DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Browns RB Isaiah Crowell shares, deletes image of cop's throat being slit

Really It's posted on this forum. Don't fool yourself.

1) I'm not sure this site gets 1 million users. 2) Can you find me an impressionable youth on this forum? I'd bet the age of the average user on here is probably around 30, with the average age of posters being a few years older than that.

If we continue this, "he did it outta anger" and "was caught up in the emotions", then those excuses will be more frequent for such an actions. Those excuses will be the backbone for negativity activity.

Step on my glasses, I'll forgive you. Call me a bad name, I'll forgive you. Heck, even take something that doesn't belong to you, I'll forgive you. We all do stupid things that afterwards, we beat ourselves up over. I know I definitely have, for sure.

Isiah's choice, at this current moment in time with all the racial tension, and it doesn't matter before or after Dallas - is unacceptable. There's certain topics you slap the zero tolerance policy on, and for me and maybe me only - a pic of a cop getting his throat slit is one to fall into that category.

He'll be a member of our team still, but I won't be cheering for him on GameDay. I absolutely don't crucify anyone willing to forgive a young man, though.

I just can't, not with something like this at a time like this. He'll need to live up to his actions, and maybe his post actions can someday buy my forgiveness. It's a huge maybe.

He called the police chief and apologized. A start to a long, perhaps Neverending, road.

Whole post is entirely jmo.

Dude, it was on Yahoo's front page.

Millions have seen it. And truthfully, the more "press" it gets, the more people will see it.

It was a dumb thing to post. Crow probably knew it at the time, but he definitely knows it now.

And I can almost guarantee he's not the only one that posted it.

I don't think for a minute he posted it as something trying to incite violence.

It was dumb to post. For anyone, but more so for someone with a little bit of "name"/fame.

He posted it, he removed it. He apologized, whether the words were his or not.

Move along folks.

Oh, and Crow - I bet you don't get a warning if you're pulled over for speeding next time.

I remember, following 9/11, hearing, reading, writing, saying, and thinking some pretty violent and horrible things, written in anger and hurt, about the entire Middle East. Anyone remember hearing "Let's turn the whole darn thing into one giant glass parking lot"? I seem to recall saying something like that, after seeing people celebrating the attacks in the Middle Eastern.

Crowell did a similar thing, only it was about a group that most of us respect. However, it was after he saw video of 2 Black men being shot by police for what seemed to be questionable reasons. No doubt he was hurt, frustrated, and fearful over what he saw as police abuse. That part is a sentiment that many Black share. He posted something he should not have, out of that hurt and fear, but quickly recognized his mistake, and took his post down.

How many times have we, especially when young, opened our mouths in a moment of hurt, and had something come out that shocked us later in life, when we look back on it? I know that I have many times, probably too many times to count.

Let's not bury a young man for a stupid and insensitive reaction to one moment of hurt, that had the unfortunate timing this one did, especially one that is shared by a sizable part of our population.

+1, cast the first stone, you without sin....he should ride along with Cleveland cops for month, then talk to youth about his experience....he admits he was mad, stupid, and fixed it asap....but the info age has him by the throat....sad. PS-hate what he did, don't hate the person.

I remember, following 9/11, hearing, reading, writing, saying, and thinking some pretty violent and horrible things, written in anger and hurt, about the entire Middle East. Anyone remember hearing "Let's turn the whole darn thing into one giant glass parking lot"? I seem to recall saying something like that, after seeing people celebrating the attacks in the Middle Eastern.

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Ahh, yes. Point clearly made. I recall being a part of that" nuke em'" and "turn it into a giant glass parking lot" which after time, alot of time, I completely changed my opinion and, to an extent, had regret for the nature of which I said some things.

Like I said, maybe he'll buy my forgiveness someday at sometime. Maybe he won't. I don't blame or crucify anyone willing to instantly forgive a young man. Had I known him personally, what he's lived through and his principles, maybe I too could instantly forgive a young man making a huge mistake.

