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http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070606/vehicle_quality.html?.v=11J.D. Powers ranks ford ahead of Toyota in quality. Now, read into it what you will, but it speaks alot for Ford, does it not? And I hate Ford to be quite honest.
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They can print this kind of crap all they want.
I've owned a Ford and they are junk.
The unions need to stop worrying about insanely outrageous contracts and start concentrating on quality.
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Yeah! The working man shouldn't make wages that he can send his kids to college and plan a decent retirement! What are they thinking? 
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The problem is the 50% of union people that do jack at work not necessarily the wages although those are bloated as well for most of the people I have been associated with in my large, large, large company.
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its not really about that...its more about unions paying enormous retirements. Getting harder and harder. I don't believe that junk about ford. had several and they all suck. Toyota leads all makers in sales. Thats the true measuring stick. More people are buying them, regardless of what JD power says. GM is behind them. The reason being is their cars are better made and cheaper. They achieve this by all thier factories being cookie cutter and very strict in use of raw materials and labor. The also are non union. I work for a global part supplier. We service all the companies. So i have a pretty good handle on whats going down. I love going to our toyota plant in San antonio..trying to get there in the next week or so. I forsee a major technical disaster i must attend to 
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its not really about that...its more about unions paying enormous retirements. Getting harder and harder. I don't believe that junk about ford. had several and they all suck. Toyota leads all makers in sales. Thats the true measuring stick. More people are buying them, regardless of what JD power says. GM is behind them. The reason being is their cars are better made and cheaper. They achieve this by all thier factories being cookie cutter and very strict in use of raw materials and labor. The also are non union. I work for a global part supplier. We service all the companies. So i have a pretty good handle on whats going down. I love going to our toyota plant in San antonio..trying to get there in the next week or so. I forsee a major technical disaster i must attend to
for what its worth i have a GM and a Chrysler product, so i am not biased to toyota
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I just heard on the radio today that GM's annual health care costs for active and retired employees is $4.8 BILLION. Annual cost. That is an ungodly figure, and doesn't even begin to address wages, retirement, and all other production costs. GM will continue to fall back until and unless it gets its costs under control. Failing to do so could well result in something like "DaimlerGM" ... if they're really lucky. 
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I just heard on the radio today that GM's annual health care costs for active and retired employees is $4.8 BILLION. Annual cost. That is an ungodly figure, and doesn't even begin to address wages, retirement, and all other production costs.
GM will continue to fall back until and unless it gets its costs under control. Failing to do so could well result in something like "DaimlerGM" ... if they're really lucky.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.,those employees were GIVEN those rights under their contract, so screw g.m.
At least, that's what many would say. The problem is, those many don't realize that you can't get benefits from a company that doesn't exist, which will be the case soon with healthcare and pensions eating up so much money.
What ever happened to a worker looking out for himself? You know, living below his / her standard of living, putting money away for retirement? I mean, I'd love to have started working a age 19, put my 30 years in, and retire at age 49, relying on the company to pay my way for the next 40 years...............
It's a dream, people. Companies cannot do that, and I don't care what your contract says. (care to see why jobs leave this country?)
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I've owned 6 Fords in my 20+ years of driving, and 1 Chrysler.
My 1 Chrysler spent more time in the shop than all the Fords combined, and 4 of the Fords were bought used.
My wife's Toyota was in the shop constantly, til she finally just traded it in after 2 years, her Honda was reliable, although it had occasion electrical issues they could never solve, and her Nissan has been great so far other than a design flaw creating alignment issues.
So in my personal experience, every maker has issues, some more than others, and every one has bad vehicles come off the lines.
And I read an article like a year ago, that Ford was 2 points ahead of Honda in reliablilty, and even with Toyota in customer satisfaction. With GM close behind in both categories as well.
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LMAO!
Talk about "talking points"
Dude, there are people getting paid an outrageous amount of money doing a job that a retarded monkey can do.
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So,somehow the ungodly rise in health care costs falls upon GM and their employees? That's the whole problem here. You ish to blame the auto makers and their workers because of the FACT that health insurance and the "rip off" health care industry is shafting us all! Yes,their "health care benifits" cost GM over 4 billion a year. But guess what? Not so long aago,it was less than HALF of that. But,somehow we blame the workers,GM or some silly third entity because the health care community holds us all by the nads. Brilliant.
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So in my personal experience, every maker has issues, some more than others, and every one has bad vehicles come off the lines.
