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Why make such an outrageous trade? I think the Browns made the right move by trading the pick and acquiring more picks.

Why make such an outrageous trade? I think the Browns made the right move by trading the pick and acquiring more picks.

The college game just isn't producing those guys any longer.... so you have to shift to playing the long game and take guys you feel have the tools to grow into it.

LOL...........so, you are just going to ignore our earlier conversation and not apologize?

you're funny. apologize for what? and when was the last to you apologized to me. Later man...your ego is just way too big.

If I am wrong.....I apologize.

J/C.

A lot of people deal in absolutes in regards to wether a QB rook should start or sit. There are so many other factors that I don't think you can. The depth of the squad and supporting cast, the other QBs on the roster, the offense similarity with what they are used to and the complexity of the playbook and of course, their own abilities etc. Some as mentioned come in and start with success on day 1 and don't look back. Others take a pounding and tail spin out of football. Some sit and excel, others sit and suck. If Wentz sits, we won't know what that means until long after today.

Rams: When will kid gloves come off for rookie QB Jared Goff


By Ryan Kartje, rkartje@ocregister.com,

LOS ANGELES >> Over the course of 21 seasons as an NFL head coach, Jeff Fisher has been charged with the development of just two rookie franchise quarterbacks. With each, he proceeded with industrial-strength kid gloves.

Steve McNair, the third overall pick in 1995, started just two games as a rookie in Houston, then four as a sophomore before finally rising to the top of the depth chart in his third season. He stayed for a decade.

By the time the Titans moved on, drafting Texas phenom Vince Young as McNair’s replacement, the league’s standard for developing quarterbacks had shifted. But true to form, Fisher waited as long as he could to throw the Heisman runner-up into the fire. After three straight losses to open the season, though, Young was named the starter in Week 4. He went on to win Rookie of the Year, leading the league in fourth-quarter comebacks. But the success was fleeting. Four years later, he was released.

It should come as no surprise then, given the past that colors this conservative approach, that Fisher has been in no hurry to anoint his latest rookie quarterback, Jared Goff, to unquestioned starter until absolutely, unabashedly necessary.

But trust this: Fisher understands the price the Rams paid to move to No. 1 and select Goff. Six picks. Two first-rounders. Not to mention a new city of prospective fans waiting to see what unfolds. Mishandling Goff would almost certainly mean a clean sweep of the front office and coaching staff.

This is the reality in today’s NFL, where the pressure to start quarterbacks early has never been higher, leaving far less room for nuance than in 1995, when McNair spent two seasons carrying a clipboard. All five quarterbacks selected at No. 1 since Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell in 2007 have been in the starting lineup for Week 1. None has had the weight of a rejuvenated franchise on his shoulders.

On the final day of OTAs in June, Fisher was asked whether Goff would get the majority of the team’s first-team reps at training camp, in order to prepare for a Week 1 debut on “Monday Night Football.”

“We haven’t changed our philosophy,” Fisher said. “We’re going to coach him to be successful. We’re not going to put him in with a chance to fail. That’s the most important thing in developing a young quarterback.”

A few hours before the question was posed, Goff stood under center, taking snaps with the first-team offense. It would be his worst practice yet as a Ram. Goff threw four interceptions, missing high and wide, never quite finding a rhythm. It was a dispiriting conclusion to an otherwise impressive three weeks. Shortly after practice, Fisher declared that incumbent Case Keenum would open camp as the starter.




When Kurt Warner signed with the Giants in 2004, after six years and a Super Bowl in St. Louis, the 34-year-old former league MVP understood that he was only a stopgap. Six weeks earlier, New York had traded for Eli Manning, the No. 1 overall pick, on draft night.

Manning was the new face of the franchise. Still, Warner hoped he could start 16 games and parlay it into another contract elsewhere.

Then, as Manning struggled through camp, the prospect didn’t seemed so farfetched. “Quite frankly, I was the better quarterback,” says Warner, now an NFL Network analyst.

Manning’s timing was off. He was clearly overwhelmed. Suffice to say, he looked like a rookie, drowning in an offense that was still over his head.

“Everything pointed to me being the starter,” Warner says. “The bigger question was for how long? How soon did they feel Eli would be ready? Or, really, how soon did they want to look to the future?”

The answer: Nine games. At 5-4, Warner was benched in favor of the overwhelmed rookie. Manning proceeded to lose six straight, while “learning on the fly.”

All season, as Warner tried to help Manning navigate the offense, he was confident he was the better option to win. But sitting patiently through Manning’s growing pains, Giants coach Tom Coughlin told him, was for the good of the franchise. Two Super Bowls later, he doubts the coach regrets his decision.

“Coaches that are more secure and are willing to say, ‘I’m not going to start this guy right away, and let him learn,’ I still think those are always the best-case scenarios,” Warner says. “But we just know there’s a lack of patience in our business.”

Over the past decade, though, patience with a rookie quarterback drafted in the top-10 has hardly been a foolproof method for development. Since Fisher and the Titans drafted Young third overall in 2006, only six of the 16 quarterbacks selected in the top 10 failed to secure a starting spot for the season opener. Fifteen of 16 were starters by Week 5, with Russell as the exception. But among those six briefly held out – Young, Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Matt Leinart, Jake Locker, and Blake Bortles – there isn’t much in the way of NFL success. Their combined career record sits at a sad 71-109.

“The quarterbacks that end up really good hit the ground running,” says Pro Football Focus analyst Sam Monson. “They warp expectations.”

Warner sees tools in Goff that suggest he could be one of those special few – the footwork, the pocket presence, the quick release. Still, no matter when Goff starts, the former Rams star assures there will be growing pains. It’s how Goff navigates those obstacles that could very well define him.

