Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,758
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,758
Yeah thats pretty damn low. Calling him out in front of the whole team like that and then escorting him off. What a bunch of creeps


Our honor defend, we will fight to the end, for OHIO! GO BUCKS!
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,864
BpG Offline
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,864
He is smart, being released is the best option for him,.

F Miami, they did him wrong.


That organization has turned into something not so admirable IMO.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
A
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
A
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,531
Quote:

Daunte Culpepper took another step toward leaving the Miami Dolphins for good on Friday.

Escorted off the practice field by a member of the club's security staff, Culpepper said he would not agree to a trade.

While he will not accept a trade, Culpepper likely will be released in the coming days.

ADVERTISEMENT
"I will not agree to any trade," the three-time Pro Bowl quarterback told the Miami Herald. "I definitely expect to be released."

It already has been a whirlwind week for Culpepper, who was told by the Dolphins that they were going "in another direction" at quarterback after the club acquired Trent Green from the Kansas City Chiefs on Wednesday.

Culpepper showed up at the Dolphins minicamp practice Friday. According to a report in the Miami Herald, Culpepper said the Dolphins told him during a meeting in front of the whole team he had no future with the team and would not be able to practice with the team, other than individual drills.

Culpepper left the field midway through the practice, escorted by Stu Weinstein, the Dolphins security chief.

Acquired from the Minnesota Vikings, Culpepper's first season in South Beach in 2006 was riddled by injuries, as he was limited to five games due to knee problems suffered while still in the "Twin Cities". The former Central Florida standout underwent reconstructive surgery on the knee midway through the 2005 campaign.

Culpepper now will join the likes of Jay Fiedler, Gus Frerotte and Joey Harrington as signal-callers who could not overcome the shadow left by Hall of Famer Dan Marino.


link




So we can have multiple Daunte Culpepper threads but only one Brady Quinn thread? (not a dig at you, just saying...)

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 164
T
2nd String
Offline
2nd String
T
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 164
BpG...The bottom line is that it is a business, as I am sure you obviously know.

However, I have often wondered why organizations find it necessary to ban players, soon to be released, from the practice facilities and escort them off the premises.

I can only assume the org. wants, said player, not to become a distraction to the team and learn to much of the playbook to take to another team. Any other insight?

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,864
BpG Offline
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,864
Well I know my business, if they decided to fire me wouldn't ban me from the complex until they did, in fact fire me.

It doesn't make any sense to me.

Trade for him, let him play hurt, he gets hurt again, then treat him like this?


It looks poor on their organization.

I fthye had traded him, and he STILL wanted to practice there..fine, that isn't the case.

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 164
T
2nd String
Offline
2nd String
T
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 164
Quote:

It looks poor on their organization.




Winning makes the mind forget.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,224
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,224
Quote:

It looks poor on their organization.





Did we not prevent TC from participating in team activities whilst looking for trade partners? I recall he filed a grievance but am unsure of the implications.


#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,831
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,831
Quote:



So we can have multiple Daunte Culpepper threads but only one Brady Quinn thread? (not a dig at you, just saying...)




Didn't notice the other thread..feel free to delete refs..


I know you need my permission to delete this thread.


[Linked Image from i190.photobucket.com]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,887
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,887
Quote:

However, I have often wondered why organizations find it necessary to ban players, soon to be released, from the practice facilities and escort them off the premises.





I guess if you pay a guy enough, it's ok to humiliate him in front of his teammates and the public...

Sorry, but there has got to be a better way to accomplish the same thing...


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 134
D
Practice Squad
Offline
Practice Squad
D
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 134
And last year i though Miami was heading in the right direction....they are making some pretty "questionable" calls if you ask me....


Notre Dame Hater since 1989
[Linked Image from img170.imageshack.us]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,795
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,795
Quote:

So we can have multiple Daunte Culpepper threads but only one Brady Quinn thread? (not a dig at you, just saying...)





You think the fact that it was posted at 8:43 on a Friday night has something to do with it?


#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,989
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,989
Quote:


Did we not prevent TC from participating in team activities whilst looking for trade partners? I recall he filed a grievance but am unsure of the implications.




I think we did not let him practice because the FO thought he might get injured then we would be accountable. Turns out he was injured "Bad elbow" if we let him practice he could have blamed it on us. Its all just business and lawyers


Joe Thomas #73
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,151
K
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
K
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,151
I think Daunte is doing himself perfect for right now. I mean, his situation, he has all the leverage. My favorite part of the situation is that he is his own agent. So there wont be any agent that can work out at trade for him and talk him into it. Its aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall up to Daunte, and Daunte only.

To be honest, I think the knee injury may even work out to his benefit. Since Randy Moss left Minnesota he's been less than stellar, not including the injury even. He's performed badly, with the knee injury, i think its given him more money and prolonged his career. I dont think he is that good, so this has given his QB career a longer life and more money.

