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2 days in the books and I have seen ZERO substance. Tons of fear mongering and Hillary bashing... where is the meat and potatoes?

So far I'm not convinced that Trump can even function under the pressures of the office of POTUS. It seems to me that everything he does falls apart at the seams. This convention has been a shambles IMHO.

I'd love to hear some actual plans of action WITH DETAIL, that are not just words like we'll win, it'll be great, etc.

I'd like to know more about Trump. We get that the GOP hates Hillary, but why vote for Trump? Because he's not Hillary?

If he doesn't start showing some substance at some point, the independents will start flocking to Hillary or a third party candidate... count on that.

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If he doesn't start showing some substance at some point, the independents will start flocking to Hillary or a third party candidate... count on that.

Anybody who flocks to Hillary for her "substance" is probably too stupid to be allowed to vote.

In a week or so you are going to see the Democrats come out and it will be 4 or 5 days of continuous bashing of Trump and why we need to be afraid of Trump.... and they will make a million promises to people that they can't/won't ever keep.... they will have "plans of substance" to fix all peoples problems without those people really having to actually do anything, just sit back and let the government fix your problems... It's a powerful message to those gullible enough to believe it... of course many of them have believed it since Jimmy Carter and haven't seen it happen yet... but next time, I'm sure next time they are actually going to fix my problems.


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Maybe.

But their plans still sound a lot more realistic than Trumps.


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Other than a couple of ideas that i could tolerate, no wonder conservatives seem to lose more support every election cycle. the hell is this?


GOP repeats calls for new constitutional amendments

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-repeats-calls-constitutional-amendments-100419868.html

The Republican Party’s official 2016 platform is out, and there are some familiar calls for new constitutional amendments among the rhetoric.

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Much like the 2012 GOP platform, the 66-page document has plenty of references to the Constitution writ large, even boasting its own Preamble.

The new platform also contains a commitment to an originalist interpretation of the Constitution, complete with a few quotes from the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. “In tandem with a Republican Senate, a new Republican president will restore to the Court a strong conservative majority that will follow the text and original meaning of the Constitution and our laws,” the platform reads.

But what issues are so immediately critical as to require the historically important act of drafting, proposing and ratifying new amendments to the Constitution?

The first proposed amendment in the 2016 Republican Party platform is a “right to life” amendment, similar to ideas presented at recent GOP conventions.

“We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth,” the proposal reads.

The Republicans also condemn the Supreme Court’s controversial Kelo decision (which permits the government to seize private property and transfer it to another private interest in order to promote economic development) and call for states to pass laws or state constitutional amendments to nullify or restrict the decision within their states.

Moreover, the Republicans repeat their demands for a balanced-budget amendment that “imposes a cap limiting spending to the appropriate historical average percentage of our nation’s gross domestic product while requiring a super-majority for any tax increase, with exceptions only for war or legitimate emergencies.”

Another theme from earlier Republican conventions is a call for term limits for members of Congress. But the Party opposes any amendment that would establish statehood for the District of Columbia.

Perhaps the most-publicized part of the platform deals with the same-sex marriage controversy, including the Supreme Court’s Windsor and Obergefell decisions.

“In Obergefell, five unelected lawyers robbed 320 million Americans of their legitimate constitutional authority to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The Court twisted the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment beyond recognition. To echo Scalia, we dissent,” the platform says.

“We do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states,” the platform reads.

In comparison, the 2012 Republican Party platform asked for a federal amendment “defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.”

The 2016 GOP platform also asks for a constitutional amendment protecting the ability of parents to direct their children’s education and care without “interference by states, the federal government, or international bodies such as the United Nations.”


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If he doesn't start showing some substance at some point, the independents will start flocking to Hillary or a third party candidate... count on that.

Anybody who flocks to Hillary for her "substance" is probably too stupid to be allowed to vote.

