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ALLEN WEST: “President Obama, before you try that gun grab, I have a WARNING for you… So help me God.”

By World News Politics - June 13, 2016 630


VIA Allen West:

President Barack Hussein Obama, on behalf of true Americans, I want to inform you that we will not follow your unconstitutional executive order.

We the American people have no other recourse than to resort to civil disobedience. We have no representatives in Washington DC who will stand and the Supreme Court has failed us as well.

You have embraced violent protest movements in America such as Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter. We are not lowering ourselves to that despicable progressive socialist “rules for radicals” model.

We, the people, are just telling you “No.” We will now be sending you emails and social media posts as well as calling OUR White House to say one word, “No.”

And if you persist and take the same course of action as Xerxes, we will give you a two-word response, Molon Labe.

This is your final year as president of the United States so let us come to an agreement: you leave us alone and we, the American people, will let you stay and finish your term.

Heed these words of counsel. Our American blood is descended from men and women who rejected tyranny — so shall we honor their memory.

If you do not wish to honor your oath to the Constitution and protect us, we shall protect ourselves. And NEVER forget the oath we American Warriors take is to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign, and domestic.

I beseech you, do not come down on the wrong side of American history. Do not come out into the East Room and issue these executive orders, which you know very well are not constitutional. America is a Constitutional Republic, not a constitutional monarchy, and we are not ruled by edict.

We have a system of checks and balances, separation of powers, and coequal branches of government. If you cannot govern this Nation according to its principles and established laws, then tell us so, and kindly vacate the office.

Nothing you are proposing by this executive action has any relevance to recent incidents. You have released countless criminals and now you wish to restrict law-abiding citizens’ rights to keep and bear arms.

Go to your hometown in Chicago, take a walk this evening in Washington DC, or drive up to Baltimore if you want to rectify “gun violence.”

But as a proud gun owner, husband, dad of two daughters, the third of four generations of American combat veterans, a former Member of the US Congress, and an American, I am telling you simply, “Stand down.”
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Sigh...all this talk about Chicago violence, and Republicans not wanting economic reform for the inner city.

Sad we can't talk about gun reform with an immediate jump to "Obama's taking my guns away."

If I'm not wrong, Chicago has some of the strictest "gun control" laws in this country. Look what that's done for gun violence.

How does anyone put out "economic reform for the inner city"..........what does that even mean? It sounds neat, on the surface, but what does it mean?

And yeah, democrats are trying to jump all over guns right now.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/...-2016/82507210/
Chicago's murder rate soars 72% in 2016; shootings up more than 88%

Police said the disturbing rise in violence is driven by gangs and mostly contained to a handful of pockets on the city's South and West sides.

Ive been told its racist to point this out^. 50 dead people in Orlando meh Chicago destroys that number...with their own domestic terrorists.

He says he wants to have Australia style gun laws and you wonder why people bring his name into it when him and the lefties are on TV barking their same theme over and over??

I used to like Allen West but he has gone off the rails a bit...I dont remember if it was you or not but in a previous discussion I told you there would be a violent push back when the gov starts enacting things to violate one of our very rights this country is founded on.

Was told I was wrong it would be a fringe segment of our society...the nuts. Well West very may be right...its not about guns as much as it is about the control and power the gov is wanting to take away of our citizens.

I'm told that its a small percentage of Muslims that are bad want to cause harm...then why in the hell are gun owners not given the same respect and attitude?? Seeing how its a small percentage of gun owners committing the violence.

He is right, West that is...Stand down is right.

Swish, Lurker, CHS, myself, Vers and many others talked about how to address economic reform in the inner-city; all of us even pointed out examples on how to curb gang violence. Instead we get told "if they only worked harder", and a bunch of hand waving to the struggles of the inner-city.

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As for guns, don't we all agree something needs to be done. The government, for the billionth millionth time, does not want to take away your guns.

Show me the receipts to where Obama specifically states "I want Australia style gun reform in the United States.". I guarantee you won't find it.

Why do you live in such fear of opposing political thought? Never understood that. I make an effort to look at the issue from both sides.

