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I agree that Obama tried and had major opposition; but he also sold out on health care, sold out on closing GITMO, sold out on ending the wars, sold out on rebuilding the middle class...

Put all the lipstick you want on a pig, it's still a pig.

Obama saved our butts by guiding us out of the economic disaster created by Bush and Co., but he ran on "REAL CHANGE" and nothing else really changed, it just got worse. Obama care is terrible. Cost went up on everything. Food cost is crazy, gas is down but still out of control, utilities cost are too high... I struggle to find much "in my life" that Obama has had a positive impact on. I was much better off pre-Bush, and other than making an existence under Obama vs. losing everything under Bush, my personal life is not much better. Young people are totally screwed, the old have it tougher...

I just can't heap on the praise and definitely don't see a Hillary presidency being any better.

Wasn't perfect? Please.

Obama from the beginning showed no respect to the other branches of government. He rarely compromises. Clinton was a disaster as President, however, he DID manage to compromise even with an unloving Congress.

No other President in my lifetime so brazenly gave the middle finger to Congress and the Supreme Court. Obama "passed" Obamacare using a technicality and couldn't get his own party members to vote for many of his important causes such as an annual budget. He accomplished precious little while the D's controlled both sides of Congress. He has told the people that if Congress doesn't do what he wants he will use his "phone and pen" to do what he wants. I wonder how YOU would react to that if you were a Congressman. That would be the opposite of compromise.

He scolded the Supreme Court during a State of the Union address for not kowtowing to his whims and did not show up for the funeral of a sitting Supreme Court justice. No respect...actually...exhibited disdain.

And people wonder why he is so vilified...must be because his Dad was black.

Obamacare is a disaster...ISIS is running wild after Iraq was secured...our military is in trouble...our borders are overrun...the economy sucks...our vets are dying in hospitals...and race relations have gotten unfathomably worse.

The rest of the world loves the guy because he has made the US weaker and they don't have to live under his reign. He certainly isn't respected/feared by other world leaders...which is what matters the most to me.

People like me are not going to stand idly by while others try to re-write history. This guy has done precious little good for this nation and much damage through his actions or inaction.

I don't agree with any of that.

But I'm not surprised. You probably think Obama created ISIS as well.

And you're ignoring facts if you think Obama has disrespected congress and not the other way around.

I don't think he created ISIS...I think he created ISIL though. /sarcasm

You threw out some love for O without any examples of his greatest feat being "compromise". I told my side of the story in some detail. What specifically do you not agree with? It's ok to just say "all of it".

Nothing trumps O's statement that if they don't pass what he wants, he will create it anyway. Nothing.

really? cause i believe "we're gonna block anything he tries to pass" and "our goal is to make obama a one term president" trumps that by a mile.

as far as your other post, i've provided examples throughout the history of this board, but you think because i don't repeat it verbatim to you directly, it means i didn't sight any examples?

thats horrible logic. but ok.

obama tried to be as bipartisan as possible, he kept Robert Gates as secretary of defense, who was appointed by republican Bush.

obamacare? you know it was modeled from Mitt Romney's plan right? what is mitt? oh yea, a republican right?

no? yea, i'm sure mitt's a republican. the plan that republicans PRAISED mitt for, and based obama?

how about every budget congress has pushed through, obama has compromised and signed recently.

do you remember the "fiscal cliff" nonsense? it was a plan congress pushed, and obama let them have it.

he eliminated the capital gains taxes for small businesses and start ups, a republican pushed agenda?

should i keep going? or are you ready to admit you have no freaking clue what you're talking about?

disrespect of the supreme court? how? cause he didn't go to a funeral? even though you never complained about some of the other presidents who didn't attend a funeral of a justice who died?

also, the supreme court has had obama's back more times than not. even with issues that wasn't an obama agenda, it still benefited his ideology.

do you see a pattern here? you're not consistent.

but i'll keep going, because making you look like a fool is something i'm going to take personal pleasure in.

and Iraq was secured?

where?

WHERE? iraq was NEVER secured. your boy went "mission accomplished" while we was still and continued getting blown up left and right.

if iraq was secured, than my 3 Combat Action Badges must have be awarded to me out of thin air.

you wanna talk about disrespect?

i already mentioned how he got disrespected before even getting sworn in by congressional leaders.

how about the birther movement? how about you conservatives constantly calling him a muslim when the man is christian.

remember when obama and michelle did the fist bump? remember Fox news calling it a "terrorist fist jab"?

you don't remember that? i do. it's on youtube.

