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Currently on the road, nope not in Seattle, this week for a vacation. Glad to see the Indians continued their winning streak. Keep it up!

I have given up even thinking I might get to see an Indians game before the playoffs.. somebody let me know if they are on a televised game before then.

Just this:

Go, Tribe! No June swoon!

Hopefully Cody can pick up from his last start, where he went 7 innings against the White Sox, allowing 1 run, walking none, scattering 5 hits, and striking out 9.

Indians were just nationally televised this past Saturday on FOX. I believe that was their only currently scheduled nationally televised game.

I watched the final inning of last night's game via a live look-in on the MLB channel. It was great to see Allen shut the door (although, the deep flyout with a man on had my heart beating).

Hey DC,

The Tribe play a couple games against The Nationals the last week of July. That must be on your local TV.

My next chance to watch the Indians is the beginning of July for a four game series against the Yankees in Cleveland just before the all-star break.

I moved to North Carolina 10 years ago, just never changed my name.

Umm... DC?

Ten years ago was 06/07/06. Three months before you apparently registered for this board and took the DC name.

Too bad we didn't have this discussion yesterday about an hour earlier. We could have had the post time stamp:

06/06/06 06:06 PM

sort of...never mind...i'm missing some time parameters...

whatever that means

He was DC on the old board as well.

This board was, as you know, a spinoff of the original board. Most of us kept the same name, unlike you, who I believe has had several different screen names....

j/c..

Game was a mess. Lindor had a big mental error in the fourth which would have got the Tribe out of the inning. However, it ended up opening the flood gates.

Cody Anderson gave up the deep ball early. He never too command of the game. Chisenhall had a good game offensively and defensively.

KC lost, so the Tribe still maintains a 2.5 game lead. Detroit rolling lately.

This was definitely a tough game all the way around.

Hopefully Carlos Carrasco continues to regain his form tomorrow, and he can put us back on the winning path.

There was a big deal made in the media about how Cody Anderson increased the velocity of his fastball this off-season. On the surface this looks like a good thing but I am concerned this is the cause of his issues.

When you are pitching and "hump it up", you can add a couple mph to your fastball. As a consequence, 2 negative things can result.

1, less control. A better word might be less precision, because you may not be increasing the number of walks. Rather a ball that is supposed to clip the low outside corner which the batter will be lucky to foul off ends up 2 inches up and over the plate putting it in his wheelhouse.

2, less movement. A fastball is anything but a straight pitch, especially in the pros. It will have movement which can be devastating if it is sharp late movement. When you are throwing the ball as hard as you can, the natural movement you may have at 90% velocity can really straighten out. If you throw a straight ball it is going to get hit and get hit hard.

As others have said, I was DC on the board long before this one was conceived... and in order to maintain my rock star-like image, I had to keep it.

Hopefully Tomlin can get the W so we can split the 4-game series. I don't like 4-game sets on the road. Messy.

2016 MLB First-Year Player Draft: First-round tracker

#14 - Cleveland Indians - OF Will Benson, The Westminster Schools (GA)

A 6-foot-6, 220-pound outfielder who still hasn't even turned 18, Benson is already a massive presence in the batter's box. He's left-handed and Baseball America has pegged him as having "arguably the best bat speed in the class." They further offer up a Jason Heyward comp, though there are reportedly concerns about Benson's hit tool. As for his power, speed and arm, he grades out very well and is hailed as an excellent all-around athlete. He's committed to Duke, but is seen as signable.

I need to start going to games, again. They're losing without me there.

They have looked like garbage against Seattle, the offense decided they don't want to play in June

They decided to play in the 8th.

Naquin hit an absolutely unbelievable HR ..... really golfing the ball from about 6 inches off the ground. lol I cannot believe he hit that one out.

Big win for the Tribe, to allow them to move back out to a 3 game lead in the Central.

That HR he hit was ridiculous. The two out RBI by JRam was big too, especially after he nearly had the grand slam.

Shaw did his best to give it away.

Allen made it interesting, but closed it out to seal the win. I'll take a split in Seattle.

Yep. I'll always take a split on the west coast.

Now time to go win a series against the Angels.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Naquin's homer was on an 0-2 count too.

Indians first 3 picks in the 2016 MLB draft:

The rankings follow the guidelines laid out by the new Collective Bargaining Agreement in terms of who falls under the international pool money rules: Players who are at least 23 years old and played in leagues deemed to be professional (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Cuba) are not eligible.

Players are graded on a 20-80 scale for future tools - 20-30 is well below average, 40 is below average, 50 is average, 60 is above average and 70-80 is well above average.


Will Benson | Prospect Rank: 38

School: The Westminster (Ga.) Schools / Year: Senior / Position: OF / Age: 17 / DOB: 6/16/1998 / Bats: L Throws: L / Height: 6' 6" / Weight: 220 lb.


Commitment: Duke


Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 55 | Run: 55 | Arm: 55 | Field: 55 | Overall: 50

It's almost impossible to discuss Benson with a scout and not have Jason Heyward's name come up as a comparison. They're both Atlanta-area high school prospects, left-handed hitters with similar builds at the same stage of their careers and outstanding athletes for their size. Benson led The Westminster Schools to the Georgia 3-A championship this spring, the Wildcats' first title since 1975.