I don't think Crow wrote that either. It was probably the team's P.R. department or his agent but in any case, the words are attributed to him. If what he posted are truly not his sentiments, then he could take proactive steps to show that. I think it would go a long way to do something like that instead of hiding behind a carefully crafted P.R. statement that he had little or nothing to do with.

Sad State of affair's ," We the people " : Says an Old man stinin on his porch and ciphering . Seems to me we have become a Country and Culture of Excesses . Can't remember the last stupid or bad thing I did that was my fault. A lot easier going through life casting aspersions on other folks . Wonder how the Main man is going to react when I try and check in ?

If we are going to bask in cynicism and believe that the 2 years spent visiting schools and hospitals isn't real.. but the image posted on social media is real... and the apology and contrition are not real... then nobody will ever win and there is no real need for him to even make an effort to change things or fix things or explain himself... because people aren't going to believe him any way, they will just choose to believe that anything positive from here on out is him trying to save his "image" or recover lost endorsements or whatever...

thanks vers

J/C

Big mistake Isaiah. You need to spend some quality time with the local police force and take a one game suspension. JMHO

So, bc he's putting in a little effort, as stated which is likely being ordered of him, all is well and A-OK, huh?

IMO, people have every right to not believe him. People still hate Vick to this day, even though he's donated to dog charities and did time, etc.

You say nobody can win, even if someone could win - what exactly are they winning there? Situation like this, everyone has already lost.

All JMO

No, the actual picture he posted is below.

I could've gone all my life without seeing that.

just the thought process that he had in posting that leaves me questioning his intelligence BIG TIME

I don't care how firmly I believed in something or was angry ... I wouldn't post something that disrespectful, inappropriate, inflammatory, etc

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...k-browns-games/ PFT

Cleveland police union threatens not to work Browns games
Posted by Mike Florio on July 12, 2016, 5:37 PM EDT
CLEVELAND, OH - MAY 23: A

The Browns don’t believe it’s good enough for running back Isaiah Crowell’s to simply apologize for posting on social media an image of an attack on a police officer. The union that represents Cleveland’s police officers agrees.

Stephen Loomis, the president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, calls Crowell’s gesture a “store-bought apology.” In comments to TMZ, Loomis also described Crowell’s post as being as “offensive as putting a picture of historical African-American men being hung from a tree in the 60s.”

Loomis has a specific suggestion for what Crowell needs to do next.

“He needs to go to Dallas, help the families who lost their loved ones last week, write them a check, look them in the eyes and give a heartfelt apology,” Loomis told TMZ. If Crowell doesn’t, there will be consequences.

“I will pull Cleveland officers, sheriffs, state troopers out of First Energy Stadium this season if he doesn’t make it right,” Loomis said. “You’re a grown-ass man, and you claim you were too emotional to know it was wrong? Think we’ll accept your apology? Kiss my ass.”

The Browns haven’t cut Crowell, presumably because they value his football skills. If he were lingering at the bottom of the roster, he’d already be gone. If the team is going to keep him, it would be wise for the Browns to encourage him to do what Loomis has requested.

Sad.

This is getting ridiculous. No, wait, we passed ridiculous a long time ago.

More worth quotes from Steve "Tamir Rice is not a child, but an adult and deserved to be shot." Loomis. Kick rocks, Officer.

Are you really defending Crow?

Do you see me defending Crow? I'm just saying Steve Loomis is a moron who doesn't deserve the position he is in. Not only did he slander Tamir Rice after he died, he and the Cleveland PD, had such horrific record managing them, that they got investigated and penalized by the DoJ. The fact that he can keep his job is amazing. Horrible human being.

It just seems that your comments are very one-sided.

Don't become what you hate.

I don't hate anyone or anything. I'm based.

I think this is awesome. Cops need to start standing up for themselves. They had an incredibly hard job before all this nonsense started. It's gotten exponentially worse.

