid? Like JF, the writing was on the wall, all needed to occur was just to look at it.

Ray Farmer, dude... grrrr.

#Browns HC Hue Jackson said CB Justin Gilbert has been exceptional, done everything coaches have asked, Hue has told him his slate's clean

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/738059355384389636

"Delusional"...no. Simply the normal (and to be expected) PR talk. Would you rather be in Oakland's position where Mark Davis is spewing the possibility of moving the team to Las Vegas? I thought not...

Browns: The Gilbert reclamation ... Hue Jackson is saying there's a chance
Jimmy Haslam condemned the Browns' 2014 draft in his own words one year ago at the start of Browns training camp. New head coach Hue Jackson hints that that year's top pick, Justin Guilbert, still has a chance to be a saving grace.

By Steve Doerschuk 

Repository sports writer

Posted Jun. 1, 2016 at 2:02 PM

BEREA Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel have been anything but Jimmy Haslam's Flying Js.
Ten months ago, the Browns owner kicked off training camp by calling out his two top picks from the 2014 draft.
"We're putting a good foundation in place," Haslam said. "The (2013) draft was not what we wanted. I think the (2014) draft was better. A lot depends on how the two first-rounders, right?
"If one of them makes it, then we had a good draft. If neither of them makes it …"
Manziel, the quarterback, is gone and isn't coming back.
Gilbert, the cornerback, displayed no evidence he can ever arrive based on his production in:
• 2014. The No. 8 overall draft pick appeared in 14 games, including two starts that got him benched. He was in on 25 tackles .
• 2015. He appeared in nine games, with one start, making four tackles. As a kickoff returner, he topped out at 40 yards and averaged 28.3 on 12 attempts.
Aside from that, Gilbert seemed to win zero trust from coaches. His rare visits with media tended to get him ridiculed on talk radio.
Yet, the new Browns coaches are saying there's a chance.
Defensive coordinator Ray Horton talks as if he understands why fired general manager Ray Farmer thought so much of Gilbert that he traded up from No. 9 to No. 8 to draft him.
Asked what it has been like to coach Gilbert, Farmer said:
"You want to treat everybody fairly … not equally. Some people get a little more rope, and some people need to be prodded. They all need a little tender, loving care at some point.
"Are we treating him differently? No. We’re probably on him a little bit more, because he has a little bit more. There is a Bible verse from Luke. ‘To whom much is given, much is expected.’ He has a ton of God-given ability. We, as coaches, have to get it out.”
After Wednesday's spring practice, head coach Hue Jackson heaped on the TLC.
"He's been sensational," Jackson said. "He's done everything we've asked him to do.
"Whatever's gone on in the past doesn't matter to me. He's done everything right thus far. I'm very proud of him."

http://www.cantonrep.com/sports/20160601...g-theres-chance

It's great that Hue feels that way.. Hope it works out

Take it with a grain of salt, he's been speaking highly on virtually everyone it seems. Listening to him talk, it's like we have a "dream team" or something. I dislike that about his pressers.

Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps it is Hue's way of trying to motivate Gilbert. Nothing else has worked to date...

According to Nathan Zegura (Cleveland Browns Employee) Gilbert is playing with the ones and excelling.

https://twitter.com/NathanZegura/status/738075012108832769

They must be holding practices later than normal this year.

Haden is also injured so the spot is open for reps and touches. If he's really and truly improving both player and mental wise, I'll just shut my big fat trap right up. I just don't think that's happening.

It would be a huge plus if the coaches were able to get him playing up to his physical ability.

I'm not going to hold my breath ..... but it would be nice to have something go really good for us, like that.