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Correct. I think I pretty much said that in the post you quoted.

Correct. But, let's face it, if a black cop shoots a black, it doesn't get the attention that it would if a white cop shoots a black person.

And, NO attention is paid to blacks shooting blacks.



I don't know. And I don't mean this in a negative way at all. Blacks, african americans, colored people........they don't catch any more flack here than any one else. 600 yards away from me is a family that adopted 4 black kids. African American kids. They have absolutely zero problems with police. None.

Swish has made some valid statements about his life. So have I, about my life. I in no way have stated that I know what it's like to grow up black. After all, I'm not black.

I will say I don't think cops are out to attack blacks per se. Maybe that's just my ignorant self thinking ignoramus thoughts.

I suppose it is.

I do, however, feel that if you comply with a cops orders, you won't get shot. The MN. incident withstanding.

Black, white, hispanic.........first of all, obey the law. Secondly, if you get pulled over or stopped on the street.......why run? Only reason I can come up with is you're guilty of something.

Sorry to be so blunt, and yet I'm not sorry. Some may try to paint me as a racist for saying what I said.


Hey, Chicago - quit shooting each other. Since it's pretty much black on black violence, it doesn't get much air time. White dude shoots a black person? Overtime on media. And yes, the headlines scream "white cop shoots black suspect". I honestly do not remember EVER hearing or seeing "black cop shoots white suspect".

In fact, in that scenario, it's "cop shoots suspect"......and when I read that, I know it was a black cop shooting someone (white, black hispanic)

And here we go.

We're talking about cops and black community, and Arch gotta bring out his tired ass Chicago argument.

Deflect deflect deflect

Who said anything about a Race war?
A Civil War man!

Considering this thread it seemed like a logical progression.

I thought we were talking about cops and violence. I also thought I stated very clearly what I thought about the Alton shooting, and also very clearly what I thought about the shooting in MN.

Perhaps you should read my posts, instead of assume?

Let me state it for you again, since your bias is beyond reason, as you yourself have said you hate cops and don't trust cops.

Here it is: The MN. case certainly seems like abuse of cop "power". I'm sure you would say it's because it was a white cop, and a black victim. Regardless, from what I have seen, it was wrong, no doubt. Sadly, a person is dead.

The LA case, with Alton - hey, all he needed to do was to comply. No death. No shooting. Sure, he may have faced a few years in jail for being a felon in the possession of a gun. Instead, he's dead.

Sorry man, I don't care what color you are, comply with lawful orders of the cops, you don't get shot.

You seem to live in a world where it's "black vs. white". Or, more specifically, "white cops vs. blacks".

I'd bet that somewhere, just today, a white person got shot by a cop. Maybe even a black cop. We don't hear about that though, do we?

Chicago? Come on man, it's a military zone. But the only news that comes out is "20 shot, 4 dead this weekend", or some variant of that.

You seem to be all worked up about white cops shooting blacks. No concern for blacks shooting blacks? No concern for black cops shooting whites?

Actually - maybe it would be better if, in your words the "black community" policed themselves.

Sure it does. But loud protest and civil disobedience works better. BUT that might get you shot.

PS Swish - A little sad that you don't think I would have your back bro.

It's great that you don't care.

Except you aren't in charge of anything. Thus, your words me absolutely jack crap to me.

Glad you added the "but". At least there is a slice of common sense in that.

Look, you can't have a Civil War with everyone laying around, sitting on their fences, growing fat and happy.

You gots to have uprisings like Swish is calling for. Once there are enough uprisings, you start picking up sides and it grows from there.

Nobody can agree on anything in this Country anymore. Negotiation and Compromise are dead. Now we are beginning to hear of violence, here and there at first but eventually it will be everywhere. Pick up sides and the winner will be the one who is right.

I don't care??? Sorry dude, you totally lost me there. Take your bias and your apparent inability to comprehend and stick it on a shelf. If anyone has your back, or a black person's back, it would be me. Sorry you can't see that. Sorry you're so blinded.