Edit: Sorry, not directed just at you, Arch. Just thoughts for all the board who dig in deep on the gun issue.

Well it sure doesnt sound like it...and have saw, heard quite a bit to the contrary.

And I call bull on your stuff about the inner city stuff and great solutions..but maybe I missed it. but youre lame ass line about Rep. not wanting to help the inner-city is insane as your opinion on no one wants to take da guns.

Only solution I see is more money hey more money...we spend more on inner city schools then other civilized nations...yep need more money.

I grew up in that crap..maybe one of the worst damn schools in the country..and until the inner-city folks change their attitude and behavior towards education and learning...I'll throw in not acting like damn fools in the classroom...NOTHING
will work to correct it...no amount of money programs NOTHING.

They have a serious culture problem in the inner-city I know I damn well lived it...figure out how to get them to change their mindset and maybe stuff would change. I have a better chance of flying to the next galaxy then that crap changing in my life time.

Man what a sore subject have nice night Rocket

No.

No doubt. I am tired of these idiots.


I'd bet big money most of these idiots who commit mass murders and crimes in general are registerd democrats.

so I'm not a true American if I think this letter is crap?

Lol, this crap letter failed before the first sentence finished.

And surprise surprise, yet another thread bashing us inner city kids.

Which will then evolve into black people are lazy, blah blah blah

Let's not forget "if you like your insurance plan, you can keep your insurance plan" It's not like the government hasn't lied to us before. Forgive me for being skeptical that liberals don't want to ban the 2nd amendment. That's always been their endgame. They just realized they need to take it in smaller steps.

Where do you get all of that?

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I work in the system, Trust me, I know how it gets mismanaged. I'm sure CJ, Vers, and even Bard could back me up on the following points of money mismanagement.



None of us, even teachers who work for a school district, exactly know how the money gets spent. We have the per-pupil funding measure, but comes down to a raw "tax revenue divided per student". I know from andecotal accounts that much gets puts towards academic and behavioral intervention programs (some with good effectiveness, and others not soo much despite "research" showing they all magically work), and a ton goes towards testing that fails to measure all ways of learning for a student.
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Glad you bring the perspective of growing up in that environment(as does Swish and Lurker...but barely anyone cares to hear their tales as serious as they are), but a big point gets lost. Many argue minorities must work twice as hard, and I've come to realize the majority needs to work twice as hard in building a relationship. How do I know? Time to break out the Alaska storybook...

I teach in the Alaskan Bush. The location shall remain nameless, my place is tiny...we're talking less than 1000 people who live there, but I serve a population that experienced cultural genocide from missionaries. The oppression of "savage cultural traditions" sent many into a downward spiral. Tuberculosis ran rampant in the area, the Alaskan Native group got stressed, and the primary form of relieving stress (cultural dancing, subsistence practices, speaking in the native tongue) inflicted further physical punishment. Mind you this happened less than 150 years ago, too. Since then the missionaries wised up, and things are a bit better. We deal with leftover baggage from BIA schools; the kids got whipped or worse for speaking in their native tongue. Now the language runs free in our classrooms, and we're MUCH better off for it.

The turnover rate in the bush is high. On average, each district (there's around 17 total covering an area almost double the size of Texas), deals with a 30% turnover on hired certified teaching staff; one district deals with as much as 55%. The biggest reason for leaving ends up as "isolation, missing family, lack of community, etc." Want to know the biggest reason for staying? A sense of community, wonderful culture, great working conditions, and similar thoughts end up for reasons as staying. Quite ironic that the reasons for staying and leaving are the same. Here's why.

I started out here back in 2013. Going into this I wanted to learn. I wanted to learn about who I serve. Only through knowing the area would I best connect with those I serve. I made a concerted effort, thanks to wonderful people I came across in m village, to get to know the families outside of the school. Sadly I was the only teacher doing such things for my first few years. I'd eat meals with the families when I got invited, partake in traditional steam baths (look it up...each of the native cultures in the Bush has a form of this) with my new friends, and consequently got invited to tag along to fish and hunt. Doing all this did wonders for my classroom teaching.No classroom is ever perfect, but I can tell you that I didn't have the same problems as other veteran teachers.

