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So look, we all know who's running, so let's over the primary nonsense.

Anyway, I'm not understanding why the GOP doesn't unite behind trump. That's what conservative voters asked for, so why are the going against the people's wishes?

I just don't understand that. All this nonsense about Mitt running and such. I understand trump says some mind boggling things, but if that's who the voters asked for, the GOP leaders need to get on board. It's not like trump was forced down the people's throats. Bush was, walker was.

If you guys really want to stop Clinton, your leaders have got to unite the party. There's just way too much conflict going on.

I understand that we all kinda agreesd that maybe this is a good thing, but talking mainly from s campaign strategy standpoint, they got to get it together.

Trump on Mexicans Hijacking Planes

What if the public is so apathetic that nobody votes?

Sucks. Vote Gary Johnson.

He really hates Mexico bro.

Somebody will.

I think after the RNC, they'll start showing their support, or "support" as it may be.

Regarding bbrowns32 question about apathy, I'm completely apathetic, I don't like either candidate. In the past there have been elections where I voted in the lesser of two evils. That doesn't exist this election. That being said, no way in hell do I want Trump in there, so it will be Clinton or a viable 3rd party. I'm nauseated at that thought.

JR Smith seems like the best option at the moment.

We will see. I dunno if the RNC is gonna try to pull a fast one at the last minute.

I'm down for a national shirtless day.

I'm not a member of any party. But I have had discussions with many moderate Republicans. What I'm hearing is that Trump stands for very little that they believe in. Some are very offended by him and some even find him down right repulsive. They consider him a blight on the party. Something they feel may set the party back for many election cycles.

Let's take the immigration issue. Many Republican business people enjoy cheap labor. All people enjoy reasonable prices on fruits and vegetables as well as construction costs. So while in construction it has a negative impact on jobs, overall both Democrats and Republicans enjoy lower costs. So while a few in the GOP have spoken hard about immigration, actually few on either side really want it. Both parties have controlled congress during different terms over the years with nothing of substance being accomplished on immigration.

Most of the GOP realize with the changing demographics, that they must appeal to minorities and especially Latino voters. Trump is alienating them so badly, he is hurting the party terribly.

I know I have spoken to some moderate Republicans on this very board in the past who have addimatly stated that the GOP isn't about many of the things Trump espouses. I can see the difficulty they are in at this time.

I can't with good conscience vote for either Trump or Hillary. They're both well beneath what I believe a president should be.

I feel compelled to vote for Gary Johnson because he's the only candidate I can see that is at least of the character I need to see in a president.

JR Smith getting sworn in, crying his eyes out, flatbill and no shirt. I could see it.

That's what I always wandered bro.

I remember the big issue after the 2012 election, the GOP was specifically talking about their image as it relates to minorities and poor people.

Yet...trump happened.

Somehow I imagine this thread being much shorter than the primary thread. I mean having the two most disliked candidates EVER is probably not going to fuel the conversation.

The conventions will bring some action and debates later... bet this won't hit 9 pages.

Can't wait til in about 25 years they go ahead and put Obama on Mount Rushmore.

Watch all the softies lose their minds. Will be glorious!!!

While you're enjoying your obama delusions this morning, you have to tell me, what is a softie?

Clinton sought secret info on EU bailout plans as son-in-law's doomed hedge fund gambled on Greece

Hedge fund manager Marc Mezvinsky had friends in high places when he bet big on a Greek economic recovery, but even the keen interest of his mother-in-law, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, wasn't enough to spare him and his investors from financial tragedy.

In 2012, Mezvinski, the husband of Chelsea Clinton, created a $325 million basket of offshore funds under the Eaglevale Partners banner through a special arrangement with investment bank Goldman Sachs. The funds have lost tens of millions of dollars predicting that bailouts of the Greek banking system would pump up the value of the country’s distressed bonds. One fund, exclusively dedicated to Greek debt, suffered near-total losses.

Clinton stepped down as secretary of state in 2013 to run for president. But newly released emails from 2012 show that she and Clinton Foundation consultant, Sidney Blumenthal, shared classified information about how German leadership viewed the prospects for a Greek bailout. Clinton also shared “protected” State Department information about Greek bonds with her husband at the same time that her son-in-law aimed his hedge fund at Greece.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/...ml?intcmp=hpbt2

Some one who is soft.

And why is it delusional? They said it was delusional that he'd win in 08.

They said it was delusional to think he would get reelected.

Hey I'm enjoying the day. Bout to go flex of homeys in the gym talking trash about the squad last night. Friendly little weight lifting competition.

Obama is my animal spirit.

"Protected"

Why is that in quotes? This article makes little sense.

Anybody catch Gary Johnson on bill mahar last night?