Bingo! Any company out there could put out a lemon. It doesn't mean the company's bad, just a particular car. I've owned Dodge's, Ford's, Chrysler's, and now a Chevy truck. I wouldn't hesitate to own any of those makes again. I teach in a somewhat rural area, and I just laugh at the old redneck arguments of "Chevy's are junk, you should drive a Ford" and visa versa. People think what they want to think.
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Dude, there are people getting paid an outrageous amount of money doing a job that a retarded monkey can do.
Well then why aren't you trying to get a job there. It sounds as though you certainly qualify to meet their criteria.
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I notice that the awards are for "initial quality rankings". That suggest to me that they're based on the quality of work being done in manufacturing plant and not necessarily the engineering that goes into the automobile.
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So,somehow the ungodly rise in health care costs falls upon GM and their employees?
That's the whole problem here. You ish to blame the auto makers and their workers because of the FACT that health insurance and the "rip off" health care industry is shafting us all!
Yes,their "health care benifits" cost GM over 4 billion a year. But guess what? Not so long aago,it was less than HALF of that. But,somehow we blame the workers,GM or some silly third entity because the health care community holds us all by the nads.
Brilliant.
What? Big deal that not long ago it cost less than half of the $4 billion. Guess what? Pretty soon it will cost more than twice the $4 billion.
My whole point is, contract or not, companies cannot afford to stay in business when they agree to pay for health care, AND pay pensions, for people that work 30 years, and live 40 years beyond retirement. Sorry you don't get that, but that's the way it is, pit.
The day of "living paycheck to paycheck" for 30 years, and then retiring and living the "golden" years is long gone. People cannot expect "business" to care for them forever. At some point in time, people need to look to their OWN future. Wanna guess why cars cost so much today?
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Because of oil companies in cahoots with auto manufacturers? 
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Because of oil companies in cahoots with auto manufacturers?
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Eventually the single payer system of health care insurance will be adopted by the nation. All but the poorest taxpayers will pay higher taxes but the total tab won't be higher than it is today overall.
Those union pensioners who are used to free health care will now have to pay anyway through increasing taxes. be careful what you wish for.
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So that explains why Honda,Toyota and Isuzu's are so high! Face it Arch,you don't save any money buying a Honda over a Chevy. But Honda is non union. Try again Bud.
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So that explains why Honda,Toyota and Isuzu's are so high!
Face it Arch,you don't save any money buying a Honda over a Chevy. But Honda is non union.
Try again Bud.
No, bud, that explains why toyota and honda are making money!!!! You know, profit - ever hear of that word? (isuzu I have no idea about, other than they make more trucks than cars I think).
See, pit, if you follow the thread, you would understand what we are talking about. However, since you seem to feel I have a "superiority complex", you fail to understand the discussion at hand and hence, you attack me. Nice try, bud.
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I think it might be the vehicle part designs are made with the thought that they can make even more money from people, if they break down after the warranty period (for most people is over 5 years). This results in steady income for Ford, even when they aren't selling cars and trucks.
I know that I paid enough money on my piece of crap Explorer, before I traded it in for a Jeep. I decided on a Jeep, after noticing that there were a lot of old Jeeps on the road and almost no old Fords (except 50's pickups).
Insane contracts ($40 an hour to change light bulbs) make it too expensive to hire more workers. Some of my neighbors who worked at Ford, told me not to buy anything that was made on a Monday or Friday. They were obviously wrong, it was any day of the week.
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Pit, I happen to drive a Ford and I like it... My wife drives a Nissan, and I like it too... but answer me this.
These folks have been making more than a decent wage for the last 40 years and the quality of American cars has been declining the whole time when compared to cars made by folks who you would argue are working for pennies on the dollar... so how is that possible?
I mean if money is the great motivator and the American auto workers deserve such a wonderful wage, why is their quality lagging? Wouldn't it stand to reason that if a guy on the assembly line is making $23.50 an hour here and $2.35 an hour there, that American cars would be made better?
Something must be making a difference if it's not the guys on the line.. maybe it's the engineers... are there cars just designed better? Could be part of it.
Could also be that American auto makers had such a stranglehold on the market for so long that they got passed by in the technology of their manufacturing process and now can't seem to catch up.... Could be a lot of other things too... but I'm curious as to what you think it is...
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that's not really the problem Pit,, The problem is legacy costs. By that I mean for instance. My father retired from GM. He was a Towmoter operator at a Fisher Body plant in Dravosburg Pa for almost 30 years. He passed away in 1983. Yet my mom still receives full benefits from the Union. I mean FULL benefits.. Way better than I can afford to pay for on my own. She still receives free legal advice, will prep, all kinda stuff. And GM is still paying for it.
