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This isn't the murders of the Romanovs, or the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

This is on the order of us joining NAFTA.... it will reshape some things, but it isn't going to trigger any sort of global turmoil. Life will go on as always for all involved.

I didnt say there wont be periods of time when a country struggles, because all countries struggle from time to time. All the people freaking out dont understand knee jerk reactons. It is like Purp said, nothing but a blip.

Naw, I recognize the comedic value in white people complaining about white people lol

What concerns me is the lack of foresight on voting this, and how xenophobia drove a huge vote for them to leave.

Huh. Interesting.

I don't agree of course, but funny how you go "life goes on" with regards to Europe, but it's all doom and gloom when it comes to the United States.

All I've asked for is some consistency

Ok, I have changed my mind on this. My financial advisor just called and wants to dump all of my international stock. He is not a knee jerk type of guy, so its going to be BAD over there.

Well, when you got people foaming at the mouth to blame anybody for their problems, this is what happens.

Their market was doing good, their pound was strong.

But because they hate foreigners, the PEOPLE just created a whole host of unintended issues while trying to fix one or two issues.

That most argue wasn't even a major issue.

I would've fought for a vote for the EU to stay out of affairs such as those. But an entire pull out of the EU? Now finances just got worse, and surprise surprise, your neighboring countries hate you now.

Grass ain't always greener.

Scotland couldn't get it's act together in 1745, and they couldn't get it together last year. I'm fairly sure they won't get it together now. If England wants to fix Scotland, they should cut regulations on them drilling in the North Sea, especially the ones pushed by the EU. Aberdeen is in shambles right now, and that was the place to be during the oil boom.

The pound was over 2.0 on the dollar in mid 1992, and the modern EU formed on 11/1/93. During the formation of the EU, the GBP dropped to 1.4. The took the same hits as everyone else after 9/11 and in 2008, when the GBP was back at 2.0+. Scotland will be better off staying with the UK. I really don't think they care that much about Northern Ireland.

Trump is an idiot but, most Americans don't know the difference between the countries, GB or the UK.

UK = England, Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland
GB = England, Scotland & Wales

This is also why traditionally they do not put forward a national soccer team in the Olympics because they play internationally as their own separate countries (note the Euro 2016 Championsip currently happening) but, they compete in the Olympics as GB.

If Scotland, who voted to remain want to be part of Europe, they will have to have another referendum to leave the Union to do so. It could happen. I am sure those conversations are happening in the Scottish Parliament after today's results.

Immigration was a smoke screen and people bought it hook line and sinker. It is all about stirring up fear. We are seeing it here in the US too via the Trump camp.

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/23/12005814/brexit-eu-referendum-immigrants

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Give me a break. Your boy Adof Trump took the low road and fought them tooth and nail for building a wind farm claiming it would ruin Scotland and the view from his Golf resort. All while he was granted to build his golf resort on environmental protected lands for promising 6000 jobs. There were roughly 200 jobs provided.

Must be the same as the Nazis that didn't let them build the wind towers off Martha's Vineyard. Give me a break with the Nazi crap. The only Nazis are the globalists that want us all under one boot.

Is it your contention then that there are no actual legitimate immigration concerns in Britain? and by extension the EU?

You seem to know more about events across the pond than I, but I've heard reports in the past where there are areas that are "no go" zones for British authorities. If those reports are true, and those things are allowed to exist, that shows a blatant refusal to assimilate doesn't it?

When we look at other places like Germany, I'm kind of amazed that anyone would deny that they don't have legitimate immigration issues. Just a couple months ago several hundred women were sexually assaulted by immigrants and the govt's response was to create fliers on how it's not polite to look up a woman's skirt on the escalator. I saw a report about 2 weeks ago saying how public pools are now being segregated based on gender because the male immigrants can't be trusted not to assault female pool goers.

Even if these things aren't happening on a large scale, the minimal gov't response to protecting the actual citizens I think would cause many people to feel some sort of way about essentially unchecked immigration.

Immigration without assimilation is a recipe for disaster. Without assimilation there is no demonstration that a) you believe the place you are immigrating to is a better place and b) there is no demonstration that you are taking ownership of your part to continue and promote those values. Immigration without assimilation is nothing but a take over.

Have you seen a wind farm??? They completely ruin the beauty of the area. And that's before you start piling up the dead Bald Eagles

This is what Scottish and Irish leaders are saying:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pro-eu-scots-northern-irish-eye-uk-escape-182952141.html

Train wreck, station 5.

