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to be fair, they probably would've whopped yall asses like they did the Vikings The thread isn't funny, but man..........that line.... 
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Haus you know i'm going bro. Somebody has got to provide live coverage. i'm on chill mode anyway imma be down there high as hell.
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There will be violence. Like a month ago there was white power rally in Atlanta and black groups protested against them and fights broke out. These same people will be in Cleveland only now they will have guns. Its not safe.
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Gotta do what you gotta do. You know my opinion on it... I will catch the video though.
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yea im just gonna find a spot and post up.
besides bro, and i hope this don't come across racist but...
it's gonna be mainly white people arguing with other white people. i'll be fine.
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It's all good. I set a pretty high bar when it comes to defining racism. Just acknowledging something in racial terms like that in good faith doesn't clear that bar for me.. not even close. Anyway, keep your wits about you and I'm sure you'll be fine.
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Sorry to change the direction of this thread, but wasn't sure where to put this: 26 minutes ago
Cleveland police union asks for suspension of 'open carry' law during RNC
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The head of one of Cleveland’s largest police unions is calling on Ohio Gov. John Kasich to temporarily restrict the state’s open carry gun laws during this week’s Republican National Convention following Sunday’s shooting in Louisiana that killed three officers and wounded at least three others.
“We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something — I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,” Stephen Loomis, president of Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association, told CNN. “They can fight about it after the RNC or they can lift it after the RNC, but I want him to absolutely outlaw open-carry in Cuyahoga County until this RNC is over.”
In response, Kasich said governors "do not have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or state laws as suggested."
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Nah, I get why this thread is veering. Especially in light of the shootings in Cleveland recently, in light of the cops being shot in Baton Rouge. I get it.
I also get why, in regards to your post, the cops are asking for open carry to be rescinded for a week, more or less.
If the governor can't do anything about it, I get that as well.
I hope and pray that the convention goes just swimmingly well with no violence.
Protesting is one thing. Violent protest could very well lead to something no one wants to see.
Innocent people, supporters or non supporters, don't need to die.
Good luck Cleveland.
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Honestly it would be screwed up if people go to protest the police there. Granted they did Tamir a grave injustice. But if the people want change its the people inside they need to be protesting. Not the middle men who are just doing their job. Especially if they're demilitarized hopefully.
Taking away guns to protect police and politicians? Oh boy, I hope ya'll have been buying ammo in bulk like I have. They're getting ready to steal our guns.
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To be clear, I didn't say "take away guns". I'm not for that, at all. (for law abiding citizens, etc, ad nauseum)
But, open carry, CCW holder - we already have a list of places where carrying a weapon isn't allowed.
It would be nice if, in this situation, that zone could be expanded a bit. And for just a bit. JMO.
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So we have these groups protesting, maybe more. These are just the ones I heard.
White Nationalists
Black Panthers
Pro Trump
Anti Trump
And they are all bringing guns.
Its not going to end well
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This Ohio police union can be pretty ignorant at times. There is no law permitting open carry in Ohio. It is a natural right, recognized by the state. There are only laws specifying where you can't carry.
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To be clear, I didn't say "take away guns". I'm not for that, at all. (for law abiding citizens, etc, ad nauseum)
But, open carry, CCW holder - we already have a list of places where carrying a weapon isn't allowed.
It would be nice if, in this situation, that zone could be expanded a bit. And for just a bit. JMO. BUT the criminals won't obey those "Gun Free Zones"... Isn't that the usual argument?
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I hope it doesn't happen but I could easily see either parties convention turning into a real powder keg this year.
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To be clear, I didn't say "take away guns". I'm not for that, at all. (for law abiding citizens, etc, ad nauseum)
But, open carry, CCW holder - we already have a list of places where carrying a weapon isn't allowed.
It would be nice if, in this situation, that zone could be expanded a bit. And for just a bit. JMO. BUT the criminals won't obey those "Gun Free Zones"... Isn't that the usual argument? Yes, that is the usual argument. The counter to that would be making a certain area a gun free zone for the week. Boom. Carrying? You're out of here, arrested. Look, I'm all about freedom, but this situation has all the potential in the world to turn into a powder keg that gets lit.
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Freedom is freedom.
Can't pick and choose when to apply it.
Let's hope nothing major happens.
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This is a good opportunity to show how the law abiding gun carrying citizen can control himself in all situations. We are not the people shooting up the city streets each night, we are the People of America who only look to defend ourselves and our families from the Scum who abuse our rights and give a bad name to the law abiding citizen.
I say we start up No Scum Zones!
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Everybody is a law abiding citizen...until all of a sudden, they aren't.
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Everybody is a law abiding citizen...until all of a sudden, they aren't. Why do you want laws and restrictions to punish the law abiding? That is unAmerican. We should not make laws to punish people for what they may do, we should punish those who BREAK the Law.
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I've already laid out my argument for irresponsible gun owners.
Also, I haven't advocated not letting people carry at the convention.
So I'm not sure what you're talking about. Making up things up again?
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Freedom is freedom.
Can't pick and choose when to apply it.
Let's hope nothing major happens. Yes, freedom is freedom. I got that. But, yes, there are times when certain aspects of freedom need to be curtailed. Just my opinion. You know me. You hopefully know it pains me to say that. I'm not for banning open carry everywhere. I'm not at all for banning open carry OR CCW carry everywhere. Freedom is freedom. Try open carrying into a courthouse, or concealed carry for that matter. You're right, let's hope nothing major happens - but moreso, let's hope NOTHING happens. Look, I have a right to drive down any street in the state/country. Unless the cops have that street blocked off. Or if there is construction going on and signs that say "road closed". In either or those situations, if I drive down that road, I'm subject to fines and or incarceration, right?
