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I guess nobody wanted to continue the discussion? I considered titling the thread: "Cavs Offseason begins". tongue

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We just need to up the intensity for game 2.

We showed twice last night that we can close the point gaps just as quick as GS can. We just need to bring that extra to bring it over the top.

And we need to stop missing easy layups. I wanna see more of Channing frye.


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It was game 1. Remember what the Spurs did to the Thunder in game 1?


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The average margin of victory in the Eastern and Western Conference Finals was over 20 points. About half the games were decided by 24 or more with a few being over 30.. Fans and the media would have a giant knee jerk reaction with each blowout and each momentum swing.. people are jumping off the Cavs bandwagon in record numbers now. Before the game starts on Sunday I say we close the doors and don't let them back on when the Cavs win and go back to Cleveland 1-1.


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This guy's 'Gematria theory' is pretty well out there, but maybe somewhat interesting for conspiracy theorists:

CAVS WILL WIN NBA FINALS. PROOF! NBA IS RIGGED/FIXED!



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We looked outmatched. TT wasn't worth much IMO. More Frye. Keep trying to get them in foul trouble. Hated the loss, but it wasn't all bad. But it has to be radically better. Play better defense. More heart!


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so what adjustments would you make going into game 2? Here are a few I'd try

1. Less TT. He was a liability on the perimeter and switching/communicating screens. It's just not a series for him.

2. Less Delly. I'd never have Lebron/Kyrie out of the game to run the offense.

3. More Frye. We need his versatility and ability to spread the floor/play small.

4. More Shump. As bad as the matchup is for TT, it's pretty good for Shump. He can play both ends.

5. More ball movement. I'd try to get more movement on the weakside. I know it's not in our nature, but it's necessary.

6. Post Lebron up from a high/low position. Much more difficult to help and much more difficult to guard inside.

7. Consider a triangle and two hybrid to gamble. Don't leave the 2 stars and this would allow for more help on role players.

8. Hack Ezeli/Iggy? Maybe worth a shot.

9. We must get JR engaged. Any screen the screener looks or ball screens/pops with Lebron.

10. Get creative with timeouts to allow Lebron/Kyrie less rest time. Yes, the benches are that much of a disparity.


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The Lowe Post:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=15930721

Pretty good discussion on what went wrong for the Cavs last night.

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j/c:

This was posted by Brownie in the locked thread:

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I don't think its a big deal whatsoever with all the comments throughout the game last night. It's synonymous with the Gameday thread that happens during football season. For those that don't like people's in game emotions, over-the-top comments, either:

(1) Do what you did and skip them over
(2) Start a game day thread for the Cavs postseason
(3) Deal with it.

It's that simple. Whining and crying about people whining and crying is just as bad.


Perhaps the most hypocritical post EVER.

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It was pretty bad, it was every bit as bad as the Cavs board.

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My thoughts on the game/series:

--Too much ISO. The Cavs play well when they move the ball.

--LeBron's lack of defense on Barnes at the beginning of the game befuddled me. He didn't even make an effort to guard him.

--Unlike others, I think the ONLY guy who played good D last night was Thompson. He was helping out so many other guys that it was mind boggling. He also rebounded and scored.

--We don't help the helper. When one guy flashes out to a guy coming off a pick, you gotta rotate your defense. We didn't do that. Kyrie is the absolute worst when it comes to defensive fundamentals.

--I thought Love actually tried to play defense last night.

--Shump was aggressive on D.

--Delly was a huge liability last night.

--Great defense by Curry on Kyrie..........LMAO

--Man, I have been pimping JR, but it sure like he was having a hard time handling the moment.

--I think the defensive plan was sound, but no could expect the other guys to be that hot for GS.

--The officiating was a bit questionable last night.

--Moving forward............do not panic. Stay the course. Pick up the defensive intensity and move the ball. The Cavs are not done. Not even close!

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It was bad. Not doubt. Embarrassed me.

