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Somebody take a crack at what they think it'll be this early in the year. There's always big suprises, but here's my super early guess:
QB-Frye, Anderson, Quinn
RB-Lewis, Harrison, Wright
FB-Vickers, Ricard
WR-Edwards, Jurevicius, WIlson, Carter, Cribbs
TE-Winslow, Heiden, Dinkins
OT-Thomas, Shaffer, Butler
OG-Steinbach, Tucker, McKinney, Sowells
C-Fraley, Friedman
DE-Roye, Smith, Fraser, Kelley?
NT-Washington, Smith
OLB-Wimbley, McGinest, Peek, McMillan, Stewart
ILB-Davis, Jackson, Williams, Thompson, Griffin
CB-Bodden, Wright, Wright, Holly, McDonald
S-Jones, Pool, Adams, Hamilton
K-Dawson
P-Zastudil
LS-Pontbriand
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No Baxter?
I would not be too surprised to see us carry 10 o-line this year because of the uncertainty of Shaffer's future... until it is known if he can transition to the right side. I'd keep the ones you have and add Matua. Then dump Adams to make a spot.
All in all, my early guess would be about the same as yours.
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Don't know squat yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if Steptoe were there instead of Carter. I imagine much will depend on who drops the fewest balls in TC. Be interesting to see if Matua sticks. Parker over Kelly? Or Purcell? Pitman maybe? Unck over Griffin possibly. Fontenot & Lesueur have been making some noise and don't forget about Minter.
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Nah I think it's either Sowells or Matua and not both. If we keep another O-LIne it would be a tackle, not a OG/C......and Nat Dorsey is not good enough to keep over Mike Adams or McMillan, etc. Hard to tell who that other DT is gonna be. Kelley, Parker, PIttman, Purcell? I think they like Kelly's versatility to play DE or NT, and the fact that he has been around for a while.
I also think Griffin or Short make it over Unck. We basically upgraded our ST linebacker by signing those two guys.
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Don't know squat yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if Steptoe were there instead of Carter. I imagine much will depend on who drops the fewest balls in TC.
In the case of Carter, he's gotta stay healthy.. the kid can play if he is healthy.
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I'm wondering...what about Syndric Steptoe, Melila Purcell, and Chase Pittman?
I think maybe Kelley and/or Frasor could end up hittin the bricks. Prolly not Kelley because he can handle the NT spot. Possibly, I think maybe Chaun could end up left out, or one of the LBs because 10 seems to be alot.
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wow i totally forgot that we still had stewart on our roster...i could have sworn i thought we let him go....hmm we did let someone go that was from columbus mayb it was someone else
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Don't know squat yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if Steptoe were there instead of Carter. I imagine much will depend on who drops the fewest balls in TC.
In the case of Carter, he's gotta stay healthy.. the kid can play if he is healthy.
I know he can run. We'll see if he can play. 
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Do you think we keep two FB. this season ?
Special team players are where you need to look !
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I think dinkins might not make the cut this year cuz we might want to use more WR sets and need more WRs...just a feeling so 2 TEs and one more WR
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I'll it a shot.
QB - Frye, Quinn, Anderson
RB - Lewis, Harrison, Wright
FB - Vickers, Ricard
WR - Edwards, Jurevicius, Wilson, Carter, Cribbs
TE - Winslow, Heiden, Dinkins
OT - Thomas, Shaffer, Butler, Dorsey
OG - Steinbach, McKinney, Tucker, Sowells
C - Fraley, Friedman
DE - Roye, Smith, Fraser, Harris
DT - Washington, Smith, Kelley
OLB - Wimbley, Peek, McGinest, Stewart
ILB - Davis, Jackson, Williams, Thompson
CB - Bodden, Wright, Holly, McDonald
S - Jones, Pool, Hamilton, Adams
K - Dawson
P - Zastudil
ST - Pontbriand, Short
PUP List: Bentley, Baxter
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Do you think we keep two FB. this season ?
God it's so early,, I just don't know how things will shake out.. neither does Phil and RAC I bet,,, but if I were to guess, I'd say no! But I really don't know.
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Here's mine....  (In starting order) QB - Anderson Frye Quinn RB - Lewis Wright Harrison FB - Vickers TE - Winslow Heiden WR - Edwards JJ Wilson Carter Cribbs LT - Thomas Shaffer LG - Steinbach McKinney C - Fraley McKinney RG - Tucker Friedman RT - Shaffer Butler LE - Roye Fraser NT - Washington Smith RE - Smith Kelley OLB - Wimbley McGinest Peek Stewart MLB - Davis Jackson Williams Thompson CB - Bodden Wright Holly Wright S - Jones Pool Hamilton Adams K - Dawson P - Zastudil KR - Cribbs Carter PR - Carter Cribbs LS - Pontibriand
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Here's my 2 cents....