I know you would, man.

I'm just right now.. Tired of my people being treated second rate in this country.

Tired of these losers deflecting and talking trash about the black community, as if it some how justifies the interaction we have with the cops.

It's not related. I don't gang bang, yet my interactions with the cops is terrible. Nobody has an excuse for the cops then, but will defend them at every turn.

I wish minorities got the benefit of the doubt like cops do.

But you know how it is:

Cops = wait til the facts come out, not all cops are bad

Minorities and poor: we're all lazy, entitled, welfare queens, and we maybe broke the law so it's justification to get shot.
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I'm just man. Dude in Minnesota followed the law, and still got killed. And he isn't the only example.

So OBVIOUSLY it isn't as simple as "do what the cops say".

Yes, didn't you just say you don't care about race?

Stop talking to me

And OCD, we tried peaceful protest.

They responded by killing MLK. Talk about a peaceful resolution.

They? Wasn't it just one psycho, James Earl Ray? Or do you have conspiracy evidence?

No, I didn't say that. You read into that exactly what you wanted.

I don't care what race gets shot by police for no reason. Does that make sense to you? Or are you so blinded by race you can't reason and have a discussion?

Keep talking to me. I'm not one that hides from discussion.

Sorry man, I don't care what color you are, comply with lawful orders of the cops, you don't get shot.


^^^^^ you didn't say that on the previous page?

You have Alzheimer's? Short term memory must be terrible huh?

That's exactly what you said. And it's what I responded to.

Pointless bro. Completely pointless.

Uh........yeah, I said that. Can you tell me what is wrong there? Oh, you have 1 example?

Are you dense, or just a racist?

Psycho. Right.

I said it's great that you don't care.

That wasn't a jab. That means "hey, great you don't care about race, however"

If I have to break everything down to you, you're more pointless than I thought.

Are you stupid? Or just trolling?

Do I also need to post the definition of a racist on this board again? That would be the 20th time maybe.

Because clearly you don't understand what that means.

Uh........no, that's not what you said. But thanks for playing.

I'm not stupid, nor am I trolling. But thanks for acting like a jerk.

You think I'm pointless? That explains a lot.

Yeah, maybe you should post it again. Then look in a mirror.

It's great that you don't care.

^^ that's what I posted.

And now I've realized that I'm once again wasting time with you. I get absolutely no where with you. I haven't learned one thing from you.

Good night.

Oh:

a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, suprema

I never once said I was better than another race

Smart move on the edit there

I'm attempting my hardest not to get suspended.

And I, as well, have never said I'm better than another race.

I've been reading your posts since the old board in the '90s and I don't recall you ever even talking about race.

I never said you were, but you're the one asking if I'm a racist, then said look in the mirror.

I kind of get where you're coming from Swish, but you appear to be guilty of the same thing you are railing against. You say that cops don't care about black lives. You appear to be grouping all cops together based on a superficial classification. Sure, there are "bad" cops out there, but there are "bad" members of almost every broad classification of people. If you define an entire group by its worst members, you are just as guilty of prejudice.

I think prejudice is a much better word choice than racism. There is no black race, white race, etc. There is just the human race. There are terrible individuals of every skin color and profession. We should judge each person on their own merits.

Yes, there are prejudiced cops. There are also suspects that make poor decisions when approached by cops. I don't claim to know who is in the right or wrong in every situation, but I don't think there is some grand conspiracy for cops to kill suspects of color. I think these have been "isolated" incidents, but in the world of sensationalized media there is no such thing as isolated anymore. These have been undoubtably tragic events, but as far as I know, they haven't been cases of an individual white cop consistently mowing down black suspects. When something like this happens, it has been being addressed. If it ever was being swept under the rug, it doesn't seem to be any more.

White Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter, Cops Lives Matter- All these seem to really do is form battle lines. Until we get to a place as a society where we can see that every life matters, we're sabotaging our progress. There is no group that is intrinsically better. Everyone is an individual person. Each is different and unique. Yet, in that uniqueness, we are the same.

2 officers now shot in Dallas.

The world has lost it freakin mind! OMG.

I just finished watching the videos about Minnesota, had not seen what happened there and I come to the board, now they are shooting cops in Dallas.

SMDH

Active shooter situation, reports are saying shooter in a hotel (Omni Hotel I think they said, but unconfirmed). Showing it live on CNN, they also say 6 officers hit so far and they are being targeted. Only 2 confirmed shot but reports are saying 6 injured.

Sad and Pathetic.

I get home from the Indians game, and I just read all these reports. I'm continuing my sabbatical from political discussions, but I'm sure glad I'm headed back up to the village at the end of the month.

For 200+ years.


And we wonder why there is an ideological/reality disconnect between folks who grew up in Swish's America and folks who grew up in 40's America.

These talks pain me in ways that most of you cannot even fathom. I was born of similar ethic background as our President. I was raised by a police officer. Away from my home town, I was harassed, profiled and targeted from age 12 through about age 40. I looked up to cops as a kid, then began to mistrust and even fear them once I reached adolescence. What changed in my life, for there to be a complete 180° shift? It wasn't my parents. It wasn't my personality. It wasn't my address. It was my experiences outside the home when interacting with law enforcement. My own life experience tells the story: when a Black male stops being a little kid, he is treated differently. By teachers. By strangers. By store clerks.

By cops.


And the pressure starts to build.


Singled out in school.
Used as 'disciplinary examples' in front of the entire class.
Followed in department stores.
Eyed with suspicion by strangers on the street.
Avoided in or at elevators.
Seeing ladies pull up their handbags from their sides, and clutch them to their chests.
Stopped by uniforms for no apparent reason- and asked, "where are you going? What is your business there? Who are you seeing?"

Every single week of your life.
For decades.

So, when posters say things about Swish like: "Swish has gone off the deep end," there is a part of me that totally understands why he feels as he does. Lord knows I've felt pushed to the brink more than once in my lifetime. Does that make us both crazy? When two people who have never met, two people separated by geography, generation, different family backgrounds and completely different life experiences both describe the same thing in almost exactly the same terms, wouldn't a reasonable person begin to ask themselves if there isn't something to what they're telling you?

It also goes a long way toward explaining how Swish (or I) can look at the same footage as other Dawg Talkers, and come away with completely different impressions than they.

Me? I was lucky. I was trained by My Pops on how to deal with street stops when I was 7 or 8... and was drilled regularly by him into my HS years. And even then, I was lucky beyond that, because that protocol didn't save my ass from an impending late-night beat-down that was definitely coming my way... only another more seasoned cop rolling up on the scene saved me that night.

So... I'd like to say that I'm split down the middle in cases like these- but that would be disingenuous of me. In truth: I see these scenes, and my heart races. My temples throb. I feel an immediate 'adrenaline dump,' and I get that acrid 'panic taste' in the back of my throat. It's an instantaneous 'fight or flight' response that I can barely control, in the safety of my own house.

Because I know that on any day, at any time, that man in the street with 4 holes in his chest could be me... even if I follow My Pops' Protocol and do EVERYTHING right.

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I want the entire board to hear me when I say this:

We have been telling America these accounts since before the Emancipation Proclamation, only to find that our real-life stories fall upon deaf ears. Or worse- they are discounted/argued with by a public that simply doesn't want to hear us or acknowledge the veracity of our claims.

From homeless street people in NYC selling 'loosies,' to HS graduates in Ferguson MO, to guys in police vans in Balto, to ex-military guys like Swish to college-educated musicians/academics like Clem, to 70-year old Harvard professors like Henry Louis Gates... this happens all the freakking time in our country. ALL. THE. TIME.

