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Must be nice to live in a bubble. But I guess that's the only way special snowflakes feel special.

I refuse to play a definition or semantics game. I know what oppressed looks like with my own two eyes, Haus.

Economic opportunity, or lack thereof, oppresses a gamut of individuals in our country. Countless of times I typed out experiences of teaching, and building personal relationships with oppressed groups in this country.

Only through actual involved experience can your eyes get opened to the world. Reading Wikipedia, sitting in college classrooms, or keyboard warrioring with "fact" barrages on a message board accomplishes a mere surface level of understanding.

Get out there, and experience worlds much unlike your own.

The Whites oppressed the Minorities,
The Minorities now oppress the Whites,
The Left is oppressing us all.

I think the only solution to the problems in our Society is a Civil War.

Ever once consider the viewpoint of something other than wingnut information sources?

Where exactly do you get your information from Rocket? I'll bet it leans toward the left by reading your posts.

Oh but many people DO want unity like that. Not enough people do, but more do today than they did 50 years ago, and more will 50 years from now. We are far from being there but the quicker we teach our children about it the sooner it will happen.

Oh sure don't share the trip. Just leave me hanging here hoping for a flashback

Isn't that an affliction that hits you in the 50's? Oh wait...

Life experience, actually.

Nice try.

Same for me. But of course that is unacceptable to the Left.

Which I can understand. I come from a vastly different generation than most of you. A generation that sees relatively no issue about differing religions, sexual orientation, race, and many other hot button issues that drive a divide.

With all this came a curiosity on my part. I sought out much different experiences from those I experienced in my white middle class suburb. I thrive on the unconventional, embrace living amongst other than my own, and keep a constant attitude to experience that which many find themselves afraid to see.

I am a Minority where I live here near DC. My neighbors and friends are from all over the planet. So don't be so quick to dismiss the White Guys life experience as you claim to be so open and inclusive. You seem to be open and inclusive to anyone who agrees with you and equally as closed minded and racist towards those who disagree with you.

Rocket, meet the mirror.

You write very well and it follows that if certain groups are being oppressed, you should be able to explain who is being oppressed and why it is so.

Oppression - prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control

Sorry but I just don't agree that is happening in the modern day United States. Even the poorest minority in this country has access to a wide range of government services involving housing, food, medical services, etc. The welfare state is enormous.

Even the 'bad' schools in this country tend to spend more than $15,000 per student per year. It is possible that money is being badly mismanaged yet there are also many schools that spend less but yet still get great results.

Non-Asian minority groups have the lowest standards of entry into many colleges in this country. That is to say because of their race, they can often get into a college over a white or Asian student with better GPA and test scores. There are quotas for government jobs where a similar unjust phenomenon happens. There are no such quotas in private business, but the incentive for choosing diversity over simply hiring the best person is still there-- from fear of lawsuits to P.R. considerations to giving tax credits to businesses that hire minority candidates.

I have had many experiences in the real world. One such experience was having a job where I traveled quite a bit, including one that had me working in many rundown, poor neighborhoods in northeast Ohio. The mess that I saw was almost always due to lack of effort, not lack of opportunity. I'm talking throughout the day, during the workweek, you'd have a bunch of young, able bodied adult males wandering around, drinking beer on porches, not doing anything to improve themselves or their situation. Their house is falling apart (well, one of their relative's houses) and here they are, doing nothing. Probably getting checks from the government that I'm helping to pay for. You could take a drive through some neighborhoods in Cleveland right now and you could see this with your very eyes, today. Well today is July 4th so let's cut people some slack. But the situation won't change a whole lot tomorrow, or Wednesday, or Thursday...

I know this because I saw this every day, in every bad neighborhood I ever worked. I would see close-by businesses that are hiring employees, maybe not the greatest jobs in the world (gas station clerk, deli section in the grocery store, physical labor, you get the idea). Another poster on this board knows an employer who offers $15/hr to start in a warehouse job. Can't find workers.

I come at it from a different angle because I'm an internet guy. I've hired (or mostly tried to hire) many different online engineer types-- from web developers to programmers to social media types, that kind of stuff. I've written about this experience on here before, but suffice to to say that trying to find quality help is maddening. Like I don't understand how you can have a computer science major who can't build a simple website or write a single line of code.

All I would want in this situation is to find somebody who is reasonable smart and hard working, who can do easy to moderately difficult tasks that people could learn in weeks or less, for free, with readily available online documentation, to do it within an agreed upon time frame and that is remarkably hard to find. I actually thinking running a business is one of the most eye opening things out there and those who have done so know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't care what color somebody is, what their religion is, what their gender is, heck I don't even really care if somebody has a college degree because my experience has shown that it doesn't mean much, at least for the kind of work that I do. I just want to find good help, who will help me make money and make my work easier, but I digress.

All of this is to say that I don't find getting and maintaining a job to be too much to ask. Some people aren't computer savvy and I get that (although many people do sell themselves short; if you can figure out various social media sites, you could teach yourself to the tasks that I'm talking about but it does take time and effort), but even beyond that, I go to various stores and establishments that are hiring. I bet these businesses run into some of the same problems described above.