However, with what Miami has done to him (which is sad, because i still have a place in my heart for them) I hope he gets his stuff together, and shows up somewhere and puts up Pro Bowl numbers to show Miami they screwed up and wasted a 5th round pick to get Trent when they had someone better there.

I think Miami is doing the right thing in going with a different QB, and yea, it makes sense to trade him so as not to get nothing for him. Its a new regime in Miami and they want the old gone. Much like we did. Its almost like we did with Kenard Lang, except we granted his request and traded him. Miami is doing to Daunte what KC did to Trent. They should learn immediately that treating a guy thats done everything plus some for the organization poorly is lame and that they should do things more professionally.

I cant blame Miami, but the way theyre handling this is very very poor. They should just grant his request and cut their losses and be on with their lives. Cut Daunte and move on.


"It has to start somewhere
It has to start somehow
What better place than here?
What better time than now?"
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
The problem with stories like this is they can be one sided. This was Culpeppers account....maybe the fins told him not to show up, but he did anyway.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
V
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
V
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
Yeah, we did that w/Timid and Tennessee did it w/McNair last year. I can understand that because if the guy comes in and gets injured, you lose out on being able to trade him. If Miami didn't want him there, they should have just said so in the first place. Escorting him off the field w/a security guy. Man, that's lame. And if the part about telling him that he wasn't in their plans in front of the entire team is true.........that's beyond lame.


"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
Like I said...that is his story. I doubt the Fins waited for him to show up and then make a public announcement.......who knows, maybe they did.......in the end, I guess I don't really care.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
V
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
V
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
So, why are you posting about it?


"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
Quote:

So, why are you posting about it?




Why not?? Saying I don't care one way or the other on if it played out as written doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on the subject.


If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601
D
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
D
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 601
Quote:

So, why are you posting about it?




Some people post just to hear themselves type??




Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
V
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
V
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,618
LOL.............you must think I am dumb, huh?

Peen, sometimes trying to be subtle is what makes you so obvious.


"What lies behind us and what lies before us are small matters compared to what lies within us."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
B
Legend
Offline
Legend
B
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,599
I don't think you are dumb at all.....but I think you are off base here....there is no veiled meaning in what I said.

I think we have Peppers account of what happened and think it might not be the full story.....and as I said.....in the end, I don't really care how it played out....nope...not going to lose sleep....for that matter, probably won't even remembered it happed a few days from now....well, I guess I will remember, but now we are back to me not really caring that it happened...



If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

GM Strong




[Linked Image]
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,887
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,887
Quote:

Some people post just to hear themselves type??





Hey Hey,, I resemble that remark!


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
E
Legend
Offline
Legend
E
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 17,475
"Calling him out in front of the whole team like that and then escorting him off. What a bunch of creeps"

He who laughs last - laughs best.

Of course Culpepper was seen leaving the lockerroom - WITH PLAY BOOK IN HAND


Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
CHRIST HAS RISEN!

GM Strong! & Stay safe everyone!
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,445
H
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
H
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 6,445
Quote:

BpG...The bottom line is that it is a business, as I am sure you obviously know.

However, I have often wondered why organizations find it necessary to ban players, soon to be released, from the practice facilities and escort them off the premises.

I can only assume the org. wants, said player, not to become a distraction to the team and learn to much of the playbook to take to another team. Any other insight?



I think the biggest reason is that, if Culpepper blew out his knee again (or had any other serious injury), the dolphins would on the hook for his entire 5m+ salary. Plus he would obviously lose the tiny trade value he still has and (I assume) they'd be on the hook for the medical expenses as well.

Agreed that it looks very classless for them to escort him off the field though.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,160
Of course Culpepper was seen leaving the lockerroom - WITH PLAY BOOK IN HAND

No one caught that...let's see what is reported when he signs with another team...
HA....thats like The Waterboy..

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 688
K
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
K
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 688
Culpepper seeks NFLPA lawyers' help
Click-2-Listen
By Greg A. Bedard

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Saturday, June 09, 2007

DAVIE


tradition can only carry you so far, then you have to start winning again.
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,427
T
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
T
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,427
Man, they really treat him like crap all the time, I'd be glad to get out of there asap if I were him.


Find what you love and let it kill you.

-Charles Bukowski
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
Quote:

BpG...The bottom line is that it is a business, as I am sure you obviously know.

However, I have often wondered why organizations find it necessary to ban players, soon to be released, from the practice facilities and escort them off the premises.

I can only assume the org. wants, said player, not to become a distraction to the team and learn to much of the playbook to take to another team. Any other insight?