In a week or so you are going to see the Democrats come out and it will be 4 or 5 days of continuous bashing of Trump and why we need to be afraid of Trump.... and they will make a million promises to people that they can't/won't ever keep.... they will have "plans of substance" to fix all peoples problems without those people really having to actually do anything, just sit back and let the government fix your problems... It's a powerful message to those gullible enough to believe it... of course many of them have believed it since Jimmy Carter and haven't seen it happen yet... but next time, I'm sure next time they are actually going to fix my problems.


LOL I was just going to say the same thing about next week. More of the same ole same ole garbage.

The Dems won't talk substance any more than the Reps are.

It's all about telling you what's wrong with the world and then telling you whose to blame!
(in the interest of honesty and fair play, I borrowed that last line from the movie An American President with Micheal Douglas)

Rarely do they tell you what they will do about it that they can ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH. Big difference between what they say they will do and what they can do.

Lots of promises, total lack of substance.

We are hearing that this week and I can promise you, it won't be even a little better next week.

Count on it.


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Rock band Third Eye Blind taunts Republicans at concert during RNC

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WESTLAKE, Ohio — The rock band Third Eye Blind frustrated some guests at a charity concert held during the Republican National Convention on Tuesday. According to multiple accounts posted by attendees on social media, the band played some of its more obscure songs and mocked socially conservative positions during its set at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.

In tweets posted on the official Third Eye Blind account, the band indicated it was pleased the show upset some in the audience.

“I have never been more disappointed,” wrote a Twitter user named Liza White.

“good,” replied the band.

One Twitter video showed the band’s lead singer, Stephan Jenkins, speaking out in favor of gay rights before the beginning of a song.


Another clip showed Jenkins being jeered.

“You can boo all you want, but I’m the motherf***ing artist up here,” he replied.

According to Snapchat’s head of news, Peter Hamby, at one point in the show, Jenkins asked, “Who here believes in science?”

“So much booing,” Hamby wrote.

Multiple Twitter users particularly objected to the fact that the band didn’t play its 1997 hit “Semi-Charmed Life.”

The invitation-only concert was produced and sponsored by the Recording Industry Association of America, which lobbies for the record industry. Spokespeople for the RIAA did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Yahoo News. The concert was billed as a charity benefit for Musicians On Call, “a nonprofit that brings live and recorded music to the bedsides of patients in health care facilities.”

In the immediate aftermath of the show, some conservatives took to Twitter to argue Third Eye Blind shouldn’t have used a charity event to make a statement. The band’s official Twitter account told Yahoo News that it wasn’t especially concerned about having a negative impact on the charity.

“We were not, as musicians on call were well aware of who we are and our take on things (like science and rights!),” the band wrote.


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I like those planks.Except for the ones dealing with abortion and marriage,which I consider to be none of my nor the gov'ts business.


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Other than a couple of ideas that i could tolerate, no wonder conservatives seem to lose more support every election cycle. the hell is this?

GOP repeats calls for new constitutional amendments


Lets see what they're proposing ...

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We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth,' the proposal reads.


Which is kind of funny, because there are a lot of parallels between slavery and abortion. The arguments to keep it are the same kind of things you would of heard about keeping slavery back in the day: 'They're not 'real' citizens', 'The Supreme Court said it was okay', 'People will do it anyway', 'government should butt out of private affairs', etc, etc. Eventually it took Republicans passing an Amendment to abolish slavery.

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The Republicans also condemn the Supreme Court’s controversial Kelo decision (which permits the government to seize private property and transfer it to another private interest in order to promote economic development) and call for states to pass laws or state constitutional amendments to nullify or restrict the decision within their states.


I would think you of all people would be for an amendment like this. Unless you're cool with the government seizing private property and giving it to someone else?

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Moreover, the Republicans repeat their demands for a balanced-budget amendment that 'imposes a cap limiting spending to the appropriate historical average percentage of our nation’s gross domestic product while requiring a super-majority for any tax increase, with exceptions only for war or legitimate emergencies.'


