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And of all this....man i feel real bad for the victim. She's most likely already been slut shamed, victim blamed, all this other crap.

I was waiting on the "well, what was your wearing?" crap that always comes up. Women aren't safe in this country, and this is another confirmation that the justice system rarely benefits them when it comes to sexual assault.

I don't know if that's the whole story because I'm not at all aware of all the details of the case against Lee Carroll Brooker... there may be more to the story.

But on the surface, it just isn't right.

I know you're not defending that scum DC. I found that pic on Snopes of all places and thought it really addressed what is wrong in our criminal justice system. Growing marijuana should never get you more time then rape does. These 3 strikes you're out laws should be used for violent crimes not growing weed in your backyard.

Now I assume the guy knew the laws and risked it anyway so I not shedding a tear for him and had he not been greedy and harvested the plants sooner, the stalks would have been gone and the moisture evaporated, they would have come in well under the limit.

On to the rapist:

Now when you look at the fact this judge was a Stanford alum and the governor who appointed him to his seat was a Stanford alum, you have to wonder if this is more than a simple coincidence?

What happened to men being men and knowing you don't take advantage of an inebriated women? As Jimmy Stewart put it in Philadelphia Story, when talking to Katharine Hepburn, "But you also were a little the worse - or the better - for wine, and there are rules about that.". I don't know, maybe I just grew up watching too many old movies when I was young and bought into the hype?

Funny, something very similar to that happened in Steubenville a couple of years ago. There were actually screenshots of some of the things they were doing to her.

Both happened to be stars on the football. One got one year in juvie and the other ended up with two years. They both should have gotten real jail time and the football coach destroyed evidence.

The legal system is broken top to bottom unfortunately. It's almost nearly impossible for a fix due to the culture of the legal system and the size of it.

No, you can't. Not on average. You think this is a precedent that is going to stand and be repeated? The reason there is outrage is because this is different than the norm..

So while I'm as appalled as anybody at what happened here, let's not get our panties in a wad that this is "normal"...

The only thing even remotely "normal" about this is that the wealthy and connected in this country seem to fair far better in the legal system than the rest of us... and that absolutely has to change.

Sure it has.

Look at the cases involving wealthy people, sexual assault, DUI's, murder, the list goes on.

Precedence has been set. It doesn't matter the "outrage" people have because it literally has changed nothing when it comes to hoe deep your pockets go.

If I'm wealthy, I'm now aware that I can kill 4 people while drinking and driving underage, and rape a chick, yet receive virtually no jail time.

And what's worse, these kids lives aren't ruined. They got connections to still get a good paying job after the smoke clears.

I really feel bad for women in this country. The only standard the justice system has is for broke people. Then the book is thrown.

It's absolutely normal. You might not see it that way, but the history of the wealth and the justice system proves otherwise.

Bro, you just agreed with everything I said. I acknowledged that this is a wealth and influence issue. You made it sound like getting away with rape AT ALL was now the norm..

So I apologize if I misunderstood your post or if you misunderstood mine.. but we are arguing the same thing.

We are. Which I had also mentioned in my previous post about the wealth.


So..... Ummm.... Benghazi!!!!!

If we are to have mandatory sentencing, you would think that we would do so for violent crimes, like rape, assault, battery, etc. These are the crimes where I would be most concerned about getting the perpetrators out of circulation.

I do think that mandatory sentencing has a place, and yes, even in the drug trade ..... but it should be for the major distributors, not the poor sap who gets talked into selling because he has never worked on becoming educated, or developed any skills that will allow him to earn a living. (and yes, who also may not have many opportunities in the area in which he lives) The guy who is caught 3 times with a relatively small amount of pot, for example, should never be sentenced to prison, unless he also commits other crimes. I have less sympathy for those who sell crack, or meth .... but relatively small amounts of pot, even when it is apparent that it is for sale, is a pretty minor crime.

I do think that our justice system needs repaired, because it is broken in a lot of ways. Which candidates are doing anything towards doing so, though? (beyond talking points, that is) Is Hillary going to completely repudiate and dismantle one of Bill Clinton's major accomplishments? Does Donald Trump care? What has Obama done about this? What has he even proposed? What have Democrats, or Republicans, proposed to fix this kind of problems?