These are considered Legacy costs. Something that Toyota, Nissan, Honda etc, will not have to deal with. Yet they pay the same, if not better wages in thier american based plants.. Also they provide outstanding medical benes as well,,
It's just that they don't provide them for Life. That's what has the American Car companies in a mess,,, Legacy costs..
As for the Quality issue,,, I think they are talking about Initial Quality.. Meaning, when you drive a Ford off the line, it's as good as or better than a Toyota..
What's that really mean,,,,, Nothing! When I think of quality, I think of how, if I maintain the car properly, will it run in 2 or 4 or even more years.. How much down time will it have for repairs etc etc,, That's what I think Quality is. Not how good it runs when it's brand spankin new...
I have a 1998 Chevy Blazer with 163,000 miles,, runs like a champ but the Tranny is about to blow. I've also spent a ton of money to keep in on the road. I have a 1998 Chevy Lumina LTZ,, Runs like a champ but I've put a ton of money in it over the years.
As a toy car, something to tinker with, I bought a 1992 Nissan 300ZX last october (2006). The car had 187000 original miles on it. Beat to death from an appearance standpoint, but damn if the engine and Tranny (both original) did run great. So I put in a new Drive Shaft (I wanted a one piece) and Brakes, pads, calipers and rotors and she ran like a top,,, But the body and interior was a mess... I had that done for me and guess what, she's looking and RUNNING good now..
To me, That's QUALITY!
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My Grandma still gets my Grandpa's Frigidaire (GM) benefits and while she's alive their kids and grandkids get the GM discount on cars. I'm very disappointed with my choice of car, a GM Saturn Vue. I realize $20 grand is nothing for a car and I'm on the very cheap end, but can't they build them so they don't rattle? Ugh. Oh well, only 5 years left on the loan.
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Yeah, I get the GM discount on Cars also,, as long as mom is alive that is. As happy as I am for my mom getting the benes, I'm sick when I think of the mess it's leaving GM and Ford and Chrysler in,, it is making it very hard to even come close to being competitive in the world market,, Thus you see recently that Toyota has passed GM as the worlds largest car company....
My father was laid off once,, I remember him telling me that something is wrong when duing lay off, he still received almost 90% of his normal pay and still maintained his benefits...
I'm not against unions,, not at all, but the union as it is today isn't nearly as necessary as it was in the 40's, 50's, 60's etc..
Just one example, Today there are Government guidlines on safety (OSHA) that weren't in place many years ago,, there's other things also but this isn't the place to discuss it.
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Pit, I happen to drive a Ford and I like it... My wife drives a Nissan, and I like it too... but answer me this.
These folks have been making more than a decent wage for the last 40 years and the quality of American cars has been declining the whole time when compared to cars made by folks who you would argue are working for pennies on the dollar... so how is that possible?
There's a VERY simple answer DC and once again,displaced blame is something I see far too often around here.
First.let me start by telling you,that untill the mid 90's,I wouldn't have driven a Ford if you threattened to stone me in the town square! I was an Earnhardt,General Motors,apple pie Burger King,Coca Cola kinda guy.
But at that point,I started buying and driving Ford trucks. Because let's face it,using a truck for construction work,by the time it's wore out,your trade in value ain't squat no matter what you paid for it. And Ford Trucks were MUCH cheaper than GM. So I made the switch.
But to the subject at hand. Why blame the workers for the fact that American Auto Makers were WAY behind the curve and designed inferior products in a fast ditch effort to close the gap? That's the bottom line in the whole thing!
While Japanese auto makers had been working on the 4 and 6 cylinder vehicles for decades,American auto makers were pumping out muscle cars,the 350,351 and a host of v8 motors. The only REALLY dependable and quality V-6 I can think of in America during the 60's,was the Chrysler slant 6. I mean the body would fall apart around the engine to the point that all was left was the motor and the frame.
So when fuel costs rose drasticly,American auto makers were behind the 8 ball. I know in the 80's,the GM v-6's were JUNK! Were they properly produced and assembled" Yes they were. Were they properly designed? Not on your life!
It had nothing to do with those "building the cars" and everything to do with those "designing them". Detroit tried to make a metamorphasis overnight. And they did a very poor job of it. It took them untill the mid 90's to really even BEGIN to compare to these foreign auto makers who were decades ahead of them in mass producing fuel efficiant cars.
Now if you wish to blame that on the American auto workers,you go right ahead. But it's very similar to giving a chef cheap ground beef and asking why he isn't serving you a T-Bone after he prepares the meal.