A balanced budget amendment. How awful!!

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Another theme from earlier Republican conventions is a call for term limits for members of Congress.


We have term limits for Presidents, but Senators can stay in office for 50 years? What's worse is that it's these career politicians that create the whole 'system' where the status quo is maintained at all costs. New ideas and thinkers are immediately squashed and unless you play the game, you're quickly on the outside looking in. There's a reason Congress has something like a 10% approval rating ...

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Perhaps the most-publicized part of the platform deals with the same-sex marriage controversy, including the Supreme Court’s Windsor and Obergefell decisions.


This is probably the only questionable one I'm seeing. I don't really think this should or even could pass, but if you don't agree with a Supreme Court ruling, an amendment is how you go about trying to by-passing that.

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From the last thread, about 10 plagiarizing Democrats:

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6. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA). The liberal firebrand from Harvard, whose claims to Native American ancestry have never been authenticated, contributed several recipes to a cookbook called Pow Wow Chow in the 1980s. In 2012, it emerged that several of those recipes appeared to have been stolen from the New York Times — and were French, not Native American.


This is hilarious. The fake Native American had fake (and stolen) Native American recipes.


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Anybody who flocks to Hillary for her "substance" is probably too stupid to be allowed to vote.


There are stupid people that shouldn't be allowed to own fire arms also.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Other than a couple of ideas that i could tolerate, no wonder conservatives seem to lose more support every election cycle. the hell is this?

GOP repeats calls for new constitutional amendments


Lets see what they're proposing ...

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“We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth,” the proposal reads.


Which is kind of funny, because there are a lot of parallels between slavery and abortion. The arguments to keep it are the same kind of things you would of heard about keeping slavery back in the day: "They're not 'real' citizens", "The Supreme Court said it was okay", "People will do it anyway", "government should butt out of private affairs", etc, etc. Eventually it took Republicans passing an Amendment to abolish slavery.

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The Republicans also condemn the Supreme Court’s controversial Kelo decision (which permits the government to seize private property and transfer it to another private interest in order to promote economic development) and call for states to pass laws or state constitutional amendments to nullify or restrict the decision within their states.


I would think you of all people would be for an amendment like this. Unless you're cool with the government seizing private property and giving it to someone else?

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Moreover, the Republicans repeat their demands for a balanced-budget amendment that “imposes a cap limiting spending to the appropriate historical average percentage of our nation’s gross domestic product while requiring a super-majority for any tax increase, with exceptions only for war or legitimate emergencies.”


A balanced budget amendment. How awful!!

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Another theme from earlier Republican conventions is a call for term limits for members of Congress.


We have term limits for Presidents, but Senators can stay in office for 50 years? What's worse is that it's these career politicians that create the whole "system" where the status quo is maintained at all costs. New ideas and thinkers are immediately squashed and unless you play the game, you're quickly on the outside looking in. There's a reason Congress has something like a 10% approval rating ...

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Perhaps the most-publicized part of the platform deals with the same-sex marriage controversy, including the Supreme Court’s Windsor and Obergefell decisions.


This is probably the only questionable one I'm seeing. I don't really think this should or even could pass, but if you don't agree with a Supreme Court ruling, an amendment is how you go about by-passing that.

Come on excl, don't use logic.. just point to the gay marriage boogie man in the corner.. which by the way, they don't call for a constitutional amendment to ban it, they just call for control of it to be returned to the states..


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i did use logic.

we don't have the same ideology dude. you think this is fine for your ideology.

i do not for mine.


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From the last thread, about 10 plagiarizing Democrats:

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6. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA). The liberal firebrand from Harvard, whose claims to Native American ancestry have never been authenticated, contributed several recipes to a cookbook called Pow Wow Chow in the 1980s. In 2012, it emerged that several of those recipes appeared to have been stolen from the New York Times — and were French, not Native American.