Get a job. That is the most important factor in avoiding poverty. Add to that-- graduate high school and don't have a kid until you are married. Follow those three simple guidelines and anybody is virtually guaranteed to not end up in poverty. And even then, there is a huge social safety net and poverty in the U.S. is not anywhere near as bad as it is in many other countries (98% of young adults have regular internet access and I've never seen a kid starve in the United States because he/she didn't have any food, although I'm quite sure it's happening somewhere).

I could go on and on about this and I have to cut it off soon but I will add one point: We all have our own life experiences and that seems to lead some people to different views and that's fine. But I supplement my own life experiences with a great deal of research (and yes this includes online research) as well as listening to and considering the points of view of many people I have talked to over the years, from school teachers to business owners. I try to think about things from other people's point of view. I believe that the best way to help people is to help them help themselves. Making excuses for people and telling them that their situation is somebody else's fault never seems to actually work. It just makes people resentful and plants a seed that it doesn't matter what they do, the system is rigged against them and those are two toxic thoughts. "Whatever the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve."

Thanks for taking the time to type that out.



Ever sit down and talk with those in the deplorable conditions you describe? Not saying this in a condescending way, but an honest question. Only through actual interaction did I start to understand what's going on. Easy for us to look at it through our lens, but I'll defer to Atticus Finch on this one.

Kids share much in the classroom, and much of my worldview comes from those I interact with. Many of the kids living in impoverished areas are eager to tell a story, but no one really wants to listen.

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I've chronicled experiences countless of times; gets tiring typing it out time after time after time. Now I start to understand how Swish, Lurker, and other must feel when always asked to "defend" African Americans. Look through my post history about bush Alaska, and inner-city teaching in Toledo, Ohio if you want to know.

I guess nobody wants to post about these string of incidents with cops blatantly murdering people.

I am still trying to deal with the lack of uproar over those kids being abused in those schools for being White.

Poor things, at least they're still breathing.

What really makes me laugh out loud is the thought that by saying Black Lives Matter, somehow, it infers that all other lives don't.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national...ticle-1.2700548


This is exactly why "Black Lives Matter" has come into being. This is a disgusting use of force against a man that was subdued. Even if he had a gun, he wasn't easily going to use it. But I've watched both videos and didn't see a gun unless it is the object some 5 feet away from him below his feet that looks like and oil spot on the parking lot he was killed in.

If this crap was happening in white neighborhoods, I can tell you myself, there would be a price to pay. The lack of value placed on the lives of non-whites in this country sickens me.

Threads like this white lives matter thread disgust me as well. You're insane if you think your "All lives Matter", "White lives Matter" or "Cops Lives Matter" is a good counterargument to this kind of REGULAR abuse suffered by non-white people in this country.

I will be the first to admit that much of this is cultural disconnect and semi-legitimate fear due to violence we ALL do to each other; but nobody can justify this kind of behavior on a daily basis. And I'm not just talking about cops, I'm talking about the systematic discounted value of non-white people to the point that the general population finds a way to justify this kind of brutal treatment and murder. Disgusting.

And when I say general population I mean it, I've seen plenty of non-whites take up the cause of self hating black.brown bashing in the name of the American way because they buy into the system. INSANE!

Remember bro, his gun was legal, btw.

And open carry is legal in Louisiana without a permit.

From what the videos show, there is no excuse for them to have shot and killed that man.

Dude, if a cop sat on my brother's chest and killed him like this... no way he doesn't get a life sentence. If he left the courthouse a free man, he'd be dead in hours.

Same with Tamir Rice, if that were my 12 year old shot like that they would have to kill me to keep me from exacting vengeance.

Now I'm not calling for that kind of violence, and not saying nothing like this ever happens in white communities, but nowhere near as often as it does in non-white communities.

I personally would not be able to stop myself from doing something. There would be way to much pain to be reasonable or to accept that they get away with things like this.

In my opinion, "Black lives Matter" is a good movement even if I don't like the way some of it's members have conducted themselves. And the cause that BLM represents is very real and needs to be addressed.

His gun wasn't legal, he was a convicted felon.

That's very true.

Now here's why I posted that:

The cops weren't aware of that, were they. Cops didn't know his criminal history, thus had no reason to act like that.

I just love how the media immediately trots out his 1990's criminal records... The guy has lived a law abiding life for 20+ years since then. But we need to smear him quickly to make this go away... systemic just like I said.

I'm glad you feel that way.

You also understand how posters would've responded to me if I had posted the same thing, right?

I just love how people here react with a judgement and we don't even have the facts yet.

In Louisiana the video shows the aftermath of the shooting. Did the officer tell the guy to freeze and place his hands on the dash? Then the guy starts going into his pockets and jumping around?

In Minnesota the police responded to a man with a gun call. The guy appears to be fighting with the police right up to the end.

So I will wait for the facts.

See that old?