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Everybody is a law abiding citizen...until all of a sudden, they aren't. Why do you want laws and restrictions to punish the law abiding? That is unAmerican. We should not make laws to punish people for what they may do, we should punish those who BREAK the Law. Swish didn't say he did. I did. I'm the one that said it. And in a situation like this, the rnc and all the recent hoopla with shootings, I stand by that. Look, NO ONE can carry inside QLA. I'm okay with extending that banned area to outside the arena - a few blocks, whatever.
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Look, I have a right to drive down any street in the state/country. Unless the cops have that street blocked off. Or if there is construction going on and signs that say "road closed". In either or those situations, if I drive down that road, I'm subject to fines and or incarceration, right?
Wrong. Driving is a Privilege, Gun carry by a law abiding citizen is a Constitutional Right!
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Look, I have a right to drive down any street in the state/country. Unless the cops have that street blocked off. Or if there is construction going on and signs that say "road closed". In either or those situations, if I drive down that road, I'm subject to fines and or incarceration, right?
Wrong. Driving is a Privilege, Gun carry by a law abiding citizen is a Constitutional Right! Correct. Carrying a gun is a constitutional right. But, under the current laws, there ARE places you can't carry, like it or not. License or not. I'm in favor of expanding that area for 1 week. Why? To avoid a situation no one wants to see/be a part of, etc. Again, carrying is a constitutional right. Try doing it at a courthouse, a federal building, a state building, a school building. See what your constitutional right does for you there.
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Something is gonna happen.
People act rowdy during sporting events. Something is bound to happen at a political event.
As long as nobody gets shot, then the RNC environment will be considered a success.
That's all I hoping for. Nobody gets shot or stabbed, or both. I'm sure there will be a couple fights, somebody getting arrested. But that's minor stuff.
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Look, I have a right to drive down any street in the state/country. Unless the cops have that street blocked off. Or if there is construction going on and signs that say "road closed". In either or those situations, if I drive down that road, I'm subject to fines and or incarceration, right?
Wrong. Driving is a Privilege, Gun carry by a law abiding citizen is a Constitutional Right! Correct. Carrying a gun is a constitutional right. But, under the current laws, there ARE places you can't carry, like it or not. License or not. I'm in favor of expanding that area for 1 week. Why? To avoid a situation no one wants to see/be a part of, etc. Again, carrying is a constitutional right. Try doing it at a courthouse, a federal building, a state building, a school building. See what your constitutional right does for you there. And those laws are wrong and unAmerican. If you want to provide security for the law abiding citizen as in a Courthouse or a Federal Building, fine. Check your gun at the door and pick it up when you leave as security is no longer provided outside. It is this kind of weakness in defense of our Rights that has allowed these no carry, no security provided situations to exist. On December 15, 1791, the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments to the Constitution) was adopted, having been ratified by three-fourths of the states.
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I wonder what the Cleveland Police Department would prefer?
They are the authority on the ground in charge of trying to provide a safe environment for the citizens and visitors.
They should have a say in whether they want to allow open carry at this Cleveland event..especially with the recent cop shootings in Louisiana and Texas..that's just common sense!
The police have a tough enough job to do without folks attempting to show their bravado by open carrying a weapon, imo.
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So there being places you can't take a gun is unamerican?
Jeez.
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Ohio's Governor has already said he will do nothing because he does not posses the power to suspend the Constitution. 
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It's gonna be ugly tomorrow. You're going to have some drunk douchebag getting into a shouting match with a cop. A mob will form and it will start getting violent. I give it less than zero chance that somebody doesn't fire a shot.
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Tough enough that there is already the rep vs. dem crowd.. and now add the cop issue on top of that...
Best bet would to just stay at home.
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Just a good time to remove yourself from the political sphere, get out of NE Ohio, and just take a vacation. That's what I'm doing.
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If the police keep the bused in Lib crowd separated from the Trump crowd, it will only be the Libs causing trouble.
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If the police keep the bused in Lib crowd separated from the Trump crowd, it will only be the Libs causing trouble. OOOOOOOOOOOF COOOOOOOOURSE! Never miss an opportunity to stir the pot some more, do you?
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even though in the grand scheme of things it's a silly argument to debate who's more violent,
they keep forgetting that the first people that got physical was the trump supporters.
So it's funny watching him try to place the blame solely on liberals, as if conservatives hands are clean.
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You people amaze me. This isn't about taking away guns.
It's about not allowing guns into a place where rival groups are congregating during a very volatile time in our history. It's about trying to be proactive in an attempt to save lives.
Shut the hell up about your stupid ass rights and become human.
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You people amaze me. This isn't about taking away guns.
It's about not allowing guns into a place where rival groups are congregating during a very volatile time in our history. It's about trying to be proactive in an attempt to save lives.
Shut the hell up about your stupid ass rights and become human. Unlike you, we Americans cherish our Rights under the Constitution. If you want to be proactive, why not arrest all the bused in Liberals and hold them till after the Convention? HA! I can hear you crying and pulling your hair out over stepping on their Right to protest! So slanted, short sighted! 
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You are wrong about me. I have blasting BOTH FREAKING SIDES.
Stop the freaking hate! Work together instead of furthering the divide.
You silly people. Do you even realize what you are doing?
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You are wrong about me. I have blasting BOTH FREAKING SIDES.
Stop the freaking hate! Work together instead of furthering the divide.
You silly people. Do you even realize what you are doing? You spew the words of every enemy this Nation has ever fought. "Take away their Constitutional Rights!"
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