Those who don't get involved in the community? They leave after a year or two. Three teachers, including me, came into our school my first year. The two who left didn't get involved, said "I feel lonely", and left due to those reasons. Three new ones came in two years ago, and all three were gone by the end of this year. The past school year we saw 5 come in, all five got involved, and they all truly wanted to stay; unfortunately two left due to circumstances beyond their control.

My point about how this relates to inner-city? We need more working hand in hand with diverse communities. Ultimately the dominant culture needs to go the extra mile to show care.
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Ultimately, our gun issue rests as a poverty issue. We want to cite inner-city violence as the main cause of gun deaths, but the conversation stops there. It comes down to blaming "oh those gang bangers....if they only tried harder!". Little does anyone know the plight of what goes on with the inner-city. I suggest serving in a soup kitchen, interacting more with others from such an environment, or at the very least watching The Wire.

And yes, I did all of my student teaching experiences (a good year and a half) at some of the toughest schools in the inner-city of Toledo, Ohio. I took the same approach, it helped me beyond words for Alaska, and taught works from Martin Luther King Jr, and Malcolm X within the realm of the Language Arts Common Core Standards I had to teach. They were all sad to see me go at the end, and a few said "you're not white, anymore."

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Disregard my experience if you wish, as just some "young white liberal kid who thinks he knows everything", or at least take into consideration the ethos I bring to this conversation.

Your choice, FB.

Look at the first sentence.

On behalf of true Americans.

He doesn't speak for me. So the only logically explanation is that I'm not a true American.

Also, are you and others once again talking about inner city gang violence?

So for the poster that put up the smoking pic, kick rocks. Everything I stated is absolutely validated by the post in this thread.

That guy didn't look like a inner city kid to me.


All I am saying is keep it real my friend....we all have a "rendezvous with destiny"

What destiny? What are you getting at Peen?

No.

My guess is he's referring to it being game night.

No what?

Read the post that started this thread, comprehension will set you free.

I dont discount your post or experience...but damn dont discount mine either. Ive discussed in some detail of my youth and how I grew up on here...and I typed something out for you and just deleted it.

I dont need to read smart ass comments from people about not looking inner=city. I hope I misread that one listening to the Trump rally and watching the Cavs.

Its a touchy subject for me..and may have responded to you in that tone. But man I dont need to go to soup kitchens..I lived in Liberty City..the Bricks. No knock on Toledo but go visit there or better yet teach there then tell me your viewpoint.

I'll end it here Rocket there is so much to this it cant all be put into a post on this board...and to be honest I'm not real comfortable putting all of my personal business out in an open forum. I feel Ive said way to much already.

I did misread I think...sorry Peen I think. My ability to get humor on a message board is lacking severely.

I'm way past caring about proving my life but this one I'd gladly appease anyone who wants whatever proof you want..name addresses pics whatever.

Still have my high school year books pictures name has it all.

Since I'm the one who referenced the problems with them I can only assume you meant me.

Swish I am one of them..I may not have poverty anymore but damn it is who I am just like you no?

If I ASSumed wrong Ill be the first part of what I made capital letters.

I just find it funny how when the country is doing good, nobody gives a damn about us.

The moment the country isn't doing too hot, were the first ones to get blamed for freaking everything.

Country tanking? Inner city.

Your mom missed her Sunday breakfast at Denny's? Inner city.

Terrorist? Yea..but those inner city people are the real problem.

Your girlfriend dumped you? Inner city.

You excited tonight???

Hey Swish I hope that was not what you got from my post man...I'm very intimate with the problems and have done what I thought was my part to make a difference.

You know one reason I get you on a certain level when others on here may not...I think is due to our similar life in my younger years.

You agree with that or am I off base.

I was till the stinking Warriors are coming back

bro i know where you're coming from, my post is just more of a general post.

my blood pressure is high, i dont want GS celebrating another title in cleveland.

Great..I enjoy conversing man.

There's a boatload of people - the vast majority of people, that don't live in "inner cities".

