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Yea...no.

I've explained countless times why blaming Obama for ISIS is about as wreck less as blaming Bush for 9/11.

At this point I don't know why you even bring it up. We won't agree on this issue at all.

No, I can't say that I have thoughts about murdering people.

I will say that I think you answered my question even though you didn't directly address it.

Yes, of course. I think it is something most of us could do a better job of doing, self-included. Sometimes I go back and read some of my old posts and realize there is a harshness to them that I really didn't intend at the time. Hopefully nobody has gotten too offended at anything I've said on here. Call it friendly debate.

Because you have been wrong from the beginning and are wrong now.
The Caliphate was a direct result of Obama pulling our troops out and even he knows it as he has returned thousands of our troops to Iraq in the last couple of years.

Why haven't we taken out their safe havens worldwide?
Why do we always announce what we won't do so our enemies can take full advantage.
Why don't we involve NATO in a worldwide sweep for these Islamic Extremists?
Why do we have such weak leadership that tries to push an anti gun agenda instead of destroying our enemy?
Why is the rest of the world saying the US does not have the will to join with France in wiping them out?

You should take some time to research things before saying whatever egotistical thought comes to your head first.

https://www.policeone.com/Crowd-Control/articles/3361291-The-Madison-Method-for-crowd-control/

Murdering people? That is a beaut!
So you continue to talk in circles as our enemies murder the innocent.

Shame!

Good reply. We are all guilty of what you just admitted to. At least you seem to have both an open heart and an open mind.

We are all emotional creatures w/flaws. However, if we keep the long-range goals of helping our world become a better place, than we can indeed affect change.

Shame!?

Nah, I feel no shame in not following people who are fueled by hate. I've learned that extremists like you [on one side] and CHS [on the other side] are not looking for solutions, thus not worth my time.

That sounds like Neville Chamberlain declaring "We Have Peace in our Time" as he appeased the Nazi's just before they overran Europe in WWII.

Your words only carry weight once our enemy stops killing us.

I'm unsurprised that promoting peace is what counts towards "extremism" to someone who believes that "the blacks on this forum are the most hateful".

That's false. The civil war and all these bombings were happening before Obama announced withdrawal. The writing was always on the wall. Iraq was never secured.

You and others keep saying that, but it simply isn't true. Iraq wasn't stable. Iraq became a stronghold for terrorism the moment we ousted Saddam.

We removed the iron fist that's needed in that country, and now you're looking for a scapegoat. I won't allow that nonsense as long as I'm allowed to voice my experience on this board.

We haven't taken their safe havens out world world because

A) we have very little Intel on where those are, and
B) we don't have jurisdiction to go raid every single country.

Do y'all not understand we aren't fighting an official government? We are fighting a non uniformed enemy spread across the globe. It requires different tactics, different Intel, etc.

This isn't storming the beaches of Normandy. Those days of military conflict might be gone. You need to seriously understand that. Our enemy doesn't wear a uniform.

NATO was involved in our initial invasion of both countries.

Unlike us, most countries, specifically Europe, are

A) fed up with war
B) militaries aren't set up for sustained operations overseas.

Weak leadership? Says the sheep.

And who is the rest of the world? We've bombed and invaded the Middle East more than any other nation combined. We've dropped over 22k bombs and RISING.

We are STILL attacking them

Your last sentence is not only a slap in the face to our men and women that serve this country, but completely false and wreck less.

You continue to twist the truth on these matters.

We don't have jurisdiction to go raid in other countries is a deflection from the fact if we worked with NATO, at least one of the NATO countries will have a relationship with the nation we want to operate in and will get the jurisdiction from that nation. True leadership in this Nation can get things approved also.

And my last statement was a slap to our weak leadership at the top but not to our brave men and women who do the fighting. You are just blowing hot air on that one, as usual.

No, you're just talking out the side of your neck.

And I'm calling you on it. Kid.

And I have been calling you out for talking out of the other end for years now.

And yet, have been false everytime.

Just like when you try and make predictions.

HORSE HOCKEY!

I don't know why horses play hockey but ok.

Look and learn!

https://www.google.com/search?q=polo+mat...KHcMaD6sQsAQIJw

So you mean polo. Not horse hockey.

HORSE HOCKEY! Don't tell me what I mean!

We really don't need to tell anyone. It's pretty easy to see.

jc

Blaming Obama/Bush is incredibly short sighted, I agree. I understand eager parties want to make the claim that ISIS was created via a power vacuum due to iraq withdrawal and, those parties would be right. Other parties would then say that only happened because Bush created a power vacuum ousting Hussein. And those parties would be right. We could go back to 9/11, but that's not even the first time we've dealt with radical islam. The 70s alone had several marquee incidents (1979 hostage crisis, Munich 1972, among others). Some historians argue that the US's first crisis with islam was during the Barbary Wars of the early 1800s, although personally I think it was more of a standard war rather than one of religion.