This is hilarious. The fake Native American had fake (and stolen) Native American recipes.



Native Americans ate French. They preferred them over the British.


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This is probably the only questionable one I'm seeing. I don't really think this should or even could pass, but if you don't agree with a Supreme Court ruling, an amendment is how you go about trying to by-passing that.


That's exactly how the people should go about defeating a SC ruling, seeing as the SC should solely base it's judgments on what's written in the Constitution. Personally, I don't think the SC should have ruled on same sex marriage or any marriage law at all, as marriage is never brought up in the Constitution. This should have fallen under the 10th Amendment.


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i did use logic.

we don't have the same ideology dude. you think this is fine for your ideology.

i do not for mine.

You said this...

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Other than a couple of ideas that i could tolerate, no wonder conservatives seem to lose more support every election cycle. the hell is this?

Then posted the article... why don't you do what excl did and tell us which parts you can tolerate and which parts fall in the "what the hell is this" category.


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Other than a couple of ideas that i could tolerate, no wonder conservatives seem to lose more support every election cycle. the hell is this?


GOP repeats calls for new constitutional amendments

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-repeats-calls-constitutional-amendments-100419868.html

The Republican Party’s official 2016 platform is out, and there are some familiar calls for new constitutional amendments among the rhetoric.

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Much like the 2012 GOP platform, the 66-page document has plenty of references to the Constitution writ large, even boasting its own Preamble.

The new platform also contains a commitment to an originalist interpretation of the Constitution, complete with a few quotes from the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. “In tandem with a Republican Senate, a new Republican president will restore to the Court a strong conservative majority that will follow the text and original meaning of the Constitution and our laws,” the platform reads.

But what issues are so immediately critical as to require the historically important act of drafting, proposing and ratifying new amendments to the Constitution?

The first proposed amendment in the 2016 Republican Party platform is a “right to life” amendment, similar to ideas presented at recent GOP conventions.

“We assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to children before birth,” the proposal reads.

The Republicans also condemn the Supreme Court’s controversial Kelo decision (which permits the government to seize private property and transfer it to another private interest in order to promote economic development) and call for states to pass laws or state constitutional amendments to nullify or restrict the decision within their states.

Moreover, the Republicans repeat their demands for a balanced-budget amendment that “imposes a cap limiting spending to the appropriate historical average percentage of our nation’s gross domestic product while requiring a super-majority for any tax increase, with exceptions only for war or legitimate emergencies.”

Another theme from earlier Republican conventions is a call for term limits for members of Congress. But the Party opposes any amendment that would establish statehood for the District of Columbia.

Perhaps the most-publicized part of the platform deals with the same-sex marriage controversy, including the Supreme Court’s Windsor and Obergefell decisions.

“In Obergefell, five unelected lawyers robbed 320 million Americans of their legitimate constitutional authority to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The Court twisted the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment beyond recognition. To echo Scalia, we dissent,” the platform says.

“We do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states,” the platform reads.

In comparison, the 2012 Republican Party platform asked for a federal amendment “defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.”

The 2016 GOP platform also asks for a constitutional amendment protecting the ability of parents to direct their children’s education and care without “interference by states, the federal government, or international bodies such as the United Nations.”

And at least you used a yahoo news article to decide "what the hell is this"... I mean the entire document is only 60+ pages long and covers everything from trade agreements to tax structure to healthcare to national defense.. and you decided "what the hell is this" based on 10 poorly written paragraphs that touch on 4 points...

Here is the whole document if you want to read it and talk intelligently about it.. or just keep quoting yahoo.. like you said, your ideology is different than mine.