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Part of that "behind the 8 ball" is market.
People were buying those muscle cars in numbers, Americans didn't want the tiny 4 and 6 cylinders as much.
You can build all the cars you want, but if it's not what the market is asking for, you are wasting money. When the fuel crisis hit, people started looking for more economical cars, which the foreign cars provided. No one saw it coming in time. Just the foreign makers happened to have a product, based on their countries market that wasn't doing so well here but well enough to keep trying, until the crisis, then they gained market share.
Electric cars have been around for decades, but until recently during the most recent "fuel crunch" they weren't all that popular. Now seeing a hybrid on the road is commonplace, and I expect we will see more fully electric cars in the next few years for people with short commutes and such.
Down here, there's actually gated communities being built with everything, banks, groceries, theaters, restaurants, all so the residents can use golf cars and such to get around, and only take their gasoline cars when they leave the community.
The biggest problem I see with the unions anymore is complacency. Many of the workers do what is expected of them and only that. The days of going above and beyond, or going the extra mile for the company are all but gone in the American auto industry. The union will protect them, so they do not fear repercussion. Unlike those original union workers who the union was designed to help and protect, but they still gave their all.
Pride in the workforce in general is lacking in America, regardless of what industry it is.
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I see your points and for the most part,they expounded some of mine. Yes,America was buying muscle cars. And Detroit was supplying that need. And yes,Japanese auto makers had a huge leap on American auto makers in regards to fuel efficiant cars. That is why Detroit put out a "lot of junk" in the beginning. They tried to make up for lost time against the foreign auto makers and pretty much screwed the pooch at their early attempts.
My main point was that you can't blame the one's who were assembling flawed designs for that outcome. But rather the designs handed to them for assembly.
And I don't see all that much "change" in union work. Even when I was a kid,my dad talked about "hourly quota's" that were set for each job. And that by contractual obligation,that was what their job to do,was to meet those quotas. I mean isn't that why you sign a "contract"? To outline the responsibility of everyone involved in the process?
Let's face it,GM or Ford doesn't give you "incentive based raises" do they? It's pretty much set in stone. "You give me 65 parts per hour and we'll give you X."
I can't speak for all auto makers,but I do know at Chrysler for the longest time,that if you came up with an idea or design that the company adopted,you were compensated in some regard for it. But let me ask you,if you had a signed contract describing your obligations and you fullfilled ALL of your "contractual obligations",would you feel it is fair for people to blameyou for the faults of the manufacturing process in this country? Just curious.............
But I do feel you have a point about the unions "preserving jobs" of people who simply don't deserve it. My dad used to gripe about that all of the time. Some people who simply don't earn the right to keep their jobs,get their arses covered by the unions all too often. And I feel that's a shame.
But you see,these companies also bear some of the blame. Since the 70's,poor design and the use of "outsourced,inferior parts" have caused many of Detroit auto makers own problems. My point was,there's enough blame to go around.
And with each passing year,the designs have been getting better along with the quality of product they are producing. Now that the American auto worker is being given "a quality design to build" they are building it just fine. So sitting back and watching people try to blame those who are assembling flawed designs in the first place,simply isn't practical,nor is it an accurate description of the problem.
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You mean like the union guys who I have heard complain over and over because they only got to sleep four hours on an eight hour shift
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Yes GM,guys like that are ERXACTLY what my dad used to complain about. He understood that some sense of balance should exist and that the unions were simply going too far in many instances that threatenned all union jobs. He was a realist.
That's what cracked me up about the post above talking about the "long term costs" incurred by these companies due to "garuntees" they have made to their employees.
What "garuntees"? Each time there's a new contract negotiation,those now working,out of desperation,sale the retirees down the river on such "garuntees". And the companies?
Just look at what happenned at Brannif Airlines during the Reagan administration. (Reagan had nothing to do with it. He just happenned to be president at the time)
Brannif closed its doors one day,put up a new sign calling it "Brannif International" the next. Filed chapter 13 and did away with ALL union contracts. The Supreme Court upheld Branniff.
So in reality,there has been a legal precident set. Ford has been losing money. So don't be surprised if you see "Ford International" signs before long with non union workers there.
Now that a legal precident has been set ANY of them can do it. So those "so called garuntees" you have heard about,aren't worth the paper they're written on should a company decide to forgoe them. And the law is on their side.
So unions have no power anymore whatsoever from a legal standpoint. But everybody keeps acting like they do. Just a little research proves otherwise. They're hanging on by a thread and they know it. That's why you see more "concessions than gains". That's the "reality" of it no matter what many opinions may be.