QB: Frye, Quinn, Anderson
RB: Lewis, Wright, Harrison
FB: Vickers
OT: Thomas, Tucker, Schaffer
OG: Steinbach, McKinney, Matua
C: Fraley
C/G: Friedman
TE: K2, Heiden, Dinkins
WR: Edwards, Jurevicius, Wilson, Carter
WR/KR: Cribbs
WR/PR: Steptoe
DE: Roye, R. Smith, Frasier, Harris, Purcell
NT: Washington, S. Smith, Parker
OLB: McGinest, Wimbley, Peek, Stewart
ILB: Davis, Jackson, Williams,
CB: Bodden, E. Wright, Holly, Perry, Minter
S: Jones, Pool, Hamilton, Adams
ST/LB: Unck, Short
K: Dawson
P: Zastudil
LS: Pontbriand
Practice Squad: DE Pittman and CB/S McDonald...good prospects, but too crowded at their positions to make the final roster
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I can't believe most people don't have Minter making the team. 
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Of course YOU do.  The fact is he had a second round grade on a lot of draft experts boards and only dropped because of injury. He should be healthy with a year in the system to help him. I guess we will all see how it shakes out when camp begins.
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QB - Frye, Quinn, Anderson
RB - Lewis, Harrison, Wright
FB - Vickers, Ricard
WR - Edwards, Jurevicius, Wilson, Carter, Cribbs
TE - Winslow, Heiden, Dinkins
OT - Thomas, Shaffer, Butler, Dorsey
OG - Steinbach, McKinney, Tucker, Sowells
C - Fraley, Friedman
DE - Roye, Smith, Fraser, Harris
DT - Washington, Smith, Kelley
OLB - Wimbley, Peek, McGinest, Stewart
ILB - Davis, Jackson, Williams, Thompson
CB - Bodden, Wright, Holly, McDonald
S - Jones, Pool, Hamilton, Adams
K - Dawson
P - Zastudil
ST - Pontbriand, Short
PUP List: Bentley, Baxter
I think this looks pretty spot on for what we'll see come Sept.
The only thing to keep and eye on is the QB position - there's a chance we'll see a trade if we get the right offer along with some other things falling into place (Quinn signs and gets into camp, another team has a need, etc..)
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why two FB's?? thats retarded to me....
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i find it hard to believe that unk/short wont make the team.
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I agree...I think we go with either (1) FB and (3) TEs or ... (2) FBs and (2) TEs. I personally prefer to have that 3rd TE with Winslow's surgery.
(2) FBs w/ (3) TEs makes sense if Vickers is viewed as being a swing guy between RB and FB. (3) RBs looks a little thin to me.
(8) is not enough on OL...but (10) looks/feels like too many. Depth guys who can only play (1) position are in jeopardy. (i.e. Dorsey, Butler, Matua?)
I'll be very disappointed if Minter does not make the team. He needs to be better than the older Wright. I think Adams is camp fodder...any CBs who could help at S should push this guy off the team.
I can't see Stewart continuing to hold off the young guns and I wouldn't be surprised if A Davis is on the bubble. If someome takes AD's starting spot, I think he'll be gone altogether. I don't think he has progressed much and he is pretty limited in what he can do. I don't like his play and his upside is nil.
If a viable free agent RB, WR, or CB comes available, this could get very interesting.
For certain, we will be cutting some players that will surprise some people...and it's about time.
It would be nice if we could trade a player (who we can actually afford to trade) and gain some picks. Unfortunately, while I think we are getting better, we still don't have the depth to trade someone from a position of strength to gain those picks.
Tradeable = We can probably do fine without them and some other team might actually want them in exchange for a pick...any pick.
Our most tradeable players? Shaffer...and uh, well...that's it.
Two guys I like who are in jeopardy? Fraser and Kelley
Player most likely to end up on IR w/ a hangnail? K Dorsey. We want him around but he won't be #3 and it's too early for him to pass on the $$$ and move to coaching.