Dude is really on it. I like him a lot.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-apparently-anti-000000428.html

I didn't post everything cause it's a lot of Twitter stuff inside the article.

But people are tripping. I highly doubt trump campaign intentionally used the Star of David, especially when you see the same damn symbol in the grocery coupon joints in newspapers. People upset over nothing.

You.Are.Killing.Me.Swish.

What did I do?

Rejecting your inner socialist and started drifting to the right again

I don't think I've ever seen the Star of David represented as a solid shape. I probably wouldn't look at the original tweet that Trump posted as having anything to do with religion. The Star of David would not normally be filled in; it would be more along the lines of this:

I like Gary Johnson as well. I'm really a libertarian at heart, I don't agree with them on everything but I do like the angle of personal freedom both economically and socially. Now the question of whether or not to vote for him despite him having an effectively 0% chance of winning is an interesting one.

But he just needs 5% of the popular vote to get the Libertarian party the federal status that protect Republicans and Democrat as political establishments. Money, infrastructure, status, et al. if only he gets 5% of the popular vote.

Lol, bro I've said this before, I can deal with the fiscal conservative stuff if they just allow me to do whatever the hell I please.

I like Gary's position. As long as it doesn't violate someone else's rights, do whatever the hell you want to do.

How can I NOT get behind that? Hell, he wants to cut defense spending, said last night he ate edibles 8 weeks ago(my kind of guy) and is for gay marriage, legalization, and other things.

People like to say weed isn't an important issue. Tell that to the thousands of Americans sitting behind bars over it. Tell that to the parents who need the THC oil to help their kids who have seizures. Tell that to the people who use it for PTSD and other mental and physical pain relief.

You know how much money is gonna go into the economy with legalization? Look at how much Colorado made. It's a win win for everybody.

Man, dude sounds legit bro. Until Clinton takes some hard stances on issues, AND Gary drops out of the race, than gary has my vote bro.

I really want him to get in the debates during the general election cycle.

The problem is that 5%+ of the popular vote would come mostly from Republicans. I'm more concerned about the horrors of Hillary than I am elevating the status of the Libertarian party. That can wait.

The only way Gary would have a shot without allowing trump or Clinton to win is if Bernie also ran independent.

Or something happen to trump and Clinton with the courts. Clinton is close, trump and all his stuff he's getting sued for fraud and crap...dunno how those issues are gonna shake out.

That's when all hell would break loose. We really need that, too.

This election is really pretty unique. I cannot imagine Bernie would run independent but there's still a shot that he could be the Democratic nominee (or someone else, maybe Biden). It's almost like there is a controlled strategy in regards to the leaks relating to Hillary's emails and the Clinton foundation. There's a very real chance that an absolute bombshell is yet to come. When would something so devastating be leaked for maximum effect? I would guess September, give or take a month. I'm not saying it will happen, but it certainly would fit. Wouldn't that explain Bernie hanging around? Wouldn't it explain Trump's relative nonchalance at dropping in the polls lately? Both of them are a lot more plugged in to what's going on than we are.

Gary would strip us the ABC agencies that do help many Americans and protects them against capitalism. Could you imagine 4 years without the FDA? Ugh I'd hate to think what we'd be eating then.

Trump is getting killed in the recent polls. To such an extent that 5% more voters still doesn't save him from being defeated by Clinton. Let's be real here. Most independents consider themselves "Conservatives" who do not identify as Republicans because of the quagmires of the Republican Presidential campaigns over the last decade. These independents wouldn't vote for Palin and McCain, so why in the heck would they vote for Trump? Barring a massive scandal there's no way that Trump would win.

Polls are notoriously unreliable this far out from an election and even based on that data, Nate Silver at 538 has Trump pegged at about 20% chance of winning. A lot can change in four months, from a disastrous showing by Hillary at the debates, to extremely damning leaks that falsify much of what has already been said on the record.

I understand what soft means, just not in the context that you used it.





OMG that is so good!

I'm going to use that one, thank you!

Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. The American people will speak in November. Do we want more of the same or change?

I am an Independent who thinks for myself.

everybody else also believes they think for themselves. So much for thinking you're a special snowflake.

I can't wait to see what haircut future Vice President Shumpert will wear during the Inauguration.

LeBron James in a Believelandslide victory. Probably wouldn't carry the Golden State, but could do well in other demographics.

The support isn't going to show (IMO only) for the two main candidates, though one party especially talks that event up and it has yet to show. This seems to be because support is lacking in negative ads telling you what is wrong with the opponent and that party. Nothing much to back in favor of your candidate's skills.

Point being, many voters I speak to or overhear think polls suck and get way too much value attached to them. We are, many of us, poll deaf. We are not so much voting for "our" candidate as we are, instead, voting against a candidate.

Vote!