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If Hue thinks he can help, then I'm fine with that.

lol!

This is a jersey I might actually buy, hahaha!

I have a gut feeling this isn't going to end well.

Won't end well....maybe, he's just coaching...some...JMHO, talking or DREAMING passing game...the Barn, Pryor, Gordon, and Coleman...potentially sweet four receivers..send Gordon and Pryor on go routes, what's left for Coleman or the Barn...could be sweet....GO Browns!!!

You sound like an offensive coordinator.

The NFL isn't like your local flag football league.
It's more complicated then just saying you go deep
And you do a 7 yd slant.
The go route is the easiest route to defense.
Right now Pryor is a very raw route runner.
Gordon won't even be on the roster
The only go route he knows is go get high
Right now the Brown do not have a true number 1 wr.
They haven't had a true 1 since Gordon a couple years back.
Right now there is no Browns WR that demands bracket coverage
Don't be surprised if the Browns don't have a 1000 yd yr out of a wr or TE this year.

If I recall right didn't Bernie Kosar draw up an audible in the huddle during a game for a TD?

Yes. And if memory serves me, he was released shortly after that.

Do you know what an audible is?

au·di·ble
ˈôdəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: audible

1.
able to be heard.
"ultrasound is audible to dogs"
synonyms: hearable, perceptible, discernible, detectable, appreciable; More
clear, distinct, loud
"the radio is barely audible"
antonyms: faint

nounFootball
noun: audible; plural noun: audibles

1.
a change in the offensive play called by the quarterback at the line of scrimmage.

Yeah, I didn't think so.

You usually don't before you post.

happened upon another look back of past drafts, and came up with a new theory.
New Theory, don't count on anybody drafted later than 100 overall.

It's really been about 3 out of 20 that have any significant contributions, ( for the Browns, since 2001), they might as well be UDFA's

I had had the thought that Coleman was the only WR, the Browns picked this year that I wouldn't straight up trade with the Steelers for the player they took in last years draft whom I think can be a long time wideout in the league. But the Steelers didn't need to use him, they have time to let players learn no matter any position it seems.

By significant contributions, I mean plays that cause games to be won.

Pitt - please explain to me how last years stats have ANY relevance on what happens this year ... ANY RELEVANCE AT ALL ..

It boggles my mind how anyone can make even a single CORRELATION between this year and last year from what either the Browns or Hue did .. There COMPLETELY IRRILEVANT ...

Hue doesn't have Dalton, AJ, Eifert, Hill or Bernard or anything even REMOTELY CLOSE to them on this roster so to think he's going to run even remotely close to the same O is IGNORANT! ... And even if he did to think he'd call the same plays would make the ASSumptions once again IRRELIVANT ..

For starters if he has Barnidge running the same route trees as Eifert then he should be fired on day 1 .. NO WAY HES THAT STUPID ... So right away .. BYE BYE ALL RELEVANE TO TE STATS EVEN IF IT IS THE SAME OFFENSE ..

And let's see .. AJ vs Coleman as #1's .. I'm sure some on here will say Coleman could be just as good or better this year SIMPLY CAUE HES A BROWN ..

Sorry Pitt .. There's simply NO CORRELATION between last year and this year ..

Purp - Ed's good at saying things and then simply denying what he's said .. Went through this with him in the RG3 is GOD thread .. Not sure Ed understands simple math .. Like 1 + 1 = 2 .. *shrugs* ... Witch is really weird cause he seems to LOVE HIS IRRILEVANT STATS ..

Cause we all know who STATS ARE FOR ....

I have never agreed with you on the stats thing, but I do agree last years stats mean nothing towards this year.

You might be able to look at stats like run to pass ratio and gain some insight, but we are talking two different teams. Even then, it is much easier to keep running the ball when you are ahead v being 17 down. We might get a feel for what Hue wants to do....game situations might dictate otherwise.

I suppose one could look at Bernard and how he was used and get a feel for what might happen with Duke since they are somewhat comparable, but after that, the skill sets of the players are totally different, as you pointed out with Barnadge and Eiffert.

For someone who is insinuating that a poster is stupid for their opinion (Like 1+1= 2), you should probably learn how to spell irrelevant since you used it three times and spelled it wrong each time, use "which" instead of "witch", and know the difference between "there" and "they're".

If you want to call someone stupid, you may not want to look like and equally offending party.

I'm not sure you are meaning that for me. That's actually what I was pointing out in my post. lol

The talent in Cincy, combined with the continuity within the system in no way compares with the situation here.

Hue inherited a winning team, a winning QB and a winning system when he assumed the OC job in Cincy.

RG3 hasn't looked good in four years. Ed seems to look at the isolated season, blame everything else on RG3's coaches and look on the sunny side.

I look at his work in its entirety.

What does knowing anything about football have to do with spelling?

Nuttin.

So that's all you got, a personal attack from the role of a Grammar Nazi?

Back to passing game, who are you looking forward to seeing on field most.....I want to see how Higgins does, Colorado State always plays tough and he could be a huge positive for our team....Go Browns!!!

i a curious as to Pryor's progression, I mean these coaches were drooling over him so i want to see what he really has and I want to see how our TE's are working with this O. I think the TE position could be our most dynamic positions. Believe we could see a lot of two TE sets.

Haha.

No grammar Nazi here. However, if someone is going to make a back handed comment about someone's intelligence and their opinion, it may be advantageous to shy away from 'witch"(unless it's Halloween) and adhere to the recommended spelling of a word even this site notifies you about...three times. I find it hypocritical to call out someone's intelligence while exhibiting that kind of writing.