While I don't doubt the struggles of inner city people, I often wonder "if it's as bad as they say, why don't they get the hell out of the inner city"?

Hey, things here in the rural areas are tough also. But what we don't see is 2-20 murders each week, with 10-50 shootings each week.

But, I don't want people that have a "me or them" mentality living near me either.

Maybe if the inner cities stop voting democrat, they'd have a chance. Most inner cities have been controlled by the democrat party for the last 50 years.

Must suck to live in a world of absolutes, Erik.

Until the government takes the initiative to protect the civilian body, don't you dare come asking for our guns, Mr. Obama. IMO, you need to stay outta the country you're ruining, let alone stay clear outta the liberties civilians have, and have had since forever.

I liked the article. Thanks for the read.

Chicago, for example, has had democrat mayors since 1931. Detroit has had democrat mayors since 1962. DC has had democrat mayors since 1975. Los Angeles democrat since 1961. How is that for an absolute? See a trend yet?

Basic statistics states that correlation does not always equal causation.

We've been down this road before, but none of you want to listen, let alone acknowledge, what happens in the inner-city. Open up your empathy.

Open your common sense. Ignoring a trend that is obvious is just foolish.

Brilliant,,, disregard an executive order... Just brilliant.

I don't care what President does it. There is a price to pay when disregarding an executive order.

Doesn't matter the party or what the order deals with!

Senate inches toward possible gun control action


A long-running battle over gun control in the United States reaches a critical stage next week in the U.S. Senate amid signs Americans are more willing to accept limited restrictions after the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

While it is far from likely new measures will pass, the Orlando, Florida, gay nightclub massacre of 49 people and a suggestion by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump that something be done have fostered a different atmosphere.

While President Barack Obama was in Orlando consoling the survivors of the rampage by a gunman who claimed allegiance to Islamic State militants, the U.S. Senate moved closer to votes on limited gun control measures.

About 71 percent of Americans, including eight out of 10 Democrats and nearly six out of 10 Republicans, favor at least moderate regulations and restrictions on guns, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted from Monday to Thursday. That was up from 60 percent in late 2013 and late 2014.

As always, Democrats were challenging Republicans to vote for new restrictions and reject pressure from the National Rifle Association, the powerful gun lobby that has been known to punish politicians who thwart its will.

U.S. Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut and fellow Democrats set the U.S. Capitol abuzz by talking on the Senate floor for nearly 15 straight hours to demand that Congress act on gun control.

They ended their speeches before dawn, citing a Republican pledge to hold votes soon on measures to expand background checks on gun buyers and to prevent people on U.S. terrorism watch lists from buying guns.


VOTES ON MONDAY

The Senate is expected to vote on Monday on four proposals. One from Democrat Dianne Feinstein would let the government prevent terrorist suspects from buying guns. A second from Republican John Cornyn, the No. 2 Senate Republican, would require court approval within three days for a government ban on an individual's attempt to buy a gun. Democrats have said Cornyn's plan is unworkable; Republicans say Feinstein's might harm the rights of people wrongly on terror suspect lists.

A third proposal, from Democrat Murphy, would expand background check procedures to the sales of all firearms, including those online and at gun shows. A fourth proposal, from Republican Senator Chuck Grassley, would provide for law enforcement to be notified if a person investigated for terrorism in the last five years tries to buy a gun.

Gun control is a potent issue in U.S. politics. Republicans, who control the Senate, have blocked Democratic-backed gun control measures over the years, saying they infringe on the right to bear arms guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

Any bill would have to pass both houses of Congress and be signed by the president to become law. At his weekly news conference on Thursday, Paul Ryan, speaker of the House of Representatives, injected a note of caution.

“We don't take away a citizen's rights without due process,” said Ryan, the top U.S. elected Republican. “If you have a quick idea in the heat of the moment that says let's take away a person's rights without due process, we're going to defend the Constitution."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-guns-idUSKCN0Z21HX

I think the opening OP of this thread is hilarious. Obama has never threatened to use an executive order on gun control. It sure doesn't take much to freak people out.