Eh, I disagree that wind turbines "completely ruin the beauty of an area". (wind farms, that is)

I have a huge wind turbine sitting 400 yards from my house, in a field. (no, it's not mine). I know it's just 1 turbine, not a "farm" per se.

I love to sit on the back porch, do a crossword, watch the turbine, etc.

If I head to Bowling Green Ohio on S.R. 6, there is a "mini" farm. The things look cool.

In Paulding county Ohio they have a true "wind farm". I don't want to sound corny, but it looks majestic.

Heading up to northern michigan, off of s.r. 127, there's a huge "wind farm". I love how it looks, and what it does.

(I will add - nobody that I'm aware of has seen reduced electrical costs as of yet. Specifically, the guy that owns the one behind me. Even with tax credits, state help, etc - hey, he's still got to pay well over $750,000 while the turbine only saves his business about $5-7000 a month.)


Just me I guess, but I don't think they "ruin the beauty" of a place.

A myth purported by certain media outlets to stir up fear.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-brexit-u-k-markets-u-s-markets/

Hmm. I guess that the UK will not have to go to the 'back of the queue', like obummer said in April.

Scotland isn't going anywhere. I've read forecasts already that have the GBP at 1.30 on the Euro or higher come 2017. Do you really think Scotland will shift from the UK to the EU to take a hit on money?

That's why my family in the UK told us to stay out of Luton, Leeds, Leicester, and other areas around London last time I was there. It must be that myth.

I know people who say "Stay out of Parma! It's the ghetto", but that doesn't mean it's true.

I've done my due diligence on these "no-go" zones. A bunch of sources debunked all these claims. Not getting into a source war with you, but nice try .

While I'm NOT a financial advisor or stock guru, experience has shown me, that to sell during down turns would not be wise. If you don't need the money right away (say with in a 2-3 yr. time), then this might be the time to BUY. I would wait 2-4 weeks, and after all the panic selling is done, then buy some more. This will settle down and people will go back to business as usual. I have learned over the years, that if I just left my stocks and bonds alone, they tend to go much higher over years of time. Of course this is JMO. I can't see this total destruction of International stocks.

Take it for what its worth

I would think it is a good time to buy. But this guy is genius so I respect his advice with regards to my particular portfolio. Which is probably different than other peoples portfolios. Do whatever is right for you.

Understand, Just thought I would share. I would do what he says then.

I do Erik. Scotland voted to stay in the UK simply because they felt being part of the EU was to their benefit. Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain as did N.Ireland. N. Ireland get a huge amount of money from the EU and that has helped maintain the peace. England, where the bulk of the UK population resides, essentially decided this vote and both Scotland and N.Ireland are not happy with these results. I think there will be another push for Scottish Independence and there is already discussions on the N.Irish side to leave the UK and join the Republic.

Swish said it best....this is the beginnings of a huge cluster.

The Great British Cluster....

RE: "No Go Areas"....

I have been in Luton, Leeds and Leicester. We used to use Luton airport for our European travels so I know it fairly well. They are not "no go areas". These words were used by Trump and both the British police and the ex-Mayor of London (Boris Johnson, who will probably become the PM by default once Cameron resigns) immediately responded by telling Trump to shut up and that he has no idea what he is talking about. These areas are poor and very Muslim and Leeds also has a large Afro-Caribbean area called Chapeltown, which is rough. There has been some concern with radicalization in certain pockets in Luton as well as Sheffield and Bradford...but, they are not "no go areas" like, say Camden, NJ, areas of Detroit or E.St.Louis. Not even close.

Rocket also hit the nail on the head...

European Nationalist such as La Pen in France, who was already anti-EU, is pushing for a "Frexit"/ France exit.

So, speculation of whats gonna happen is nice.

but then of course, Erik bring out his normal nonsense.

now, Erik saying the stuff about no go zones? not surprising.

Devil saying it? surprising, and very disappointing.

This is the last time i stoop to this stupid level and address no go zones. I'm speaking directly to Erik, Devil, and anybody else who wants these problems:

I'm sick and tired of your rhetoric (Erik) with these no go zones nonsense. somehow, you manage to throw that crap into every discussion remotely dealing with immigration, and then, you ONLY seem to target Europe, and THEN, only arabs.

i'm trying to stay as calm as possible because this is really infuriating to me.