Benson's bat speed and strength give him well-above-average raw power, and the fact that he's more aggressive than Heyward bodes well for Benson's chances of tapping into it. He's at his best when he uses a short stroke, though he falls into the trap of trying to do too much at times. He hasn't had a great spring with the bat but still has enough offensive upside and all-around potential to go in the first round.

A solid runner, Benson led the U.S. 18-and-under team with four steals in 14 games during the summer. Though he plays center field in high school, the Duke recruit will move to right field in pro ball and has the required arm strength for the position. He also has experience at first base.

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Nolan Jones | Prospect Rank: 20

School: Holy Ghost (Pa.) / Prep Year: Senior / Position: 3B / Age: 18 / DOB: 5/7/1998 / Bats: L Throws: R / Height: 6' 3" Weight: 195 lb.


Commitment: Virginia

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55

The last time the state of Pennsylvania had a hitter get drafted in the first round was back in 2007, when Devin Mesoraco was taken by the Reds. This year, there could be two high school bats selected in the opening round, Alex Kirilloff near Pittsburgh and Jones, a talented infielder outside of Philadelphia.

Jones' senior year started slow as he tweaked his back and missed the beginning of the season. As he returned, he was getting a lot of looks as he was thought to be one of the better pure high school bats in the country. Jones has good bat speed and excellent raw power from the left side. An average runner who might have slowed down a tick as he's added weight to his lanky frame, Jones has good hands and actions for the infield, though most see a move from shortstop, his high school position, in the future. Some feel the 6-foot-4 Virginia commit will profile well at third. But while he throws in the low-90s off of the mound, his arm action has others thinking that perhaps he'd profile best as a big offensive-minded second baseman or perhaps a left fielder.

There might be teams who feel Jones has a chance to stick at short, but even if he has to move, his bat and offensive upside should get him off the board at some point in the first round.

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Logan Ice | Prospect Rank: 108

School: Oregon State / Year: Junior / Position: C / Age: 21 / DOB: 5/27/1995 / Bats: S Throws: R / Height: 5'10" Weight: 195 lb.

Previously Drafted: Never

Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 40 | Run: 35 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

A three-year starter at Oregon State, Ice had two relatively non-descript seasons then picked the right time to figure things out. In a year lacking in the catching and college bat departments, Ice's strong year in a big program has put him in line to come off the board in the first few rounds.

Ice might not have the offensive profile of some of the college backstops higher on this list, but that doesn't mean he's not without skills at the plate. The switch-hitter has shown a very good feel for hitting during his junior season, hitting for average and some extra-base ability, while walking more than he struck out. Compared to those offensive-minded collegians, though, Ice has a better chance to stick behind the plate. It's nothing fancy, but he has average receiving skills and an average arm that has been effective at times in controlling the running game.

Names like Zack Collins and Matt Thiass will undoubtedly come off the board first, but a team could find value a bit later with Ice, who has a better chance of being a solid everyday catcher.


http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016/?list=draft

Will Tomlin have a career year?

He’s certainly had a career first half and currently is a shoo-in for the All-Star game in a month.

The season is flying by at warp speed.

Logan Ice ... Too bad he's not a pitcher. That would be the perfect name for your Closer.

Shoo-in?

He's [arguably] the third best starter on his team (not including Carrasco, who has been out) and his underlying numbers are not very good. There are dozens of starters that deserve the All-Star game more than him (Sale, Quintana, Aaron Sanchez, Rich Hill, Tanaka, Salazar, Kluber, and many more).

cfrs,

You obviously underestimate wins.

Tomlin is a Guidry-like 15-3 in his last 18 decisions.

And he has a better winning percentage this year than anyone in your "vaunted" list.

Or I, correctly, discard them as a junk stat. It's 2016, the win is dead as a relevant statistical measure of a pitcher's performance. There are many more stats that accurately show how well a pitcher has played.

(This is not my opinion. This is fact.)

quote above by cfrs:

"...his underlying numbers are not very good."

What? What underlying numbers are you talking about?

His height? (6'1")
Street address? (1205)

I don't know what "underlying numbers" you like, I'll take wins.

His metrics. His OPDA and his TRI and his WEV.. dude that's what it's all about.

The ones that actually matter, FIP, xFIP, and BABIP are great places to start.

Wins are irrelevant.

Wins are the ultimate measure of a pitcher's contribution to a team's record.

Wins are all that matter to a team.

Period.

Let me try to explain it so that there's an outside chance you might be able to comprehend.

Which would you prefer:

Pitcher A

ERA ...2.36
IP ... .100
SO.... 105
W.......20
Whip...1.10
GS.....15
W.......5

Pitcher B

GS....15
W.....11

times up cfrs

This is hilarious. Who knew that people like this still existed?

A pitcher strikes out 27 batters, gives up no walks, no hits, but a batter reaches on a error, steals second, then third. He scores on a sac fly. The team loses 1-0. Did he not pitch well?

The job of the pitcher is to not give up runs. The win stat does not represent that at all.

Hang it up dude. Lmao.

Crfs...

Tomlin constantly acts as an outlier to the sabremetrics. Just accept that.

That may be true. Wins are still a horrible stat.

Klu-Bot looks like he is locked back in again, going for a complete game, allowing 2 runs, 3 hits, striking out 8, and walking only 1.

He has had 4 high quality starts out of his last 5.

Tribe with a 3.5 game lead in the Central, and 4 ahead in the loss column.