I thought it was childish and unprofessional. Cops need to keep it classy and rise above the crap.

j/c

I tried posting something a bit ago, but my connection is.........well, acting up.

I can't blame cops for deciding "it ain't worth it".

The media has made it out that cops are hunting blacks. That simply isn't true.

BUT, some believe it. Some, enough, are hunting cops.

Would you want to go to work tonight, tomorrow, knowing that just your uniform is enough to get you killed?

Oh, wait Arch, that's exactly what the black people are saying. Right?

Hell no. It's no where near.

I can't blame cops if they decide to not show up when you (someone) calls 911. A guy breaking into your house? Deal with it.

A guy wielding a gun in a parking lot? I can't blame the cops 1 bit if they decide to not show up. You deal with it.

I ain't getting my ass shot for trying to uphold the law. The media will take any story that "sells" and run with it, damn the truth.

I can absolutely see why cops may decide to just not show up to that emergency call.

Sad situation folks.

Blame the media, in large part. And blame the "cops gotta die" people........and blame the "I ain't no snitch" people as well.

My thought too, Eve.
It's attitudes like his that can cause resentment.
"Kiss my ass"????
Really?
He's a pig, plain and simple - and I don't throw that word around lightly.
The Browns could hire a security firm to look after things on game days.

What, like the mall cops?

Well arch, if a cop decides to simply "not show up" when someone needs their help, they need to be fired.

They can show up late.

If that's the kind of police force you'd want, good luck to ya.

He's a pig and Isaiah Crowell is just a confused young man "dealing with an emotional situation"? Do I have that right?

To the son of a Cleveland policeman who served 25 years without firing his weapon, other than target practice, that is so offensive that I'm going to pretend I didn't read that because I always thought you were a good guy.

I don't know who Steve Loomis is, but would it be fair to say he is dealing with high emotions too?

You're right Dave, he probably is, and I have utmost respect for cops who do their job professionally every day.
In my line of work, I occasionally deal with police officers and I know the vast majority are good guys and gals.
I shouldn't have used the 'pig' word - I apologize for that and won't try to delete that post.

You're expecting a lot from Steve Loomis who once said the people left in Cleveland were dreds of society.

And just the other day said "Obama has [the Dallas PD's] blood on his hand."

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/...wash-off-video/

How Loomis keeps his job is amazing. I can't believe officers would allow themselves to be represented by such a man is mindboggling.

Ugh. How Loomis is still the President is mindboggling.

That's not the kind of police force ANYONE wants. But, put your butt in their place - in the city.

Thanks, Lamp.

No need to thank me, you called me out on that and you were right to do so.
Peace.

At least 12 year olds would be safe from getting shot.

If the outrage for actual killing of citizens at the hands of actual killer cops was as passionate as the calls for Crowell to be punished for his thoughts then maybe I could take these criticism seriously. Crowell hasn't shot a kid playing with a toy gun, Crowell didn't pump 137 bullets into the car of unarmed citicizens. Crowell didn't pin an man to the ground, restrain his hands and shot him at point blank range because he might have had a gun in his pocket. Crowell didn't shoot a law abiding citizen when following police instructions to produce license and registration. Crowell didn't choke a man to death with a unapproved choke hold, ostensibly for selling cigarettes on the street. Crowell didn't shoot a "suspect" in the back and then appear to toss a gun near his dead body. Crowell didn't unload 16 shots into a teenager who was 15-20 ft away from police because he had a knife in his hand and seemed to take a step toward multiple car loads of police. Crowell didn't ignore a suspect pleading for medical attention into a steel cage paddy wagon drive him around for almost and hour then when police decided to open the holding cell find him dead. Crowell wasn't involved in any police union obstruction to prevent justice for these acts. Crowell wasn't in any local or state prosecutors office who dragged their feet or under charged the involved officers. Crowell wasn't some apathetic prosecutor who abdicated their duty by gingerly handing the case over to a grand jury.

Yeah, Crowell should probably be handed over to police.