There are essentially no go zones right here in the States that Erik conveniently loves to leave out. You act as if Europe is the only problem, as if it's exclusive to Europe?

here's how i know you either A: dont travel much, or B: have very little international friends.

I'm guessing both, because your post makes it obviously clear it's either or.

EVERY

SINGLE

COUNTRY

has a no go zones that certain people can't just walk up into. and more often than not, it's actually more dangerous for a SAME color/culture person than it is for somebody who doesn't know any better. and sometimes, it's just dangerous.

We have TONS of no go zones right here in America. PDX already listed a few.

hell even black people who aren't from those areas just can't walk up in there.

you wanna know what also counts as no go zones?

there's small hick towns filled with backwood "militias" that no minority is even safe to drive through, because "we don't take kindly to niggers"

thats a no go zone.

theres indian reservations that if you're white, you can't walk up in there.

thats a no go zone.

theres affluent white suburbs that when people who CLEARLY don't belong there, even if you're WHITE, you can't go without being followed/asked who are you and what you're doing here.

thats a no go zone.

there's places in america that even if you're latino, if you DON'T speak spanish, you're screwed.

that's a no go zone.

There's a city in germany that Vice did an episode on that's filled with nazi's. if you're from West Germany- yes, white people- you CANT go into.

thats a no go zone.

so cut it out dude. stop trying to single out europe and arabs as if thats an exclusive problem to them

that happens literally everywhere, in any country. and its not specific to immigration whatsoever.

so once again for yet another subject, if you keep rambling on with your rhetoric, i'm going to chalk it up to you willingly spreading misinformation.

your credibility keeps sinking like the titanic with me. at this point i simply can't trust anything you have to say.

stop talking about it as if it's exclusive to europe. it isn't. not even close. and there will ALWAYS be those type of areas all around the world.

but thats not even close to being a real problem with relations to this Brexit.

stop it.

I have no idea what you're referring to here, but... Ok.

man yall got me hyped up.

man, freaking ANY PLACE can be labeled a no go zone depending on who you ask.

got white people at school telling me not to chill in Lakewood because the heroin crisis is real bad.

bam! no go zone.

hell, i live in a damn no go zone here in East cleveland!! at least thats what people say. yet i see people of all color driving and living through here all the time.

bruh some of you guys fear tactics is ridiculous. i dunno what to say half the time with some of yall post man.

like, if i honestly listened to some of you guys and took it dead seriously, id never leave the house. i dunno how some of yall function being scared of everything and every place.

Too right and well said.

I am white but, being liberal I don't think I would be welcomed in some areas of America.

There are also many areas in this country that no doubt feel like "no go areas" for the LGBT community.

exactly bro.

oh, i forgot my favorite no go zone:

Colorado City. they literally have their little security force follow people in trucks if you're not from that area.

crazy ass religious people.

And you know what makes these areas of America "no go areas" that I fear more than pretty much any place in the world that I have ever travelled to? No, it's not the intolerance, racism or bigotry. Every country has that.

It is the sheer number of guns in this country and our attitude towards them.

And no, I don't want to turn this into a 2nd Amendment issue nor argument.

My favorite "no go" zones don't have anything to do with religion. It has everything to do with me being white.

Weird, isn't it?

No. Nor do I know the point of your post.

Unsurprisingly

Our Facebook wall and email literally did not stop today. All of our friends and our family were very much for staying in the EU. So, of course everything we saw was the horror and shock of what happened and the immediate fall out of trying to understand "what next"....

I think this was the best thing I saw all day and sums it up, perfectly.


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Some of my customers are British and think this decision is great.

Don't know if you've ever been to Columbus, but if you're black, avoid the west side and cities southwest of downtown. If you're white, you avoid the south side and east side. Not saying that I personally wouldn't invite you with open arms on the west side, I just can't exactly promise hospitality from my neighbors lol

Nah, it's not surprising. At all.

Also, I just want to say for the most part the people in Columbus are friendly. I just had the unfortunate experience in living in the rougher areas. Even the "bad" areas had some incredibly friendly people.

Sorry for the OT, I just don't want my fellow Columbus dawgs thinking I'm putting the city down.

I guess you don't believe the people that live there. My family flat out told me to stay out of these areas due to the 'no go' zones. Even the police call them that over there.