So are the Warriors our new Chicago Bulls? Our new Denver Broncos? that team that just happens to be great the same time we are that prevents us from winning a championship while the window is open?
Probably.
How Green hasn't been suspended already is as clear a sign that the NBA is crap as anything I've seen. So many BLATANT, unmistakable, indefensible cheap shots by him - and major ones at that - and the league just says and does nothing, waits for it to go away and for people to stop talking about it.
This league has no credibility, whatsoever.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Cavs will have trouble matching up with Curry. Love will have nobody to guard.
The pace of the games also concerns me ... we need the game to be in the 80s and 90s ... and it's always easier to speed a team up than slow them down
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Who is guarding Curry for the Cavs? Who is Kevin Love guarding?
I think we'll see a lot of Delly in this series. He can guard Curry very well. K Love will guard a lot of people.
The teams match up odd for sure. I think the games will be like last year, just trying to find the right combo of guys. As weird as it sounds one of the best line ups in the playoffs was Frye-RJ-Delly-Iman-King. I think the Cavs will be able to pull this off. Hopefully JR doesn't party himself out.
If that's the lineup, James guards Green, Delly/Curry, Shumpert/Thompson, Jefferson/Iguodala, Frye/Barnes.
Curry toasted Delly last year once the Warriors figured out what they were doing.
I just don't see how Love plays major minutes in this series. Whoever he is guarding is going to be setting picks constantly and Love is one of the worst pick and roll defenders in the league. On Zach Lowe's podcast I believe he said that Love/Irving were the two worst players in the league at guarding the pick and roll.
yeah if people are hedging their bets on Delly stopping Curry they are in for a bad time. The matchups do not favor the cavs at all with the exception of lebron and whoever they put on him..So say Curry/Thompson play 35 minutes a game each, and you're going to put delly/shump out there for defense (easily the worst 2 offensive players next to TT in the series) Wheres the scoring going to come from, bottom line is to beat GS you have to play your game, don't adjust to them, make them adjust to you, cliche i know, but its true, start Frye at center, make them replace bogut with speights. Kyrie can score with curry, so your defense there is offense, though i trap the hell out of both curry/thompson and dare Green to beat you. Thompson/Curry don't get rattled, but Green easily gets rattled/ So you slow them down best you can, spread the floor with Frye/Love and give lebron lanes. My problem is our bench..we have absolutely no scoring coming off of it, you start TT and Bogut just overpowers him.. Speaking of, I'd play hack a bogut to help control momentum.
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For what it's worth, my observation is that you have got to get into Curry's face and not give him the space to shoot the 3. Live with him driving and trying to finish at the rim or be a distibutor because it'll tire him out. Thompson can't beat us on his own and I think he's the harder to get off his game. Curry, whenever he has space (usually when a big switches on him and plays back fearing his speed) he just chucks up the 3 ball. That's actually why I think Delly might be a good call on him for big minutes. He won't stop him but it's okay if he scores twos, we just need to shut down his outside game as much as possible.
If Curry and Thompson combine for 70 points but the majority of them are 2's we stand a good chance as that means we have that many more possessions on our side. It's when they're scoring so efficiently that they can really put a team away.
If he's not hitting anyone with it, I'm sure it's legal. If he's making "accidental" physical contact with his leg going into someone's batteries, or their face, or, really, any part of them, it should be a foul. JMO
If he's not hitting anyone with it, I'm sure it's legal. If he's making "accidental" physical contact with his leg going into someone's batteries, or their face, or, really, any part of them, it should be a foul. JMO
The simple fact that "he's always done it" doesn't mean it's legal.
Correct. Which is why I clarified my statement with an edit. Also, is it illegal?
There used to be a rule about swinging after a dunk that it caused "an unsafe work environment" or something like that and it was grounds for a foul. I would think this is the same thing.
The simple fact that "he's always done it" doesn't mean it's legal.
Correct. Which is why I clarified my statement with an edit. Also, is it illegal?
There used to be a rule about swinging after a dunk that it caused "an unsafe work environment" or something like that and it was grounds for a foul. I would think this is the same thing.
I know they instituted a "No kicking rule" a few years ago after Kobe and Dwyane Wade nailed a few guys. But that was more for initiating contact to draw a foul than anything else. Green's move is more of a flail flop.
Who is guarding Curry for the Cavs? Who is Kevin Love guarding?
I agree, but on the other hand..
Who is guarding Kyrie? Curry? LOL.....he sucks on D just about as bad as Kyrie does.
Curry is not a good defender, but he is adequate. He knows where to be and is a pretty good help defender. Irving totally loses focus for stretches leading to his team getting torched. I believe that Curry did a pretty good job on Westbrook last series (I think RWB shot something like 26% when Curry was guarding him).
It probably doesn't matter though because Thompson will probably pick up Irving for the more important possessions and he is an elite defender on the perimeter. That would allow Curry to "hide" on Smith, Delly, or Shumpert.
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Who is guarding LeBron?
Iguodala did a pretty good job on LeBron last year in the finals. Also, Green and Barnes can at least attempt to guard him. Literally no one can guard LeBron, but the Warriors at least have guys they can throw at him.