There are key tenants to fundamentalist islam that are at dire opposition to western beliefs and culture, and therefore any ideas regarding "tolerance" are misguided and ultimately harmful to both sides. Nowadays you have to be careful saying this, because the knee jerk reaction is to claim that I'm talking about xenophobia, or islamophobia. But I just don't see how you rectify fundamentalist muslim ideals about women being subservient to men when western culture pushes equality. Same goes for gay tolerance and scores of other western ideals. Yes I know we still aren't perfect in the west, but compared to the middle east? Western culture is a womens/minority/LGBTQ utopia. Talk to someone you know who is gay and ask how safe they would feel in Iran...

I see both sides disregarding the others idea, and until we can be open minded, no one will get anywhere. I see conservatives saying kick em out and call liberal ideas as dangerous, and liberals just call conservatives a bunch of xenophobes and say we must be tolerant of other peoples culture and religions.

I know this post so far sounds very politically neutral, but to get to my point, I think we should be clear to muslims, as we have to other religious people, that you are to be welcomed here. But do not confuse acceptance with tolerance. We will not tolerate fundamentalist approaches to womens rights, forced marriages, FGM, suspension of habeas corpus, or special treatment just because of your religion. If you don't like homosexuals and their culture, then avoid homosexuals and their culture. If you want women to be second place, then stay in the middle east and build your idea there. Do not try to change western progressiveness. Frankly we tend to have enough problems with westboro baptist and similar local fundamentalist strongholds without trying to deal with more special religious snowflakes.

To conservatives, you have to understand that religious freedom cuts both ways. We can't support christianity and catholicism without supporting islam as well. To liberals, especially those who condemn things like the RFRA act, or DOMA act, or other religious inspired legislation, you have to be consistent in how religions are treated. You can't dismiss christianity as a religion but treat islam like a culture to be protected. Neither side is being very consistent and I think that's a big reason we are here today.

Very few people have anything against Islam or Muslims, it is Radical, murderous Islam and Muslims we have a problem with.

Very few people have a problem with Homosexuals and their lifestyle, as free Americans they can do as they please in their private lives. It is when their lifestyle is forced on the rest of us to accept or your business will be shut down is where the problem exists.

Forcing our children to bath and use the bathroom with the opposite sex because it is inclusive to less than one percent of our population is a problem.

WOW! 40 and I agree on something... That's exactly how I feel about Christianity.

I don't really feel that way about Christians but it's a good teaching point. Everyone on this board might learn something about themselves if they were to plug in Christians instead of Muslims when they are about to spew their rhetoric, just to see how IT REALLY sounds. Same with White People/Black People... Cops/Criminals...

Your religious beliefs, your political beliefs, your sexual orientation... They key word is "Your"! Everyone has a right to their own, period.

And 40, on your we should go hunt them down wherever they hide comment; UNLESS YOU are strapping on the boots you want on the ground and willing to commit your children and grandchildren to that cause, then you don't get to call for that kind of thing. I wish politicians had to do that, they wouldn't be so quick to go to war.

So trump has officially announced Pence or whatever.

Boy oh boy....lolz.

Since you don't think Trump is a viable candidate to start with, who he picks as a running mate should be meaningless. Personally I was hoping for Gingrich. Watching him debate the Dem VP choice would have been fun. I know nothing about this guy. I just hope Johnson and Weld get to their 15% in the polls so they will be included in the dabates.

As a Troll, will you please name the Murderous, Radical Christian organization killing us these days?

You should know plenty of Pence. He was in the news all of last year.

From a strictly political campaign strategy, I don't know why trump would pick him.

Gage made a good point about strengthening the religious vote... But the flip side to that is he's most likely gonna lose a lot if his cross over vote.

From a social aspect, Pence isn't popular. His approval rating in his own state doesn't help, either.

A troll?

You have 6000 posts because you will post nonsense 100 times a day! I was here long before you and will be here long after you are gone. And as far as the radical murderous christian organization killing us... start with the new GOP.

Troll that.

Trump is reeling in the crossover, first time voter, and Independents. Pence secures the Conservative elements of the party.

yea...probably not.

pence secures the ultra conservative element, sure. in turn, you just lost a good portion of your cross over votes from people who identify as liberal.

which wasn't much from the start.

Clinton is giving Trump every opportunity to take this election.

yet for some mind boggling reason, he's doing everything to ensure he loses the election.

I guess that's the Republican way. Gotta make sure to always one up the competition when it comes to crazy.

Most of the people I talk to here in Indiana think he is doing a pretty decent job. My social groups are probably a little more conservative than average though.

i bet bro.

it's just like if i say the governor in minnesota is doing a boss job. it all depends on who you ask. i feel you.

but...42% is 42%.

You give far too much consideration to what a VP candidate can bring or take away. It is like I said, Pence secures the Conservative elements of the party.

really?

Palin 2008.

j/c

Is anyone really going to vote for president the person that selects a "good" vice president?

Like, I don't vote based on who MIGHT become president if the person I vote for dies. That's not what I base my vote on.

I hope no one else does either.

palin 2008.

Cheney.

yea...it matters.

McCain damaged himself and she helped.

she helped tremendously.

don't get foggy memory now bro.