There is a lot of blame to go all the way around, and precious few solutions.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/convicted-stanford-rapist-brock-turner-000000113.html

So this piece of crap is only gonna serve 3 months with good behavior?

This is exactly why nobody trust the system, except wealthy people.

I know the whole matter has nothing to deal with me, hasn't effected my day to day normal or anything - but damn does it really tick me off. The kid and his dad are disgusting human beings, as the moronic judge behind it all.

I'm just trying to figure out who to write my letter to and then post it on the internet..

With jail overcrowding, he'll probably serve no more than two.

Dear Barry:

link to the petition link

There's gotta be a few hundred people they could let out ahead of 'it'.

non violent drug users would be a start.

Banned for life from USA Swimming. Unfortunately for such a crime, this SHOULDN'T be the most severe punishment, but the reality of it says otherwise. Getting banned is the worst thing to happen to him, as of yet, for his horrific actions.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-swimming/

Zackly who I was thinkin' 'bout.

Sorry I haven't read everything on this yet so a quick question. Did these two have sex while drunk off their arses or was she assaulted, carried off, and then things done to her?

I mean in my eyes if you go to a party and get hammered and wake up in some weird place then it's your own fault for getting drunk. I mean it's just stupid to go into that kind of environment and not expect that to happen when almost everyone there is there for that main purpose.

Now if you got spiked that is different. If you were attacked and forced to do something that is also different.

I mean a guy and a girl at a party both get drunk and both end up in bed. The girl can cry rape but the guy can't? I mean both got drunk and did something stupid so why is it that ONLY the guy is at fault? I just don't think that is fair or just.

Then again I got no pity for what people suffer when they are stupid enough to go places where everyone is drunk and maybe doing drugs. IMHO you brought it on yourself. It's not a mistake that bad things happen to people doing stupid things.

The girl was there with a freind so why did her freind do nothing to help her out? I mean if the guy dragged her away and forced here then why did no one try to stop it in a place full of people? I don't know the facts of the case or what really happened but my logical mind says there is a lot that is not being reported here.

The moral of the story is that alcohol is a destroyer of people one way or another. I personally wish it was a banned substance. I've had enough of watching it destroy people's lives and families.

She was blacked out. He wasn't. That's all there is to it.

Also, I never got drunk and had the urge to rape someone. Alcohol is a cop out.

Ah, here comes the victim blaming.

I'm not blaming the victim especially since I clearly stated I don't know the details of the case. I'm speaking in general terms. Clear?

Your headed out to a party where men and women are going to be falling down drunk. You honestly think it's ok to walk into that situation get drunk off your arse and then call foul when you wake up God knows where having done only God knows what? But it's only the man's fault and he is evil right? Well I call BS on that attitude.

If you head into a party where people are getting slammed then don't cry about what happens to you in a room full of people drunk and out of their minds. I don't drink. I haven't since I was 17 and almost went to jail over becoming a violent drunk. EVEN I know that when you go to a wild party people are there to get drunk and have sex or worse.

Now you going over to a friends house to have a few drinks with friends and something gets out of hand that is something else. That is a betrayal of trust and unforgivable because everyone should be looking out for each other.

A frat party with people getting drunk and stoned and everyone knowing its going to be like that beforehand ... sorry its your own fault for even going there to begin with. Blaming all the drunks who are getting wild and doing whatever to other drunk people there is just unfair if you ask me. There is just no way you don't know what you're getting into at one of those places.

I don't go to them. Never plan to either. I definitely think they should be banned. Yet I can not crazy enough to think that a frat party is anywhere a woman should be going unless she plans to get a little crazy too. I mean there are so many women that go there just for that purpose its just not fair to expect drunk men or women to behave in good judgement.

So until you are willing to ban frat parties and make them illegal then don't whine about getting drunk and waking up in a strange place with your clothes off. I mean that is the freaking definition of a frat party. Everybody knows it too. Please feel free to ban them and make them illegal due to the dangers they pose but until you do don't cry foul if you're stupid enough to go to one.

You're also assuming a lot when you say she was blacked out. She could have been drunk, gave said she wanted it, passed out in the act, and then woke up not remembering a thing. It would not be the first time and it wont be the last. How can you be sure of the testimony of a person who has blacked out when there is almost always memory loss after a blackout.