This series and its different machinations should be very fun. I am looking forward to some great basketball.
I disagree w/you about Curry. I played fantasy basketball and used fairly elaborate analytical charts to help me make money. Curry's defense was putrid.
I do agree that they will probably put Klay on Kyrie, but Curry tends to drift and that will be a problem if JR is not choking like he did last year. JR will make GS pay if he shoots the ball the way he has been all year.
Furthermore, Love's outside shooting will draw Green away from the basket and I don't think Bogut can block out TT. They will have to go to Festus or Andy.
I am not saying the Cavs should win. I was just countering your claims. I think this should be a good series and the outcome is certainly in doubt. I don't see either team as having a big advantage.
I disagree w/you about Curry. I played fantasy basketball and used fairly elaborate analytical charts to help me make money. Curry's defense was putrid.
My charts were updated daily during the regular season. It was like a job. For real.
I think many people would be surprised by some of the results I compiled. Guys like Drummond and Jordan are known as such great defensive centers, but they were among the worst in terms of giving up the most statistical points. I believe it is because they gamble so much when they go for the blocks. They are often out of position as a result.
I'll say this about that. Yes, we need to be concerned about who's guarding whom.
But the flip side is, the warriors also face that same dilemma. Who are they going to put on Lebron? Does that leave Kyrie open, or Love.
It's not just a "we can't cover them" scenario. The warriors are in the same boat.
They're going to try to use Iggy. He did well versus KD and a worn down Lebron last year. Iggys issue this year is that Lebron will be healthy and rested. Lebron is also a LOT bigger than Durant and a LOT more powerful.
They key to the series is how our bigs play and how well our guards rebound. What makes Golden State so unreal is how they manage to out work guys for the ball. They're always swarming for rebounds. They know they can cover ground they lose in transition because of their passing.
The Cavs need to play better defense and continue to hit threes the way they have been in the playoffs. If they can do that, then they will win. It will be fun to see Frye/Love/James/guard/Irving on the same court as the "Death Lineup." There should be some high scoring games,
The Cavs need to play better defense and continue to hit threes the way they have been in the playoffs. If they can do that, then they will win. It will be fun to see Frye/Love/James/guard/Irving on the same court as the "Death Lineup." There should be some high scoring games,
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Who is guarding Curry for the Cavs? Who is Kevin Love guarding?
I think we'll see a lot of Delly in this series. He can guard Curry very well. K Love will guard a lot of people.
The teams match up odd for sure. I think the games will be like last year, just trying to find the right combo of guys. As weird as it sounds one of the best line ups in the playoffs was Frye-RJ-Delly-Iman-King. I think the Cavs will be able to pull this off. Hopefully JR doesn't party himself out.
If that's the lineup, James guards Green, Delly/Curry, Shumpert/Thompson, Jefferson/Iguodala, Frye/Barnes.
Curry toasted Delly last year once the Warriors figured out what they were doing.
I just don't see how Love plays major minutes in this series. Whoever he is guarding is going to be setting picks constantly and Love is one of the worst pick and roll defenders in the league. On Zach Lowe's podcast I believe he said that Love/Irving were the two worst players in the league at guarding the pick and roll.
They played that lineup a few times during the playoffs. It's not like they'll deploy it against anyone. Again, this playoff is all about finding strange mismatches. Think Lee vs. Mozgov, Delly vs. Curry, Iggy vs. Lebron. And these matchups will not be made by throwing crap at a wall. They'll deploy their lineups carefully.
I'd assume that Kevin will be put on Harrison. And Kyrie has an extra defensive motor in the playoffs. But it'll be hard to stop Curry. But don't take game 6 out of context. The Cavs were depleted, it's not like Curry beat Delly that game.
There's a lot of x factors in the game. Hopefully JR doesn't party too hard this finals, because if he's on then Curry won't be able to defend him.
The Cavs need to play better defense and continue to hit threes the way they have been in the playoffs. If they can do that, then they will win. It will be fun to see Frye/Love/James/guard/Irving on the same court as the "Death Lineup." There should be some high scoring games,
Why live and die by the three ball when GS's rim protector is 6'7?
The Cavs need to play better defense and continue to hit threes the way they have been in the playoffs. If they can do that, then they will win. It will be fun to see Frye/Love/James/guard/Irving on the same court as the "Death Lineup." There should be some high scoring games,
Why live and die by the three ball when GS's rim protector is 6'7?
Because the Cavs only have two guys that can get their own shot inside the paint (James, Irving). Also, Bogut and Ezeli play a pretty good amount of minutes and are pretty good rim protectors.
The Cavs need to play better defense and continue to hit threes the way they have been in the playoffs. If they can do that, then they will win. It will be fun to see Frye/Love/James/guard/Irving on the same court as the "Death Lineup." There should be some high scoring games,
Why live and die by the three ball when GS's rim protector is 6'7?
Because the Cavs only have two guys that can get their own shot inside the paint (James, Irving). Also, Bogut and Ezeli play a pretty good amount of minutes and are pretty good rim protectors.
Delly won't be able to guard Curry but Bogut and Ezeli are good rim defenders? You're quite optimistic for your home state, crfs.