-ben_1468872234.pdf]Republican platform


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yes, because my post about conservatives losing ground is rooted in fact.

look it up. the number of conservatives are declining in this country.

conservatives have an image problem. a policy problem. a social problem.

i posted the article and said "no wonder conservatives seem to lose more support..."

because guess what? there's a list of things in there that i do NOT agree with.

surprise surprise, i don't have to agree with you on ANYTHING.

hell, we don't agree on much to begin with. and thats becoming more and more apparent.

as far as the rest of your post about talking "intelligently", i'll take that as an insult.

so here's the deal. ill start talking intelligently when you stop acting like a PC butt hurt poster after every article i post.

but knowing you, i'll probably continue on talking stupid. with a smile on my face.

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The Party platforms have incredible time, work, and effort put into them, and then are almost always promptly ignored.

Trump will espouse the parts he wanted .... and others will support the parts they wanted, and in the end, it will not matter much at all.


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Swish , not sure what they are serving up in the University's today but : They Republicans hold the largest Majority in the House since before the Great Depression in the 30's , They are the Majority in The Senate .. The Left got Killed in 2010 and 2014 .. They control more Governorship by a huge margin and State Houses .. Now those are the facts , for real ! And I'm not even a Republican .

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we're talking voters bro. not government.


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we're talking voters bro. not government.


The voters had nothing to do with them getting in office?


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maybe i'm not being clear here. the number of conservative voters is declining.


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maybe i'm not being clear here. the number of conservative voters is declining.


Which is why there is a majority conservative house, senate, governorship's, and state legislatures?


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maybe i'm not being clear here. the number of conservative voters is declining.


Which is why there is a majority conservative house, senate, governorship's, and state legislatures?


yes. same reason why there is a liberal president.

who got voted in twice over a conservative. because historically, liberals typically show up in the general election.


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[quote=ErikInHell] yes. same reason why there is a liberal president.

who got voted in twice over a conservative. because historically, liberals typically show up in the general election.


Actually, a whole lot of morons show up for general elections that believe the only time they vote is for the president. They can't be bothered with local and state elections, and figure the president is the defacto 'dictator in charge' and don't understand a thing about how our government works. This is why I believe the liberal controlled teachers' unions make sure government and history is never taught, or changed to a liberal slant. The morons tend to vote for the most popular name they've heard on TV, radio, and the internet the most.


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ok. for you to call other people morons, this sure was a stupid post.

seeing as you couldn't actual refute anything i said, the fact that you went on a rant calling people morons is quite hilarious.

because of course you can't. what i said is rooted in fact.

but i get it. Morons, something something liberal....agenda this and that blah blah blah

you do understand that what you posted can be applied to you as well, correct?

everybody thinks they are informed voters, and everybody else are morons. we get it. you must be the smart one, right?


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Originally Posted By: Swish
ok. for you to call other people morons, this sure was a stupid post.

seeing as you couldn't actual refute anything i said, the fact that you went on a rant calling people morons is quite hilarious.

because of course you can't. what i said is rooted in fact.

but i get it. Morons, something something liberal....agenda this and that blah blah blah

you do understand that what you posted can be applied to you as well, correct?

everybody thinks they are informed voters, and everybody else are morons. we get it. you must be the smart one, right?


No, I meant exactly what I said. Morons come out to vote in presidential elections, without any clue of who they are voting for or why. I never said they were liberal or conservative, just that they were morons. But please, feel free to read whatever you want into my statements.

Now, that you have said what you are posting is based in fact, why don't you show the rest of us where you get your facts?


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The problem is Swish, just because you have the total numbers, that doesn't reflect who is actually voting. The Dems never show up during mid term elections. They stay home.

So no matter what the numbers show, they have to go to the polls to vote for their beliefs to hold any weight.


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http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx

40% in 2010, to 38% now.

liberals went up. the gap is closing. also, there are other websites going into the trends of voters and such.

but i posted the gallup that way you couldnt claim "liberal agenda lololololol"

as far as the rest of your post. i mentioned liberals show up more in the general, and then you go, "morons show up"

i simply put two and two together. maybe you should be clearer in your post.


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Just because people don't vote or believe like you do doesn't make them morons.