I've also seen where people do something they are ashamed of them later on say they were raped or forced as a way to deal with the shame. I'm not saying that this is the case with this case but it seems to me that the judge had all the facts and decided the circumstances were too murky for a stiff punishment. We the public certainly don't have all the facts due to the nature of the case. What's the point in having a judge if you don't let him provide judgement.

Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone just stayed sober and lived life like they should instead of doing drugs, getting wasted, and then blaming their misery on everyone else but their own actions? If the woman's side of the story is 100% true I feel bad for her. I do. I hope she recovers and learns from her mistake to avoid being in that kind of situation in the future.

Yet anyone woman or man going to a frat party and getting skunk drunk in a house full of drunken animals ... really should not be surprised at anything that happens there. I'm sorry and I know it makes me sound insensitive and uncaring even though I'm not. I've just seen it happen too often where the woman flat out lies later on to cover up the shame she feels later on for having done something she deeply regrets.

Let me be clear. I would never condone a man forcing himself on a woman. NEVER. I just don't think it's clear where force is used and where its not in a room full of sloppy drunk people.

Razor,

This is far too sensitive a subject for you to be spouting off without knowing the facts of the particular case you're speaking on.

Two guys were out bike riding and saw this guy on top of this girl who wasn't moving at all, behind a DUMPSTER, stopped him from continuing, chased him down and held him till the cops came.

If he wasn't doing anything wrong, why was he running?

They were crying while describing what they saw when they arrived on the scene.

While I agree that it wouldn't be fair for a girl to cry rape after knowingly impairing her judgement, winding up in bed next to another drunk person and then having regrets about it the next day that is not what happened here.

I've read through all of this and have a few thoughts. This is an example of really bad parenting.

When my youngest son was in 4th grade, he came home telling me that he was going to be suspended for fighting in school. After questioning him on the event, I find out that he was going to be suspended because he defended a smaller kid from a bully. I went to the school the next day and promised them I would bring absolute hell on them if they proceeded with his suspension. To make things better, the parents of the kid he defended also went to school to complain about my son getting suspended. When everything was over, my son was appointed the 'new student ambassador', and he took to his new job of showing new kids the ways of the school with gusto.

I know for a fact that if my son ever stumbles across an unconscious, helpless woman, that he would help her instead of taking advantage of her. That's what this punk should have done. I have managed to instill a code of honor into my kids, and I am proud that I have. My son is currently one of the fastest rising cadets in the NJROTC program in his high school, and they always have him as one of the cadets at veterans ceremonies or other high profile events. He's also a mentor for troubled kids that are in NJROTC. My only worry is that he plans on joining the Marine Corps, and that he will do the 'right thing', and all I'll get is a posthumous medal. He's just that type of kid.

The worthless punk that raped the unconscious girl is obviously one of those kids that have been raised to believe they are superior to others, and those others are only there to serve them or be used by them. He should be in prison for a long time.

As for the young lady in this story, no, she should not have put herself in the position where she could be taken advantage of. That is not victim blaming, but more of a warning and words of wisdom. If you allow yourself to be in that sort of position, you will find a scumbag that will take advantage of you. This particular scumbag is such a coward that he had to find a completely helpless victim.

The girl made some poor decisions, no doubt. However that does not change the rape that occurred. The guy should have been sent to jail for the time appropriate for the crime he committed. There is no he said she said situation here. She could not say anything.

wow, the entire family is jacked up.


Brock Turner's Mother Foresaw Public Outcry Against Ex-Stanford Swimmer in Letter to Judge

https://gma.yahoo.com/brock-turners-moth...topstories.html

The mother of former Stanford University swimmer Brock Turner anticipated the outrage her son would face after being convicted of sexually assaulting an unconscious woman on campus.

In an anguished letter to Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Aaron Persky prior to her son’s sentencing, Carleen Turner pleaded for mercy, saying sending him to jail would be “a death sentence.”

“I beg of you, please don’t send him to jail/prison. Look at him. He won’t survive it. He will be damaged forever and I fear he would be a major target. Stanford boy, college kid, college athlete -- all the publicity,” Carleen Turner wrote in her statement, which was among the court documents made public today. “This would be a death sentence for him.”