The Cavs need to play better defense and continue to hit threes the way they have been in the playoffs. If they can do that, then they will win. It will be fun to see Frye/Love/James/guard/Irving on the same court as the "Death Lineup." There should be some high scoring games,
Why live and die by the three ball when GS's rim protector is 6'7?
Because the Cavs only have two guys that can get their own shot inside the paint (James, Irving). Also, Bogut and Ezeli play a pretty good amount of minutes and are pretty good rim protectors.
Delly won't be able to guard Curry but Bogut and Ezeli are good rim defenders? You're quite optimistic for your home state, crfs.
Home state? I could care less who wins. I just want good games.
Bogut and Ezeli are not Rudy Gobert, but they are still better than many of the big guys in the league.
Bogut was such a liability last year against TT that Kerr had to bench him. i see the same thing happening this go around
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I actually remember reading an article that talked about how the Warriors actually preferred a healthy Love and Irving because their defense against the pick and roll is horrendous. I'll try to see if I can find it.
Either way, GS is playing the hot hand. I feel like Thompson is playing even better than Curry. I don't feel good about our chances.
GS is playing a hotter hand?
How so?
They went to 7 games with the Thunder.
The Cavaliers closed out the Raptors with a pair of real beat-downs. They really seemed to get re-engaged, when the series went 2-2, and they won the final 2 games by scored of 116-78 and 113-87. They embarrassed the Raptors. These games had these lopsided scores, yet they weren't anywhere as close as they appeared.
Golden State did come back from a 3-1 deficit, but they were all close games, 120-111, 108-101, and 96-88.
One can argue that the Raptors were every bit as good a team as the Thunder, and maybe even a better team. Again, the Cavaliers just dismantled them.
I did read the articles you mentioned about the Cavaliers maybe having been a better team without Kyrie and Kevin. That's absolutely ridiculous. The Cavaliers have the ability, with a guy like Delly, to use him as truly needed, and take a piece out of the opponent's game, but Kyrie brings so much offensively, and has shown the ability to defend in these playoffs. Same thing with Love. Will their opponents score? Of course. Will Kyrie and Kevin offset the opponents scoring with their overall play? I believe so.
One huge problem the Cavaliers had in the Finals last year is that so many players were just run into the ground by the time it was over. Delly wound up in the hospital.
The Cavaliers only topped 100 points one time in the Finals last year. They had nothing left in the tank. In the final 4 games of the Finals, they scored 91, 82, 91, and 97 points. They were not able to stress the GS defense. This will not be the case this time around. God willing, the Cavaliers will be completely healthy, and if they are, I firmly that they are the better team, and they will win.
Yes, because they came back to win the last 3 games, and it seems Curry and Thompson couldn't miss if they tried.
I guess we'll see who is right in the end.
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Because the Cavs only have two guys that can get their own shot inside the paint (James, Irving). Also, Bogut and Ezeli play a pretty good amount of minutes and are pretty good rim protectors.
Only 2 guys? how many guys you need? Bron has the ability to do it all himself.
Push the ball quick, and attack the rim. Super simple.
Assuming we start the typical way (Lebron, Kyrie, Love, TT, JR Smith) I'd match up like this:
Kyrie on Curry JR Smith on Thompson Lebron on Green TT on Bogut Love on Barnes
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Both teams have mismatches on offense they can exploit. Despite the claims by cfrs, Curry is not a good defender. Charts have both simple parts and more complex parts. Here is the simple part: Opponents points, rebounds, assists, steals, minus turnovers. The complex parts are where you start adding things like amount of rest, back-to-backs, travel, specific opponents, seasonal vs last 10 games vs last 5 games, etc.
Curry gave up a ton of productive nights. In fact, there was a point in the season where he ranked dead last in that first group of stats I mentioned.
I think that these games should be high scoring, especially for the Finals.
Looking at your match-ups:
Hmmmm...........I don't like Kyrie on Curry and it would be nice to hide Love on Bogut, and put TT on Green, while letting LeBron play either Iggy or Barnes. You could then switch LeBron to Thompson during crunch time. The problem is that TT would be taken outside the paint, and he is by far our best help defender. Heck, he might be our only help defender of any significance, and Lord knows we are going to need that w/Kyrie and Delly guarding their guards.
But again, GS is going to have a ton of their own match-up issues. Curry won't be able to check Kyrie. Who is going to block out TT? Who will follow Love all the way out to the perimeter and then be able to defend him on the block. And .........if you use a guy who can do that, who guards LeBron?
I agree ... there's absolutely no way I take TT out of the paint. If he's in the game he must be inside. If you're going to go small (which we will with Frye and Shump) then we can have Love on Bogut.
Kyrie is a lot like Curry ... how in the heck can you hide him on defense?
I will say this: this series is MUCH more difficult for the Cavs to match up with the Warriors than it is for the Warriors to match up with the Cavs. Besides Lebron, we're easy to match up with by GS
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I think both teams are going to have a hard time matching-up w/the other team's offense. I wonder if Shump's minutes increase in this series? He has the physical attributes to match-up w/several Warriors.
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