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Livingston's height and ability hit the turnarounds over our smaller guards was a problem the other night.

Vers is a cry baby!!! Go cavs!!!!!

LOL...

Anyway........I hope that Lue doesn't fall prey to trying to go small-ball too much against GS. I know that quite a few people think that is the way to go, but our small-ball group isn't as good as theirs. I think we should use our size to cause rebounding problems for the Warriors.

you think we need to see more of Frye?

Absolutely agree, it why I want Jefferson on him. Jefferson can still move pretty well for his age. He has the size to defend Livingston.

I don't know if he is the right guy in this series. I wouldn't mind seeing this a couple of times, not a ton, but sometimes:

TT--Love---Frye---LeBron---Kyrie

TT--Frye--LeBron--Shump---Kyrie

TT--Frye--Love---Shump/Smith--LeBron

Yeah, I didn't say so, but I was agreeing w/you when you posted that.

I think I'd like to see:

Kyrie - Shump - Frye - Lebron - Love

I would agree with that. I think those might be some of the best match ups for us defensively and some of the worst defensive match ups for them.

Well it feels weird calling game 2 a must win, but i think thats exactly what it is. I hope they come out aggressive and stop playing like pansies and take it to them, show GS that they belong here too. I hope Lue doesn't wait too long to make adjustments in game.. I'd like to see more frye and Id like to see Mo over Delly for more stretches with the second team, the delly/shump/RJ/TT lineup kills us, theres no offense there. I think we'll play better tonight, but i also think so will Curry and Thompson, We played them like they were the team and everyone else killed them, i don't think they have anyone that needs to be doubled, just run through the screens and trap quickly. Just play team ball and this is alot more winnable. That said, if we lose tonight, its over in 4 imo, 5 max, and I'd rather it be 5 so they aren't closing it out on our court again. I think our biggest obstacle right now is the mental toughness of most of the players on this team.

Yep. Since we don't have home court advantage, we have to win at GS to have a shot at this. Even in theory if we win the next two games at home, if we can't close a game in GS we're screwed.

*sigh* Typical vers. Insults a poster's opinion and then run into the shadows without backing up the statement.

Ice Cube, though!

Heard a stat on sportsradio this am - so take it for what it's worth.
They said for teams that went to 2-0 the team up won 28 of 31 series.

I initially inferred that they meant finals but didn't hear them say that.
Seems like a lot of 2-0 finals and way too few 2-0 playoff series.

Except Shumpert is a total zero on offense (which allows Curry to guard him and rest).

That Thompson/Frye/Love lineup would get torched on the defensive end.

Game 1 - Irving versus Curry (when guarding each other):

Kyrie gave up 1.57 ppp on 22 possessions

Curry gave up 1.00 on 12 possessions

I'm not a big basketball stat guy. Are those numbers good considered good? Is there a big difference between Curry and Kyrie?

You forget, TT got his money because of his defensive prowess

Which is why i hate any lineup with delly/shump/TT/RJ...there is so little offense there, and the defense isn't that great to justify that lineup. You literally can just leave them guys alone and dare them to make a play. I think you need atleast 2 of the big 3 out there at all time

1.57 points per possession is horrible. 1.00 points per possession is pretty good.

I agree. Which is why playing up tempo is a double edged sword for the Cavs. They will get better ball movement if they play fast, but can LeBron, Kyrie, and/or Love play 42+ minutes while sustaining their skill level?

I think that's what Lue wants to find out.

AN interview this morning talked about how iso-ball may work against the constact defensive switches.

Is this true?

It's the opposite according to Lue:



http://www.wkyc.com/sports/nba/cavaliers...aster/232695954

Thanks for clarifying. The radio wasn't too loud when I drove down to Progressive Field. Threw me for a loop thinking "Wait, he wants iso-ball?"

Pick, pick, pick. It's the freaking finals. Talk BB. Just for a bit instead of your same old tired BS.

Cavs mentally weak? TT sucks on defense? You are clueless.

I'm feeling it.

Going home one up.

yeah to both accounts, the more you talk the more i realize you have zero basketball IQ...Thompson sucks..you are the only one that thinks to the contrary..I'm just putting you back on ignore..your drivel bores me.

I hope we win this game, but this is not a MUST game. Hell, you could say that it is a must game for GS, because do they really want to lose homecourt advantage this early in the series.

LOL..........I ain't saying that. There are no "must" games when you are in the second game of a series. Remember how lead was crying his butt off about how the Cavs "lost the most important game of the series" when they lost game 3? How did that turn out. The guy blows smoke out his butt. He has no clue.

If you would actually watch a game and listen instead of typing throughout the game, you would notice that many former great players and coaches also think highly of TT.

You are absolutely clueless when it comes to basketball.

He MIGHT be our best defensive player, but GS is exploiting him out on the perimeter with the switches and pick and rolls, making his defense a liability.

Which is why I wanted to see more of Frye.

You are wrong about that, little bro.

Yes, they made some shots when he as on them. Not arguing that. Did you not see that TT was instrumental in Curry and Klay having below-average games? Did you not see that he is the only guy who knows what help defense is? It would be a huge mistake to bench him for more offense and trying to match-up w/GS's small ball.

Well then that requires other guys showing up if we want to keep TT out there. Also, he wasn't that good against Bogut. Ya know, the main guy he has to go against for rim protection.

Swish, Love was guarding Bogut. And when TT was guarding Bogut, and Bogut scored, TT had switched to stop another guy, usually Kyrie's or LeBron's guy, and no one rotated down.

Man, it's frustrating that the wrong guy[s] get blamed for the weaknesses of others.

TT was on bogut at times. Both him and Love we're getting wrecked in the paint.

TT, we need offensive production from him bro. We can argue his defense, but he does need to show up with more points.

So TT's faults are due to lack of ball movement, bad defensive by primary scoring threats and ISO play?

Not sure I'd give him the payday he got based on those. A game changing player overcomes all of those.

You want a contact perimeter 3-and-D guard swing on the lower key with a backdoor cut and ball screen pass to the blindside baseline for an open look. But you need a box-in-one block-out for the deadball rebound and downtown drop a dime dribble pass to set-up the fadeaway fast break and mid-range motion offense clearing the way for an outlet pass through the pack-line defense set up by the pick and roll post up. Then the Run and Gun secondary break swingman does a basket cut pivot and breaks into a transition defense and triangle offense alignment with an up and down zone clock violation.

Any questions?

He did score. However, I disagree w/that premise. Most great teams have a guy who fills the role that TT does.

Rambis in LA.

Rodman in Detroit.

Maxwell in Boston.

Jones in Philly.

Mahorn in Detroit.

Silas in Boston and Pheonix.

Oakley in Chicago

Etc, etc

These guys don't need shots. They rebound, they defend, the set screens, they do the dirty work while the stars score. It's part of a successful team, Swish.

What? We completely misunderstood each other some where along the way. I was talking about the Cavs as a team when I said those things. I did not realize you were only talking about TT.