And every time... every blessed, cursed single time, we're met with a deafening chorus of resistance, incredulity and obfuscation from the very people who are most empowered to help their fellow citizens- ordinary, everyday White People who say they believe in justice, equality and fairness.

The only difference between now and those days when I was getting routinely rousted on the streets is this: cell phones with cameras. And STILL the footage is met with "what happened BEFORE the camera was turned on?"

I could tell you from experience (because there really IS a pattern that is used...), but you'd just argue with me further.

In most ways, and in most daily-life issues, I'm no different than any of you. I try to be the best friend/neighbor/citizen I can be. I'm kind and pleasant to strangers. I still hold doors for ladies/elderly. I follow the law, pay my bills, and try to make the world a little bit better one encounter at a time. But do not be mistaken: All of those personal traits I just described could amount to absolutely nothing when I get 'blipped'... and I consider my life to be in potential jeopardy every time I look into a mirror and see flashing lights.

That reaction is reinforced by 200+ years of classical conditioning.

My America has been a little different than yours.

tonights news said a Man near Cincinnati, was arrested for attempting a terrorist attack. Agents had followed him for over a year.

I see the usual cheerleaders liked this post.

You can say whatever you want. Im only playing by societal rules here in America.

And societal rules says judge based off a whole group.

You never once checked anybody on this board who lumps all of us together. Not once. Cjrae has lumped all the poor people as lazy and entitled. Plenty of posters has at some point or another lumped blacks together.

Trump supporters clearly support him lumping Latinos together, and that says something about the people that defend him.

People on this board constantly lump middle easterns and Muslims together.

But you don't check them on that, right?

See, that's the double standards I'm talking about. I'm suppose to be the better man while people on this board, AND in the real world trash my people left and right?

Do as I say, not as I do, right?

Sorry but your post just confirmed that to me. As a minority, I have to be freaking perfect everyday of the damn week. One screw up, however minor, and the whole crew is judged.

But not whites. Not cops. Wait til the facts come out. Oh, he had a mental disorder. Oh, he reached for my gun, I was scared for my life.

People in this country by the MASSES has no problem lumping us together, yet I'm suppose to be better?

Tell me Grimm, where has being the better person gotten the black community in this country?

Exactly. No where.

We tried peaceful protest. Doesn't work. We tried talking to American society. Doesn't work. We tried being into politics. Some have made the argument that being political has exactly made things worse.

I crossed my T's, dotted my i's.

And guess what? It's gotten me nowhere as a far a societal standing. At the end of the day, I'm a minority in America. I'm a black man in America. I'm second class.

That's how we get treated on a daily basis.

Yet you expect me to try and act better?

I'll stop lumping people together when they stop doing it to us. When my people stop getting murdered in the streets by these KKK members dressed as cops. When people stop treating our community like a quarantine zone.

The society YOUR ancestors built wasn't made for me. It wasn't made for black men

Your people had the damn nerve to stand up there and say all men are created equal while you had my ancestors in damn chains.

You had our bodies hanging from trees while all we wanted was an education and a chance to love free.

You had Jim Crow laws and killed our leader, MLK. You threw bricks at the back of our heads for wanting to go to college.

Your COPS unleashed freaking DOGS on us. You sprayed us with fire hoses.

You pushed us into the projects. You experimented on my people with syphillis.

The justice system isn't meant for us. The drug laws target minorities, which is why blacks get more jail time than whites, even if the same crime with similar criminal history was committed.

Yet you got the nerve to say I'm guilty of something?

The cops have been against us since we were freed.

Your precious cops ain't got the TRACK RECORD for you to even DARE ask me not to lump them all together.

They have been our enemy since day one. They don't protect and serve our community. They enslave and punish. They are our oppressors. They are the modern day version of the Slave master with the whip.

And if your support them, you're part of the problem, and you are my enemy.

We are at war. Screw anybody that's against us. You and others don't want to protect us?

Fine, we will do it ourselves. American society taught us that the ONLY way things change is through violence.

If that's what it takes, then so be it.