As i said before, obama wasn't perfect, not even close.

but the man accomplished a lot seeing the crap he had to put up with people.

just

like

you.

the man is respected around the world. the first black president is a huge symbol for the entire planet. it was a huge boost of confidence for the local communities, especially since after all that nonsense, he still got reelected.

haters gonna hate. but i get it, you'll probably vote for trump, cause we gotta make america hate again.

I'll address your comments after I get back from vacation...no time now.

Get ready to learn a few common points that you would understand if you could get past your hatred for those who think differently than you and your willingness to put people in a certain box - as if that somehow validates your point - the very thing you HATE when it happens to you.

Here's all one needs to know about O's stance on "compromise": If you don't agree with what I want to do, I am going to do it anyway. You can't beat that Swish. Read it slow...read it fast...try to beat it...you can't.

sure i can, and i just did.

i provided examples, and you provided your "im on vacation" excuse, even though you had plenty of time to write an essay prior to it.

enjoy your day.

Wow Swish, I can't believe I actually enjoyed watching you get
skinned alive by WSU.

Can't wait for vacation to be over!

40 stirring the pot... lol 40 you crack me up.

You can't believe you enjoyed it... lmbo

If I didn't know you so well and on some level like you, I'd call you out for being a troll. lol

No not stirring, I actually enjoyed it.

Defend the Lying Left at your own peril.

FBI Director Comey for president

Well he is a Republican after all.

Not to mention dignified, transparent, honest (or so it would seem) and well respected. All of which have been glaringly absent in leadership of this country for eight long years!

Which of course is not to say he's a conservative.

Not really.

So since he's all that, I guess his judgement can be trusted that Hilary is in the clear then?

Thanks for agreeing with the dems, C!!

I am a reasonable minded Independent who thinks independently. I do not think along party lines. Don't need to do that. Blind faith bears burdensome shackles on ones' soul.

Well that's what the GOP said BEFORE he said Hillary shouldn't be indicted.

Now? He's in front of a congressional hearing. Go figure!

If anyone is watching, Mr. Comey is being treated with respect, many claiming trust and admiration. Our system at work.


I am, however, surprised that Mr. Cummings has not thrown himself upon the floor in a kindergarten tantrum today!

You being an independent doesn't mean much.

You claim to be independent but walk right in line with everything the conservative leadership do. Your posting history proves it.

That's like me claiming to be independent but walking the line with Liberals.

Cut it out, you're not fooling anyone.

quote above by THROW LONG:

"If crimes as obvious who the perpetrator, admitted, like these ended in same day capital punishment, and if they were given all the breaking news coverage that the F.B.I. briefing yesterday was"

Trying are you what to say?

Comey challenges truthfulness of Clinton's email defenses

-FBI Director James Comey confirmed on Thursday that some of Hillary Clinton's statements and explanations about her email server to the House Benghazi Committee last October were not true, as evidenced by the bureau's investigation into whether she mishandled classified information.

-During an extended exchange with Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), Comey affirmed that the FBI's investigation found information marked classified on her server even after Clinton had said that she had neither sent nor received any items marked classified.
"That is not true," Comey said. "There were a small number of portion markings on, I think, three of the documents."

-Asked whether Clinton's testimony that she did not email "any classified material to anyone on my email" and "there is no classified material" was true, Comey responded, "No, there was classified material emailed."

-"Secretary Clinton said she used one device. Was that true?" Gowdy asked, to which Comey answered, "She used multiple devices during the four years of her term as secretary of state."

-Gowdy then asked whether it was true that Clinton, as she said, returned all work-related emails to the State Department.
"No, we found work-related emails, thousands that were not returned," Comey said.

-"Secretary Clinton said neither she or anyone else deleted work-related emails from her personal account. Was that true?" Gowdy asked.
"That's a harder one to answer," Comey responded. "We found traces of work-related emails in, on devices or in slack space. Whether they were deleted or whether when a server changed out something happened to them, there is no doubt that the work-related emails that were removed electronically from the email system."