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The Cavs learned a tough lesson about bad possessions and the Golden State Warriors. You just really have to limit them. Two 24 second violations in the first half, and a slew of horrible shots and trips on their end. You really have to limit that stuff. A bad possession against that team is as good as a turnover for them. They can turn horrible offense into 10 point runs in very little time.

It was nice to see Kevin Love play a decent game. I like the success inside. It's maybe one thing the Cavs can go a little more too.

Lebron did not play a good game on offense. 4 turnovers, bad shots. Not good enough.

For all the ripping people have done on the Cavs' bench, they literally, as a whole, took 10 shots the whole game. It's as if everyone just stopped trusting them.

The Cavs need to find more catch and shoot situations for JR. I don't care who's defense you're going against, you can always find shots for guys like JR who only need so much room.

Shaun Livingston is 18/21 in 3 games verus the Cavs this year. THat's incredible. They all seem to be from the elbow. They can definitely go to school on that, but if you're putting resources and focus into stopping Shaun Livingston, there's obviously other problems abound.

Regardless of what happens in this series, Kyrie Irving should spend the summer with a guy like Chauncey Billups (who I know has had interest in the organization the last few years with front office roles). He needs to learn how to stay in front of guys' better. He's an incredible talent, but it's nothing new to us that a lot of defensive issues, especially against an elite team like GSW, start with him not being able to stay in front of his man.

There were more team defense issues than individual defensive issues last night. Tons of confusion on switches and rotating over. It's disappointing to see. That stuff has to get cleaned up.

I'm sure people in here freaked out, but we knew this was going to be hard.

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It's weird because LeBron's basketball IQ is very high, but the whole team was having trouble with cross matches. The Warriors got several easy buckets just because the Cavs didn't know who to pick up on defense.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
It's weird because LeBron's basketball IQ is very high, but the whole team was having trouble with cross matches. The Warriors got several easy buckets just because the Cavs didn't know who to pick up on defense.



I noticed that too, cfrs15. I was like what the hell?!? flamingmad COME ON!

I think we'll do a lot better this next game.

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The Cavs need to find more catch and shoot situations for JR. I don't care who's defense you're going against, you can always find shots for guys like JR who only need so much room.


Need to start pushing the tempo again, that seems to be most opportune times for catch and shoot.

It seems like when we slow things down (which we did a lot of last game) we always fall into the dreaded ISO ball we all hate.

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That's a good observation. Kyrie was completely lost on those plays. LeBron was disinterested at first. JR was trying to clear his throat. Love tried......but he is Love.

It really kills me that I read all that in-game crap from lead, candy, and Swish about TT. Freaking bizarre. He is THEE ONLY guy who had a clue on rotational defense.

Well, that is not completely fair.........Shump did a pretty good job, too.

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Originally Posted By: Psydeffect
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The Cavs need to find more catch and shoot situations for JR. I don't care who's defense you're going against, you can always find shots for guys like JR who only need so much room.


Need to start pushing the tempo again, that seems to be most opportune times for catch and shoot.

It seems like when we slow things down (which we did a lot of last game) we always fall into the dreaded ISO ball we all hate.


Playing better defense will allow you to push the tempo, which is a whole different story. I just think even in half court, they can find a way to get JR better looks. He took 3 shots last night, and I get that his hand may or may not have been hurt.

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Well, that is not completely fair.........Shump did a pretty good job, too.


And even had some mental lapses allowing back door cuts. Shumpert is very inconsistent and he is a near zero on the offensive end.

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I really like JR, but man, he wasn't even looking for his shot. He needs to get the hair ball out of his throat.

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Originally Posted By: Psydeffect
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The Cavs need to find more catch and shoot situations for JR. I don't care who's defense you're going against, you can always find shots for guys like JR who only need so much room.


Need to start pushing the tempo again, that seems to be most opportune times for catch and shoot.

It seems like when we slow things down (which we did a lot of last game) we always fall into the dreaded ISO ball we all hate.