After reading your additional post you cleared that up.

BTW: States set the curriculum for public schools and books, not teachers.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
The problem is Swish, just because you have the total numbers, that doesn't reflect who is actually voting. The Dems never show up during mid term elections. They stay home.

So no matter what the numbers show, they have to go to the polls to vote for their beliefs to hold any weight.


but Pit, that was my whole point.

Dems don't show up during mid terms, or hell, much of anything except the general election.

so what does that really mean when Erik and them make try to make the counter claim of "why are they so many more conservative politicians?"

when you got Gerrymandering and people just not showing up to the booth on non-presidential elections, it's kind of obvious.


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Actually I was just trying to explain the answer to why you are right with your numbers and why it doesn't show up in elections.


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thanks.

man bro, at this point, it doesn't matter what i post and what facts i use to back it up. it's whatever.

Erik is the smart one. everybody else who isn't Erik is morons. whatever.


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To some extent I have to agree with him.

If you believe you can change things by only voting in presidential elections and can just skip the mid term elections, those who do that aren't very bright and don't understand how government works.

I know the way he delivers the message can be a little brash, but sometimes he has a point if you can read between the lines. lol


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Originally Posted By: Swish
http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/liberals-record-trail-conservatives.aspx

40% in 2010, to 38% now.

liberals went up. the gap is closing. also, there are other websites going into the trends of voters and such.

but i posted the gallup that way you couldnt claim "liberal agenda lololololol"

as far as the rest of your post. i mentioned liberals show up more in the general, and then you go, "morons show up"

i simply put two and two together. maybe you should be clearer in your post.



Your claim is completely bogus. If you actually look at the graph, you will see conservatives have remained relatively steady. This can be explained by just statistical anomaly.



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it's not bogus at all.

you guys got a slight little boost after the "obama birther movement", dropped back down, and now the numbers of liberals is rising.

it's cool bro, don't worry about it.

edit: my bad Erik.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188129/conservatives-hang-ideology-lead-thread.aspx

thats the newest one. you guys dropped another percent.

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anyways,

Trump ‘staff writer’ behind Melania speech apologizes for plagiarism scandal

https://www.yahoo.com/news/melania-trump-speech-writer-mciver-000000807.html

After two days of refusing to admit fault, Donald Trump’s campaign released a letter on Wednesday from a writer who said she offered her resignation for the firestorm caused by Melania Trump’s Republican National Convention speech.

The writer, Meredith McIver, said that she had inadvertently lifted passages from Michelle Obama’s speech while working with Melania Trump on a draft of the remarks.

“We discussed many people who inspired her and messages she wanted to share with the American people,” McIver wrote. “A person she has always liked is Michelle Obama. Over the phone, she read me some passages from Mrs. Obama’s speech as examples. … I did not check Mrs. Obama’s draft speeches.”


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Just because people don't vote or believe like you do doesn't make them morons.

After reading your additional post you cleared that up.

BTW: States set the curriculum for public schools and books, not teachers.


If they vote by name recognition or 'to make history' only, they must be morons.

States set the curriculum, yes, but states are influenced by the teachers unions in states that have teachers unions. Technology classes are also taking away from history and government classes, and the history and government are being downplayed.

My son had the good fortune of having a history teacher that was more of a purist this past year, and told me he learned more about American history in the past school year than he had throughout school. A good teacher can make a difference. The most important thing is to understand why our government is the way it is, and how it is supposed to work. Only then, can we make it work properly for all of us.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
it's not bogus at all.

you guys got a slight little boost after the "obama birther movement", dropped back down, and now the numbers of liberals is rising.

it's cool bro, don't worry about it.

edit: my bad Erik.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188129/conservatives-hang-ideology-lead-thread.aspx

thats the newest one. you guys dropped another percent.


After looking at the graph over a period of time, it's still consistent. You are trying to interpret facts to meet the agenda you want to espouse.



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