Because if he works out on their facility and ends up tearing a bicep or injuring himself in another way, Miami is responsible for a big portion of his contract. Thry'll try and trade him after Saban ruined the team by wasting draft picks on a bum who wasn't good prior to the injury (yes, he had 2 great years - in a dome featuring WR that ran under the ball, he benefited greatly from screens to Robert Smith to begin his career. In reality - how difficult a task is it to throw to Cris Carter, Randy Moss and Robert Smith? Those guys went away - so did Culpeppers numbers.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
Quote:

And if the part about telling him that he wasn't in their plans in front of the entire team is true.........that's beyond lame.


Depends, maybe they wanted to clear the air and it was Camerons way of saying "here's your leaders - Daunte ain't one of them" kind of thing. NEw coach showing his power. When Parcells took over Dallas he told Darren Woodson - one of the top safeties in the game at the time - that he had to earn a spot in front of the team. It was probably Cameron's way of saying - "I control this team, here's the new plan."

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 805
O
OSU Offline
All Pro
Offline
All Pro
O
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 805
Culpepper knew last year his future with the Dolphins was in doubt. The 1st 4 games he got sacked 21 times. Saban pulled him. Now the new coach is saying he wants Green. Dolphins can't trade him because of his large contract,I think he's owed maybe 5 million this season. Maybe they will release him,who knows ?

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 164
T
2nd String
Offline
2nd String
T
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 164
Quote:

Quote:

BpG...The bottom line is that it is a business, as I am sure you obviously know.

However, I have often wondered why organizations find it necessary to ban players, soon to be released, from the practice facilities and escort them off the premises.

I can only assume the org. wants, said player, not to become a distraction to the team and learn to much of the playbook to take to another team. Any other insight?




Because if he works out on their facility and ends up tearing a bicep or injuring himself in another way, Miami is responsible for a big portion of his contract. Thry'll try and trade him after Saban ruined the team by wasting draft picks on a bum who wasn't good prior to the injury (yes, he had 2 great years - in a dome featuring WR that ran under the ball, he benefited greatly from screens to Robert Smith to begin his career. In reality - how difficult a task is it to throw to Cris Carter, Randy Moss and Robert Smith? Those guys went away - so did Culpeppers numbers.




I get why Culpepper was successfull. Clearly, a product of his environment. I do agree, potential injuries play a significant role in his being banned from the facilities.

I don't expect to see any more All-Pro performances out of him.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,849
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 11,849
Quote:


Thry'll try and trade him after Saban ruined the team by wasting draft picks on a bum who wasn't good prior to the injury (yes, he had 2 great years - in a dome featuring WR that ran under the ball, he benefited greatly from screens to Robert Smith to begin his career. In reality - how difficult a task is it to throw to Cris Carter, Randy Moss and Robert Smith? Those guys went away - so did Culpeppers numbers.




So im guessing that Leinhart would be a HUGE flop if he didnt have Fitzgerald and Boldin to throw too...

So im guessing that Palmer would be garbage if he didnt have Chad, Housh, and Henry to throw too...

So im guessing that Kurt Warner would have never made it to the nfl if he didnt have Bruce and Holt to throw the ball too...

Sometimes u have to give guys credit.. and some of you guys on here just can't do it.. its hilarious


[Linked Image from i.ibb.co]
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
Quote:

Quote:


Thry'll try and trade him after Saban ruined the team by wasting draft picks on a bum who wasn't good prior to the injury (yes, he had 2 great years - in a dome featuring WR that ran under the ball, he benefited greatly from screens to Robert Smith to begin his career. In reality - how difficult a task is it to throw to Cris Carter, Randy Moss and Robert Smith? Those guys went away - so did Culpeppers numbers.






So im guessing that Leinhart would be a HUGE flop if he didnt have Fitzgerald and Boldin to throw too...

So im guessing that Palmer would be garbage if he didnt have Chad, Housh, and Henry to throw too...

So im guessing that Kurt Warner would have never made it to the nfl if he didnt have Bruce and Holt to throw the ball too...

Sometimes u have to give guys credit.. and some of you guys on here just can't do it.. its hilarious




His first 2 years without Randy Moss

2005 - 7 games, 6 TDs and 12 ints
2006 - 4 games, 2TDs and 3 ints

2 years without the WR - 8 TDs and 15 ints

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,103
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,103
Culpepper's best season was 2004, when Moss was hurt for most of the year.

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
Quote:

Culpepper's best season was 2004, when Moss was hurt for most of the year.


You are right, 13 games played and 13 TDS (33% of Culpeppers TDs), that had no effect on Culpeppers numbers.