Playing better defense will allow you to push the tempo, which is a whole different story. I just think even in half court, they can find a way to get JR better looks. He took 3 shots last night, and I get that his hand may or may not have been hurt.



The problem is that they Cavs haven't played good defense all year. They can turn it on every once in awhile with certain lineups, but it's hard to just be a good defensive team when it's not something you've done all year.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I really like JR, but man, he wasn't even looking for his shot. He needs to get the hair ball out of his throat.


JR Smith is a known choker. We don't even know if that's possible for him to do.

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Part of it was scheme and that is not a knock on Lue. They were flashing high on the screens, which really limited the shots that Curry and Klay typically get off of high screens. However, it left them vulnerable to the back door, 13 cuts by Livingston, and cross-court looks for other perimeter shooters.

It's one game. GS is a great team. They will be hard to beat, but I think guys saying the Cavs should blow things up is freaking ignorant. We'll see how it goes.......

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
It's one game. GS is a great team. They will be hard to beat, but I think guys saying the Cavs should blow things up is freaking ignorant. We'll see how it goes.......


People just get emotional because their team is losing. Also, it's Clevelannd so people expect the worst. The comments today are much more level headed.

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Part of it was scheme and that is not a knock on Lue. They were flashing high on the screens, which really limited the shots that Curry and Klay typically get off of high screens. However, it left them vulnerable to the back door, 13 cuts by Livingston, and cross-court looks for other perimeter shooters.


And even still, I think Curry and Klay missed double digit open shots. That's not going to happen again. On top of that the Cavs had two players who were lazy in their defense (Irving and Smith).

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It ain't over, cfrs.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
It ain't over, cfrs.


I agree. The biggest adjustment the Cavs can make is upping their effort and intensity. The Cavs are a very good team.

If they lose game two though, it is over. I don't see anyway the Cavs can beat the Warriors four out five games with two of those games being played in Oakland (including game seven).

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You could be right, but I have always thought that the game the Cavs need to steal is game 5. Then again, I worry about the Warriors taking a game in Cleveland.

I'm just enjoying the ride at this point....

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I really like JR, but man, he wasn't even looking for his shot. He needs to get the hair ball out of his throat.


JR had some kind of hand injury early in the game. Not sure what it was or which hand but I wonder how much that played into it.


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JR looked and played nervous.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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IMO if Cleveland doesn't win game 2 the series is over in 5

if Cleveland can steal game 2 the series may go 7


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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This was posted by Brownie in the locked thread:

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I don't think its a big deal whatsoever with all the comments throughout the game last night. It's synonymous with the Gameday thread that happens during football season. For those that don't like people's in game emotions, over-the-top comments, either:

(1) Do what you did and skip them over
(2) Start a game day thread for the Cavs postseason
(3) Deal with it.

It's that simple. Whining and crying about people whining and crying is just as bad.


Perhaps the most hypocritical post EVER.


Would you care to explain or will you just throw out a comment and never return to it?


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The latter.

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Of course you would.


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Bench needs to step up and not get destroyed tonight or this ends in 4.

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So.....you call someone's post "the most hypocritical EVER", fail to elaborate why, and think posting a picture of Ice Cube is supposed to be clever?

Typical Vers.

Again, please share why my post was hypocritical.


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Originally Posted By: candyman92
Bench needs to step up and not get destroyed tonight or this ends in 4.


I'd also add Kyrie, Love, and JR to this list of needing to step up (on both ends) or else I can't see this going past 5 games.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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There was no need to explain. Simply re-read the crap you posted and even you might be able to figure it out.

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I'd have Richard Jefferson guard Shaun Livingston and Shumpert guard Barbosa.

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I'd have Richard Jefferson guard Shaun Livingston and Shumpert guard Barbosa.


I'm hoping Shumpert gets more time this series ... his game lends itself well to playing GS (one of the few players we have who can say that)


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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