“Being a starter Day 1 goes beyond how smart (Goff) is, how well he knows an offense, what kind of throws he can make,” Warner says. “It’s the demeanor that makes up who that player is. “How is he going to handle failure?”

* * *

Considering his 21-32 record in Berkeley, there was plenty of that to go around during Goff’s tenure, when Cal’s rebuild meant climbing out from a devastating 1-11 record in his freshman season. But it was in the midst of early struggles that former Cal offensive coordinator Tony Franklin saw what he thought to be flashes of true greatness.

In his first game against Northwestern, the stringy, 175-pound Goff threw for 450 yards, but gave away two pick-sixes in the second half, both of which were frustratingly tipped at the line. Franklin watched for signs of his quarterback deflating. But as the game went on, Goff only steeled in his resolve.

“He never, ever lost any confidence in himself,” Franklin said. “Even then.”

This resilience is one of many reasons Franklin is sure Goff could succeed right away in the NFL – assuming, of course, he’s put in a position to be successful. “There’s nothing worse than having a really talented guy, but then asking him to do stuff he can’t do,” he says.

Last season, Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, drafted first and second overall, were introduced as their team’s starting quarterbacks before training camp began. But both the Bucs and Titans, respectively, took different approaches to keeping their quarterbacks comfortable and confident. With Mariota, that meant installing counter option fakes and half-field reads to ease his transition from Oregon’s spread offense. For Winston, who came from a pro-style system at Florida State, the Bucs more or less trusted him to adapt to the system they had in place. Both strategies, in their own ways, worked.

In Goff’s case, Fisher has been open about the Rams’ plans to ease his transition with a heavy dose of running back Todd Gurley. In an ideal world, Gurley’s constant presence would mean an extra defender in the box and more 1-on-1 matches deep and on the edges for Goff to exploit.

“Jeff Fisher’s offense has been at its happiest when he’s had an Eddie George to ride as far as he’ll take him,” Monson says. “All you’d really need Goff to do is to pick up the slack when Gurley can’t quite get it done on his own.”

In speaking with his former pupil, Franklin says Goff has noticed a number of similarities between Cal’s offensive concepts and those he’s learning in Los Angeles – somewhat contrary to the concerns about his ability to transition from an Air Raid offense at Cal.

How much Fisher or offensive coordinator Rob Boras will have to water down the game plan to cater to Goff remains to be seen. But during OTAs, Fisher gave some indication, refusing to simplify defensive coverages against Goff. “That’s just not our nature,” he said.

Of course, starting a rookie quarterback in Week 1 isn’t in Fisher’s nature, either. But with Goff, it’s fair to wonder if Fisher’s conservative approach of the past could become more progressive in a hurry. If Goff doesn’t surpass Keenum before Week 1, expect doubts, fair or not, to roll in, even as those closest to Goff trust that he would take it in stride.

In his first news conference introducing Goff, Fisher suggested that starting the rookie quarterback in Week 1 was “the goal.” In the coming weeks, he’ll undoubtedly be held to that, as Goff’s development – and his own decisions – will be put under the microscope.

But this time, in a city yearning for quick success and an impatient league desperate for positive returns on quarterbacks, there may not be enough time – or patience – for kid gloves.

Eagles News: Browns don't think Carson Wentz will be a top 20 quarterback in the NFL
By Brandon Lee Gowton  @BrandonGowton on Jul 31, 2016, 6:10




No matter what happens this year, Browns' search for a permanent quarterback will intensify - ESPN
Had Goff been available at No. 2, DePodesta indicated, it would have been a more difficult choice. But Wentz was not considered a top 20 NFL quarterback in the consensus opinion of the New Browns Order. "We have to make judgments on the individual players and we’re not always going to be right," DePodesta said. "But in this particular case, we just didn’t feel it was necessarily the right bet to make for us at this time. Again, it comes down to individual evaluation of a player. We will not always be right on those type of things. "I think the hardest part, and where we have to stay the most disciplined, as much as you want a player, you can’t invent him if he doesn’t exist. In a given year, there may be two or three NFL-ready quarterbacks at the college level. In another year, there literally may be zero. There just may be not be anybody in that year who’s good enough to be a top 20 quarterback in the NFL. "Even though you have a desperate need for one, you have to resist the temptation of taking that guy just because you have a need if you don’t believe he’s one of those 20 guys at the end of the day. I think that’s the hardest part, just maintaining your discipline because you have the need. That’s what we did this year."

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We have to make judgments on the individual players and we’re not always going to be right," DePodesta said. "But in this particular case, we just didn’t feel it was necessarily the right bet to make for us at this time. Again, it comes down to individual evaluation of a player. We will not always be right on those type of things.

While I didn't want the Browns to draft Wentz, I gotta wonder why DePo would open his mouth like that???? Dude, just shut the hell up.

In fairness, he did say "We can't say for sure we were right, but" that was the way the decision came down. Likely in response to a direct question.

While I didn't want the Browns to draft Wentz, I gotta wonder why DePo would open his mouth like that???? Dude, just shut the hell up.

This type of thing happens a lot when quotes are pulled out of bigger interviews. A lot of context gets lost.

Having said that nothing Depo was quoted as saying in the above posts should cause people to react with "shut the hell up".

This type of thing happens a lot when quotes are pulled out of bigger interviews. A lot of context gets lost.

Having said that nothing Depo was quoted as saying in the above posts should cause people to react with "shut the hell up".

This type of thing happens a lot when quotes are pulled out of bigger interviews. A lot of context gets lost.

Having said that nothing Depo was quoted as saying in the above posts should cause people to react with "shut the hell up".