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A jury found Turner, 20, guilty in March of three felonies: assault with intent to commit rape of an intoxicated-unconscious person, penetration of an intoxicated person and penetration of an unconscious person. He was sentenced to six months in jail and three years of probation by Persky last week, sparking national uproar from critics who questioned why Turner received such little prison time.

Turner must also register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. He plans to appeal his conviction and is expected to be released three months early on Sept. 2.

In her letter to the judge, Carleen Turner insisted her son “has lived an exemplary life” and was on a path to success at Stanford, all of which she said has been “shattered” by the guilty verdicts. Carleen Turner's letter does not mention the victim.

“He has never been in trouble, never even had a demerit in high school, he studied, swam worked hard,” the mother wrote. “His dreams have been shattered by this. No NCAA Championships. No Stanford degree, no swimming in the Olympics (and I honestly know he would have made a future team), no medical school, no becoming an Orthopedic surgeon.”

Carleen Turner also described how the trial has “destroyed” her family.

“I know what a broken heart feels like. It is a physical pain that starts just below the collar bone and extends to below the rib cage, it is a crushing and heavy ache that feels like I am being squeezed. This feeling has not left my body since the verdict. This verdict has destroyed us,” she wrote.

Carleen Turner said she and her husband are a “working middle-class couple with Midwestern values” who had recently downsized their house to ease their financial burdens. Her two other children have collectively accumulated $150,000 in student loan debt, Carleen Turner said, because she and her husband were unable to pay for college tuition. Brock Turner had been awarded a 60 percent swimming scholarship by Stanford University prior to his expulsion over the sexual assault case.

“There have been many references to Brock being from a wealthy, privileged background and he thinks he is entitled. Your honor, this could not be further from the truth,” Carleen Turner said in her statement to the judge. “We do NOT come from money, rather the opposite.”

USA Swimming, the national governing body of competitive swimming, announced earlier today that it has banned Brock Turner for life from competing in events sanctioned by the organization. Although Turner’s membership with the organization expired at the end of 2014, before he committed the crimes, the move blocks him from being eligible for one ever again. Swimmers must be a member of USA Swimming to compete in sanctioned events, including the upcoming U.S. Olympic Trials that select the Olympic team every four years.

Un-freaking-believable.......

He is not the victim. He is a criminal who ended his life by raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster.

I seriously cannot believe that he and his family have tried to frame it like that. I'm all for standing by your kids, but if this was my son, he'd be doing the time he deserved.

And not one word about the victim. It's all about her son, and her family.

Weird. I wonder how she'd feel if her daughter were raped.

None the less, I wouldn't expect his parents to do any less.

Lets be real here.

Didn't read that so thanks for sharing that with me. An article I had read said she went to a frat party(with a freind), got drunk to the point of blacking out even though she did not intend to get drunk(her words), and then woke up after the fact. I hadn't read about the two guys rescuing her yet. I watched a video of them but for some reason I thought that was a separate case. Thank you for clarifying that it wasn't.

I wonder what happened to the freind she went to the party with. I wonder if someone spiked her drink and if they tested her for it. How did she end up there after being at a party? Did she go with him while she was drunk or did he kidnap her? Seems the friend who went with her would be very worried if her friend just disappeared.

Are we certain they didn't walk off together while she was still conscious but they were both drunk? Has he pleaded his case that way? I do find the fact that he ran off to be pretty damning but then again maybe he was just scared two dudes were going to beat him up or something.

I mean if he was really at the party and kidnaped her away to do with he wanted then there should be multiple people held accountable. People HAD to have seen him doing something like that with all those people around. Yet no one saw anything they felt they had to stop? Something here just doesn't mesh. I mean if you saw a unconscious woman being dragged away wouldn't SOMEONE notice? Her freind didn't go looking for her in a panic? No one was worried until after the act? Something just doesn't add up right to me. Either the girl lied, doesn't remember, or else several people had a part to play in her being raped and not just the guy caught with this pants down. If they conspired to let her be raped then every one of them should be punished. Those who saw it going down and did nothing should be punished.

If she was raped and its not just two drunks doing something stupid then let him hang but be absolutely certain about it before you do and punish EVERYONE involved and not just him. The difficulty in finding out the facts in the se situations is why I don't envy any judge dealing with a case like this where testimony is unreliable at best from most of the witnesses.

I don't blame the parents for trying. I just don't like parts of what he said. However, I believe it was out of emotion.