-Gowdy asked whether Clintons' lawyers read every one of her emails as she had said. Comey replied, "No."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/james-come...bi-comey-225216

I'm still sitting here wondering how the hell that happened. How in the hell did TRUMP happen?

Not that any of the other candidates were much better really..

On the other side, I don't want Hillary. I would have been ok with Sanders because he's a good man, but his plan is flawed and would never have been adopted. So essentially we'd have a good man in the office that couldn't implement his goals.

I still don't know who I'm voting for. I really don't, but as each day goes by and I see both Trump and Clinton continue to act like the dogs they are, Johnson might just have to be the one.

Just go with Gary bro. Unless he drops, then I dunno.

The truth is to hillary as water is to Elphaba.

You want to know what happened? I can explain that easily. We currently have democrat and democrat lite. There are no broad differences between the two, and the left keeps slipping closer to socialism. Both parties want more government control of everyone's lives, whether that be health care, drug control, or internet usage. Trump is not a member of either established party, just as Bernie was not really a democrat. Neither party listens to their constituents. Add in a bunch of 'zero tolerance' laws and rules, and you get a ticked off populace that is more than willing to take power away from all of them.

Personally, I would like to see the entire current government voted out of office and replaced with new people. Oddly enough, it would only take 6 years to complete. I think both the democrat and republican parties ought to be abolished in their current forms and reestablished.

The party of personal responsibility blaming the dems for trump?

BS. try again.

I must buy you a clue one day.

I don't belong to any party. I'm saying that the irresponsibility of both parties have created the Trump phenom. He does not belong in either party, but he's saying things people want to hear.

The republican party has ceased to be the party of personal responsibility when they started listening to the democrats on what the republican party should be. People are really tired of quickly over the cliff (dem) as opposed to slowly over the cliff (rep) and want different.

Trump belongs to the Republican Party.

Remind me who's banner he's running under again.

When you buy me a clue, make sure you also get yourself one.

If you listen to the establishment, upper class of the republican party, he doesn't. When the speaker of the house will second guess everything the candidate says, it shows lack of support. Considering that Paul Ryan is pushing the same immigration that people currently don't like, who is actually representing the party?

He belongs to the party.

When trump runs as an independent, let me know.

Til then, you're blowing hot air.

The speaker second guesses him. And THEN he turns around, endorses him and defends him.

Trump is all Republican Party.

You really haven't been paying attention. Every time Trump says anything that is moderately questionable, just about every higher up in the republican party disavows what he said. That includes Ryan, McConnell, McCain, Romney, and others. The republicans caused this in part due to their 'wishy washy' behavior. It's hard to get a straight answer out of many of them anymore, as they are afraid of not complying to the politically correct standards that the democrats have set for them, which the democrats do not follow for themselves.

Just know the American people will not be "afraid" to cast their vote in November.

These politicians forget one thing while wrappd in their selfishness and greed...........we the people.

I heard the same thing in 2012.

"I'm not a Republican, I independently march to the right besides my Republican friends as all watch right-winged media and focus on the inner workings of the Republican party."

Really?
You're going with that?
It's the Republicans' 'lack of spine' that causes them to distance themselves?

How's this, for a more plausible explanation: they simply disagree with the crazy sht he says.
And if he's truly off the rails, there's absolutely NO reason they should be expected to have his back. None.

The very R behavior which seems to earn your disdain actually garners them a measure of respect, in my book.

Sometimes, people say things that are simply indefensible, no matter what politics you embrace. When that happens, nobody should be expected to defend their crazy uncle.

j/c

I have a bunch of problems with the collective of the Republican party, Trump has tapped into some of that for me. But a lot of it he has, at best, left untouched, and in other cases, made worse. I'm not going to lay out my issues with the R's right here.


You know what, this part I agree with. Some of what Trump has said is completely indefensible, which is why I have made it a point to not even try.

What gets me though is that on the other side you have Hillary, who is seasoned and polished and well handled and says all of the right things that her party wants to here.. but her ACTIONS over the last 30-40 years are littered with things that are completely indefensible... but her supporters are more than willing to ignore them and cling to her flowery words of 2016 as if that history doesn't exist or as if she has somehow changed and no longer believes all of those things she said and did throughout her public life.

you'll get no argument from me.