40 does this every time.

When a civilian does something: they are wrong and need to go to jail.

When a cop does something: wait til all the facts come out.

Sure I do. And I'm going to get plenty of eyerolls for being so boisterous on this issue too. I will get discounted as a liberal tree hugging save the whales type.

Truth is white people are next, most are just too stupid to see it coming. This is what happens in Oligarchies, the slow enslavement of all people that are not part of the ruling class. Enslavement starts with creating divides, devaluing others lives and instilling feelings of entitlement to those not immediately enslaved.

They keep us fighting amongst ourselves while they steal everything of real value and live opulent lives.

When there is nothing left to ring out of the middle class, they will be treated the same way and being white won't mean a damn thing.

Point fingers all you want, I am older and wiser and learned a valuable lesson back in the 60's about the forming of Lynch Mobs.

That's the only fact I know about this case, he was breaking the law by having that gun. Who knew what when and why these actions were taken and should anyone be tried for it is all yet to be determined and these stories have a tendency to continue to change as more facts come out. If the police acted inappropriately they should be tried, anyone caught committing a felony should be tried. No one should be above the law.

I can vouch for you. I have never ever seen you hug a tree, or save a whale.

I got two feelings on this:

#1 - I too want all the facts exposed but I'm rational and jaded enough to know that the facts the media presents will carry the message that the ruling class wants told to the stupid sheep.

#2 - Since when do facts matter to 40? I've seen so many arguments from him that were factless or that fly in the face of the facts that it has become mind numbing. AND 40 really is the average american so I'm not picking on him here. America is in the matrix, lol.

40 and others like him truly believe they are on the right side. The system has taught them that this stuff is okay and it's how things should be. BLM is just a bunch of "uppity" black activist. Again systemic.

You're a good man GM.

Hell bro, they already coming for you guys.

The income inequality gap is widening, and I for one believe in the correlation with that in regards to more white people getting shot by the cops.

The government and these corporations, who are one in the same, has y'all distracted thinking the brown and black people are the proble, all the white they are sneaking up behind y'all readying up for the killing blow.

But I'm the bad guy for point that out on this board.

The media really soaking up all the police shooting ordeals. The video I seen eludes to nothing of what transpired beforehand. It gives the public a clear case of police exceeding their authority and etc which adds fuel to the already intense fire. I wish the public could witness these events from beginning to end, analyze everything and then point fingers.

As of currently though, that appears to be an example of cop needing to probably be locked in a jail cell. All JMO

They are already starting, it's just not to the killing point yet. That's why there is such a divide between conservatives and liberals. That's why Bernie and his followers were demonized.
That's why we are seeing the violence at rallies.

The divides are being created. You won't find infighting like this at any of the Yacht Clubs. But on the street and on Main Street especially, we are all fighting over the scraps.

I won't be a bit surprised if, especially if Trump is elected, things get worse in a hurry. If Hillary gets in, it'll just be a slower, less transparent process. That's really the only difference. A Trump Presidency might have Jewish Ghetto/Concentration Camp like changes... abrupt unsubtle change.

Systemic? You make that declaration with no facts other than a cell phone video? A man with a felony record - unlawfully carrying a firearm - resists arrest. Something bad might happen in that case. Yet it's automatically systemic because the victim is black?

Felony charges are difficult to get and are extraordinarily serious...so length of time having passed means very little. Everyone knows what is means...especially the felon.

That said, after viewing the video it sure looks like the cops committed a crime...one that may be called a felony. The police chief is visibly ticked off at what he's seen thus far. He is conducting a full investigation...there is a video and eye witnesses. It's terrible that the man died from the altercation...he did not deserve to die and the cops appear to have acted stupidly.

However, this appears to be FAR from systemic...as a matter of fact...it cheapens the TRUE systemic issues in this country. Felon...firearm...resists arrest. Systemic? C'mon.

You want systemic? Our DOJ is immediately opening a civil rights investigation in this case off of a cell phone video. Maybe some facts should be gathered before the DOJ feels compelled to stick their nose in the investigation and before the police chief gets a minute to interview the cops and eye witnesses on the scene. White cop kills non-white = instant DOJ investigation...now THAT's systemic. That same DOJ - after hearing 13 minutes professing Hillary's guilt - took about 24 hours to absolve her of the crimes she so clearly committed. Systemic. If it fits the narrative, it gets attention...if not, it does not get attention...regardless of facts or appearances.

Before anyone gets their boxers-in-a-bunch, it looks to me like the cops unlawfully killed the man.

That is definitely a matter of perception. Try telling 1 out of 4 or 5 black men how hard it is to become a felon.

I'm not a felon, but twice in my life I've faced felony charges; once for self-defense in an assault and the other for ticking off a rich guy who was buddies with the local city prosecutor (should have been a civil matter and was dropped).

So don't tell me it doesn't happen to good people. And I agree with the DOJ involvement point you are making, but that is all part of the BIGGER systemic issues. This is all part of the infighting, just open your eyes a little wider and you will see it.