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At this local glass factory, I knew guys that could get their 8hr quota done in less than two hours. I has since been bought out by a foreign company, and the retirees have lost a lot of their benefits.
The same thing happened at the steel mill in Midland Pa 
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I wouldn't be surprised to see GM and Ford merge in the next 10-20 years, unless either makes huge strides in the market, and to do so means finding a way to build cars at a lower cost than they currently do, and that means building them without union workers.
So in that aspect you may be right, we may see Ford and/or GM close their doors, only to reopen under a new name with a new philosophy. The problem that incurs there is registered trademarks can't be carried over, ie: F-150, Mustang, Town Car, etc.. And I would bet they fear losing those badges for the interim til the trademarks expire. Autos are an industry based on name. There's ALOT of people out there than can name models, but not the maker.
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My father-in-law was pretty high up in TRW Automotive back int he 90's. He was saying back then that within the next 20-30 years that there would probably be only 2-3 automotive manufactureres in the world as they would all need to merge to survive. It seems as if that is happening.....
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I wouldn't be surprised to see GM and Ford merge in the next 10-20 years, unless either makes huge strides in the market, and to do so means finding a way to build cars at a lower cost than they currently do, and that means building them without union workers.
So in that aspect you may be right, we may see Ford and/or GM close their doors, only to reopen under a new name with a new philosophy. The problem that incurs there is registered trademarks can't be carried over, ie: F-150, Mustang, Town Car, etc.. And I would bet they fear losing those badges for the interim til the trademarks expire. Autos are an industry based on name. There's ALOT of people out there than can name models, but not the maker.
Ford and Gm will never close their doors and start up under a new name. Why did Daimler sell 80 % Chrysler ? Because they are losing money. Just like Ford & GM. The auto makers from Japan don't have to pay out all the retirement benefits that the Big "3" do. That's how they constantly turn out a profit. I have owned all of the Big "3" and have had quality vehicles in 2 of the 3. I've owned Toyota, Honda and Nissan as well. The bottom line is that it all comes down to your preference and your opinion of which is best for you. Me, I prefer Chevy cars and Ford trucks. I have an 85 Camaro & A 91 Honda CRX Si they both still run great. It's all about personal preference. although you couldn't give me a Chrysler.
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My mother is in a similar situation as your mom.
You say this is a big problem, but what would these women do otherwise. My mother never worked outside the house. My parents believed that it was important that a parent be present in the house for their children. My dad died young and my mom was only 52. How is a 52 yr. old woman w/no work experience going to make a house payment, car payment, etc?
I'm not being a wise ass, but how can women in her situation survive w/out those benefits?
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Yeah, I know you are not being a wise ass,, the problem you bring up is very real,,
My father died at the age of 63. My mom was also in her 50's as well so I know all too well of what you speak. Without my fathers benefits, I don't think my mom would be in such good health today at age 81, So yeah I see your point,
The problem is, back in the day, your dad and my dad may not have taken the issue of retirement or death or survirors serious enough.. But then again, the methods of saving for retirement weren't available to them like they are available to you and I..
I have a 401k plan, I have other things Ive put in place to provide for retirement income when the time comes.. These are things that my dad didn't have an option to buy into.
So, I don't have a problem with my mom and your mom having these benefits... I have a problem looking forward,
There are women out there today that are married to men that work for these auto companies that will receive some of the same things that my mom gets,,,
In todays world, it's not right.. Just not right.
Today, if you work in a factory for GM you can get a 401, you can buy things from banks and insurance companies that will provide very well for loved ones should you die... In other words, you and I can take the responsibility for our own lives and the lives of the ones we love and wish to be sure are taken care of.
Our fathers didn't have all of those options.... SO yeah, I'm good with our moms having those benefits,, but if it were today and I worked at GM, I wouldn't count on those things to protect my wife,,, Things are changing....
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Thanks.........that makes sense.
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I'm not being a wise ass, but how can women in her situation survive w/out those benefits?
IMO-The sad reality is that these are the kind of jobs that MADE America grow. Without them,we slowly die.
When most EVERYONE can buy a home,the housing market rises. When about EVERYBODY can afford new cars,the auto industry flourishes and so on and so forth.
But as the percentage of people grow that can no longer afford these things,the less autos and homes that will sale. The less people who have health insurance,retirement,etc... the more social spending increases and our economy will suffer the consequences.
It's just the exact opposite of Reaganomics. It's not "trickle down" economics. It's "trickle up" economics. The poor economic conditions of the blue collar worker,will be trickling UP to a location near you in the not to distant future IMO
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