It's also equally hypocritical calling out just one personal attack...I'd assume you'd point out Diam's if this was such a big deal to you. That's unfortunate.

Yeah, that's all I got and I could care less if you don't like it. I don't like it when posters are made fun of or their opinions mocked. I will point that out....just ask Vers.

If I could quote vers..."you are completely missing the point."

[quoteIf I could quote vers..."you are completely missing the point."][/quote]

Sorry, but I have already had it copyrighted and it can only be used when replying to Daman.

I am fine with my "stupidity" as far as spelling goes ... To me spelling isn't a sign of intelligence .. But hey .. If that's how u judge intelligence .. Let's do some business together ... ..

And I didn't call him stupid .. If u were as intelligent as u are a good speller then you'd have been able to do 1 + 1 and came up with 2 .., ..

I was saying that ... He says something and then denies he said it ... Look at the example with Purp .. He says Purp brought the waste product in top it .. When Ed actually uses the waste product in his route tree example ...

He did the same thing in the RG3 is GOD thread ...

Enjoy yourself .. Unlike Vers I won't allow myself to get sucked into BS conversations with ... Ummm .. I'll go with .. GOOD SPELLERS ...

Mr. Peen - we've had the discussion about stats before ... U must have forgot .. I know they have there use .. But some have no clue how to use them ... Like telling me RG3 is accurate based off his completion % .... *LOL* .... IRRELIVENT ...

And Mr. Peen .. U know STATS CAN BE MANIPULATED to make just about any argument u want .. Take RG3's completion % .. What's the avg. yds/completion ... Avg yards/attempt .. Where were his completed passes per "field quadrants" ... I could add or leave out stats at will to make a case .. And whatever case u want to make .. The fewer stats u want to use the easier it is to make the case ...

And I agree 100% on the Bernard to Johnson comparison ... That's the only correlation U could come close to drawing .. But my guess is we use Duke way more than they used Bernard cause we will be down a lot more ... Plus we won't run Duke as much as they did Bernard last year .. Bernard got a lot more PT and runs due to Hills fumbling problems .. And those fumbling problems are NOT FIGURED INTO ANY STAT REGARDING BERNARDS carries and PT a TOTAL NON FACTOR for Duke .. My point ... STATS ARE ONCE AGAIN FOR ...

Now that's football stuff and I did not need a STAT to make my point ..

Pitt - .. No I meant it for U .. I just mis-understood what u were saying .. *L* ..

Remember .. I'm STUPID ... ...

No biggie on Memphis ... More than likely the 1st and last time I reply to I him ... Well until I get my spelling problem taken care of ... ") ...

Just wanted to clear that up Bud. I'm not a big stat guy.

Just like trying to show how much Hue calls running plays. That's easy to do when you hold the lead. Not so easy to do if you're down 17 late in the 3rd and 4th quarters. So what he did when he was with the Bengals has no factor on what will happen here.

That's because you are smarter than me, bro.

You know exactly what you were implying when you wrote your response. My point clearly sailed over your head as well. Writing isn't indicative of intelligence, but when you insinuate someone's lack of, it makes sense to show a little of your own.

That's all. Peace.

Man, you're just on a which hunt.

Which one?

*L* .. U think your point sailed over my head .. .. Man .. U must think I'm stupider than I thought U thought I was ... I'm smart enough to know what I just said .. Are u ... *L* ...

Witch won?

The stats, again, are a reference point.

All good points, but the assumption that these points aren't already understood is mistaken.

So, if I correct some of the false statements you made here I continue the circle. But, if I let it go I have to read obviously false statements.

Anyhow, saying that Griffin hasn't looked good in 4 years is either an obvious exaggeration or shows ignorance of the facts.

I'll leave it at this. The way you describe your view of how I 'seem' to think is wrong. But, whatevs, its quite obvious from the tone of your post above you really aren't interested in whether or not you have my view right.

This thread was supposed to be a discussion about Cleveland's passing game with Hue but has devolved into another typical random thread.

Its funny to me that actually doing research and looking at X's and O's is apparently happily frowned upon by some posters.

Cheers all the same.

Back to the regularly scheduled discussion about the Browns Passing game in 2016.

ProFootballFocus ranked OL, Receiving Corps and QB situations in a series of articles. Each of those categories plays a role in the passing game.

Here is their article on ranking receiving corps:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-receiving-corps/

30. Cleveland Browns

Projected starters: WR Corey Coleman, WR Andrew Hawkins, WR Marlon Moore, TE Gary Barnidge

Key depth: WR Ricardo Louis, WR Rashard Higgins, WR Jordan Payton, WR Taylor Gabriel, TE Seth DeValve

Key stat: Corey Coleman averaged 3.97 yards per route run in his final season at Baylor, the second-highest mark in the 2016 draft class.

The Cleveland Browns added PFF’s top receiver in this draft class in Baylor’s Corey Coleman. Coleman’s 3.97 yards per route run were second-best among wide receivers in this draft class, and they doubled up by adding Colorado State’s Rashard Higgins, who was third, at 3.45. There is a heavy reliance on rookies on the depth chart, but Andrew Hawkins’ 2014 season, in which he forced 11 missed tackles on 63 receptions, at least points to the potential that he can be a veteran who can make an impact. At tight end, the hope will be that Gary Barnidge can continue what he started last season. For his career, he has 1,646 receiving yards, but 1,043 came a year ago, along with nine of the 12 touchdowns he has scored to date.

Oh good ... Coleman played in the worst defensive conference in the country by far ... That's good news ...

Just wondering .. Who was 31 and 32 ... If it's not asking to much who was 28 and 29 ...

Thank U ..