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So you don't know that it takes good players to win?

Who said that? I've said all off-season that the fact that all of our guys leaving was a failure.

He is railing on Haslam for having too much cap space and for not spending even though we spent about the average amount the last two years. He is also not considering one of the reasons we have so much cap space is because the people who ran the team before Haslam was around saved cap space to roll it over.

Just balancing things...........no big deal.

I don't see the need to "balance" something when a person is just spouting off with no clue what they are talking about.

Last year we spent $144M (+) on payroll and still had a ton of cap room because of the money we were able to roll over from previous years (thanks to Banner and Heckert).

I really don't care if you see the need for anything. I said what I said to counter your bias. No biggie.

Nevermind.

LOL...........I get it. But, just think of it this way. Right now, it's like 10, 12, 15 against mac. Is he making some outrageous claims? Yes, he is.

On the other hand, no one is correcting or disputing Vambo's posts or eotab's posts. Are they not outrageous, as well?

You chose to jump in on the piling on of one poster. You might have valid reasons for doing so, but I am only going by what I see. I don't see you questioning the lunacy of tab's or Vambo's posts, and thus, I have to ask myself "why?"

Therefore, I chose to balance things.

I question the lunacy of Vambo when is incorrect all the time (in this case I don't believe he is wrong in saying that we offered our players money).

I see no point in "balancing" things when a person is clearly wrong.

"Balancing" things just makes things more convoluted. Just say what you think instead of backing other people up. Sometimes the side with the numbers is just right.

A difference of opinion, then. I think Vambo's posts on this subject matter are clearly as biased as mac's are. In fact, I think they are even more biased.

I also noticed that you did not mention eotab's posts. Wonder why? LOL

Sometimes the biased side also happens to be the correct side. Sooner or later Vambo was going to be correct in believing the team can do no wrong.

It's all opinion.

You lie and once again cfrs15 is wrong I never said that or posted that.

Not with mac (in this case). He is just making things up, that are factually wrong, to support his case. Vambo at least has circumstantial evidence from reporters to support his side.

I disagree. I think the results speak louder than the rhetoric.

Even if you believe that Mack, Schwartz, Benjamin, and Gipson were allowed to leave without competitive offers from us, you cannot dispute the fact that Haslam spent money on the team in 2015.

Good cap management does not mean you do not spend.

Winning football games is achieved by having quality players. Allowing productive players to leave after their first contract expires is not helping the team.

Look........unlike some others, I have been very open-minded considering the FO. I don't bash each move. I don't praise or excuse each move. I have said I liked the RGIII signing. I liked that they traded the second overall pick for more picks. I liked the Ogbah pick. Etc, etc.....

I just don't think that losing guys like Mack, Schwartz, and Gipson helps the team. Y'all can talk and talk and talk, but my views on that aren't changing.

No doubt. There is however a point where you can determine there is nothing much to learn from various people, at least on various topics.

I agree. One could go back and pull up quotes about how badly Schwartz sucked.

Because I don't dwell on the fact every day that he is gone like others doesn't mean I'm upset he's gone? Or I don't give it a second thought?

It's a mistake he's gone and it was poorly played by the Browns but I'm not going to make hourly posts about how bad a move I think it was.

Nice try. Next....

But just to educate you a little more, here are a few points I made about Schwartz since he signed elsewhere:







Re: Speculating MS contract negotiations:


This gif says it all... Both out MS leaving and your previous post.
https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.ph...ued#Post1087697

....Yeah, not a second thought.

Haslam has been an abject failure thus far, and I don't care that he's a fairly new owner who inherited crap ... we're to the point now that it's his franchise.

We have nothing to show for but changes in philosophy, new staffs, controversy, etc.

Whether anyone agrees with mac or not, he is a respected poster and his opinions do have value...

I believe it is fairly basic, mac. The media will make every effort to stay on his good side in order to gain inside access, while the fans perceive that he is trying hard to make this team a success while acknowledging that he has not achieved that success to date...

You are correct ... Haslam has the fans by the gonads and can do what he pleases ... and we'll all continue to support the team regardless, so we're the suckers

From my perspective, it's not in my nature to think or act like that. Obviously I'm not in Haslam's position financially or socially; however, I'm a competitive person and would always want to win ... I would place winning over money.

Plus, let's face it ... winning will bring in more money anyways

Not from me, you can't.

I know you didn't...they are there.

Seems none can be pulled up...I get error 404 message. Too bad. Would have been fun to find out who was complaining about his play yet now complain he isn't here.

That " one of the best RT in the game", also lead ALL tackles in sacks allowed & hurries in the league in 2015.

I didn't think he did in the first place.

What you fail to comprehend is the offer was never pulled. This was pointed out before, yet you fail to understand that point. Brown made a direct quote to the media on that matter. I seriously doubt he would out and out lie about that, which is the only thing you can believe since you insist we didn't want to sign our free agents because Haslam needed the money to keep Pilot afloat.

Just like it would have been fun to see who predicted the Browns would go 11 and 5 last year and trashed anyone who disagreed w/him. Just like it would be fun to see how one guy said that RT was NOW just as important as LT and that Schwartz deserved top dollar.

Any of this ringing a bell w/you, Peenie?

Got a link for that?

Not trying to be a jerk, honestly curious if that is true.

http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/01/28/...-agent-tackles/



https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-top-10-offensive-line-free-agents/

Before you do your search, change your default view of the forum to all posts. That is the only think that has ever worked for me while searching older posts.

I don't remember the trashing anybody who disagreed. I do remember the other. What's your point? I am not saying we shouldn't have signed Schwartz. I am just saying our front office tried and he elected to go elsewhere. I don't see how we could have made any difference. Brown says our offer was never pulled. I elect to believe him over the player agent.