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
D
Legend
Offline
Legend
D
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
U seem like a knowledgable football guy ... well let me save u some time ..

your dealing here with a fella that has a great understanding of stats ... unfortunatly for him (and U guys as I hardly if ever read him anymore) thats about all he knows about the game ... and as I'm sure u well know that stats in football don't tell u much about the game ... u need to know how to string stats together and look at the ENTIRE PIC to have stats mean much at all ...

if u know and understand the game U hardly if ever use stats .... stats are the way folks with a minimal understanding of the game make points ..

now quit pounding your head against the wall with him (if u haven't yet .. u will shortly .. *L*) and get your ass over to the blocking thread and educate my dumb ass ....

PS .. i have a saying for Stats ... when u see it its meant for those that use them wrong (witch is what most do on here .. they throw out ONE SINGLE stat and try and make a point USING JUST THAT ONE STAT ... when there on a roll they use two .. *LOL* .. ) .. just remember that when u see my saying .. its not as simple as it appears ...

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
Quote:

U seem like a knowledgable football guy ... well let me save u some time ..

your dealing here with a fella that has a great understanding of stats ... unfortunatly for him (and U guys as I hardly if ever read him anymore) thats about all he knows about the game ... and as I'm sure u well know that stats in football don't tell u much about the game ... u need to know how to string stats together and look at the ENTIRE PIC to have stats mean much at all ...

if u know and understand the game U hardly if ever use stats .... stats are the way folks with a minimal understanding of the game make points ..

now quit pounding your head against the wall with him (if u haven't yet .. u will shortly .. *L*) and get your ass over to the blocking thread and educate my dumb ass ....

PS .. i have a saying for Stats ... when u see it its meant for those that use them wrong (witch is what most do on here .. they throw out ONE SINGLE stat and try and make a point USING JUST THAT ONE STAT ... when there on a roll they use two .. *LOL* .. ) .. just remember that when u see my saying .. its not as simple as it appears ...


Thanks for continuing to bash me on threads and bring no relevance other than your ridiculous arrogance. It's so cute that you find Phil Savage stupid for picking Joe Thomas at #3 over Brady Quinn (how's it feel to have people twist your views?)

Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,103
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,103
Sweet, arguing is great when it's not my butt on the line!

Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
S
Dawg Talker
Offline
Dawg Talker
S
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 848
Quote:

Sweet, arguing is great when it's not my butt on the line!


Sorry, all he does is bash people to make himself appear smarter. It's a psychological problem. (Like when guys see a hot girl and say "what's she doing with that loser" without ever meeting the guy.) He feels threatened by anyone who's not him, it's pretty pathetic.

Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
D
Legend
Offline
Legend
D
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,188
Everyones different Turk ...

Lienart has the INTELLIGENCE and ACCURACY to suceed .. much like Bernie .. hes the QB that I believe Matt is the closest to comparision wise .. with Matt actually being quite a bit more mobile .. but Matt is VERY INTELLIGENT and VERY ACCURATE with a FAIRLY WEAK ARM ... just like Bernie ..

He WILL be a SUCCESS IMO ( he hasnt been one yet dude .. *L* .. ) anywhere due to his Brains and Accuracy ...

palmer has the ENTIRE PACKAGE .. he has the accuracy/brains and a STRONG ASS ARM ... IMO he has the BEST OVERALL SKILL SET of any QB in the league .. Mannig is prolly better than him based on brains and being ever so slightly more accurate ... but Palmer's arm blows Manning's away ..

so he would be a SUCCESS ANYWHERE ... his team may not be SUCCESFUL ut he would still be a GREAT QB (see Archie Manning and Bert Jones .. GREAT QB'S with HORRIBLE supporting casts .. ) ..

Warner was NEVER anything better than an Avg. QB with a GREAT SUPPORTING CAST ....

Pepper is a BELOW AVG. QB that played with a GREAT OL and GREAT skill positiion players for a coach that was an OFFENSIVE GENIUS (horrible HC but an OFFENSIVE GENIUS) ... that had to score 35 points a week to win ...

pepper makes BAD DECISIONS witch means he isn't smart when it comes to what it takes to be an NFL QB and he is VERY VERY INNACURATE ... his two biggest assets are (well were) his STRONG ARM (still has that) ... and his MOBILITY (that is more than likely gone now) and he is also strong as an ox physically ....

BRAINS/ACCURACY are BY FAR the two most important things a QB can have ... without them a QB is SHOT no matter how good the other attributes are ..

PEPPER NEVER WAS A GOOD QB ... a strong armed guy with mobility playing in a situation MANY COULD HAVE LOOKED GOOD IN ...

sorry but its TRUE .... right guy in the right spot ..

if u look back I believe all 3 QB's that played for Green in Minn went to the pro Bowl and enjoyed BY FAR their best years in the NFL under him in that O .. Cunningham, Brad Johnson and Pepper ..

Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Culpepper Released.

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5