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QB - Frye, Anderson, Quinn
RB - Lewis, Wright, Barclay
FB - Vickers
WR - Edwards, Jurevicius, Wilson, Carter
TE - Winslow, Heiden, Krause
OT - Thomas, Shaffer, Butler, Tucker
OG - McKinney, Steinbach, Sowells, Friedman
C - Fraley
DE- Roye, Smith, Parker, Purcell, Harris
DT - Washington, Smith, Kelley
OLB - Wimbley, McGinest, Peek, Short, Griffin
ILB - Davis, Jackson, Williams, Thompson
CB - Wright E,, Holly, Bodden, Wright, K., LeSeur
S - Jones, Pool, Hamilton, Adams
K - Dawson
P - Zastudil
RS - Cribbs, Steptoe
PUP - Bentley, Baxter, Minter (if he his knee isn't healthy)
Not making the cut: Jerome Harrison, Jereme Perry, Nat Dorsey
Guys who could "get hurt" and move to IR: Chase Pittman (needs to bulk up), Kendrick Mosley
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Do you think we keep two FB. this season ?
God it's so early,, I just don't know how things will shake out.. neither does Phil and RAC I bet,,, but if I were to guess, I'd say no! But I really don't know.
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Just curious is Heiden our Long Snapper?
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I could be wrong, but I think Krause has experience Long Snapping.
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I agree...I think we go with either (1) FB and (3) TEs or ... (2) FBs and (2) TEs. I personally prefer to have that 3rd TE with Winslow's surgery.
That's the exact reason why I think we go with 3 TEs. If Winslow needs to sit a week, you don't want to have to go out of your way to bring a guy in that doesn't know the system. Dinkins isn't great, but he can fill in when need be and can play some special teams.
The reason why I think we go 2 FBs is because Vickers and Ricard do two different things. Right now, Vickers' primary use to us is as a running and receiving fullback (and QB if you ask Mo  ); I don't think his blocking has developed yet to the point where he's better than Ricard in that aspect. Ricard won't get many touches, but for the downfield running system that Jamal Lewis seems to think we'll be using, he's good stuff. In fact, I don't think the Terrelle Smith cut shows that we're ready for Vickers to take over all responsibilities, I just think it was because he stunk. IMO Ricard is just a Smith subsitute this year, as he is still a veteran downfield blocking specialist, but has run with Lewis before, making the transition easier.
Also, while I'd love for Unck and Short to both make the team, they essentially perform the same duty. I don't know if we have enough room on the roster for 3 (Ponti included) guys that are completely restricted to special teams.
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I knew Heiden was our emergency Long Snapper in the past.
But honestly...Ponti is one of the finest longsnappers I have ever seen in the NFL.
I think it would be a big mistake to drop him from our Special Teams - besides he really does get down there in pursuit on punts.
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I agree.....he is a guy who brings a specific value to the team v some guy who does things 6 others can do.
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I won't deny Pontbriand is good, but I guess the Browns have options. Between Krause, Pontbriand, Dinkins, Ricard, Short, Griffin, and Unck, that's a lot of guys who are primarily special teams options. Also in terms of special teams, the Browns have lacked a real threat at the gunner spots since Bodden was moved into the starting lineup
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One thing I do know is that we will keep 5 CBs and 5 ILBs. We have been thin at CB in years past and we have a lot of guys good enough to make the teamt there as depth and ST players. Either Griffin, Unck, or Short will be the 5th ILB as a special team ace.
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Rather than critique I might as well make my own roster.
hehehe...I'm stuck right up front with the QBs lol 
I'm pretty sure we are keeping Dorsey as the mentor for Quinn. I'm equally sure we won't carry 4 QBs...I seriously doubt we even think of releasing CF - which I guess with deductive reasoning Anderson will be let loose. OK talked myself into it. 
QB: Frye, Quinn n Dorsey (3)
RB: Lewis, Harrison n Wright (3)
FB: Vickers (1)
WR: Edwards, Wilson, JJ, Carter n Cribbs (5)
TE: Winslow, Heiden n Dinkens (3)
OL Starters: Thomas, Steinbach, Fraley, Tucker n Shaffer (5)
OL Depth: McKinnie, Sowells n Butler (3)
Offense - (23)
DE: Roye, Robaire, Fraser n Harris (4)
NT: TW, Smith n Kelley (3)
OLB: McG, Wimbley, Peek n Purcell (4)
ILB: DQ, Andra, Leon and Thompson (4)
CB: Bodden, E. Wright, Holley, McDonald n Minter (5)
Safeties: Jones, Pool n Hamilton (3)
Defense - (23)
Special Teams (5)
K - Dawson
P - Zastudil
LS - Pontriand
Specialists - Unck, Barclay
Thats a total of 51 leaving room for two more.
Guys on the bubble.
OL - Smith, Dorsey n Friedman
DL - Parker
LB - Clifton Smith
DB - Perkins, Fontenot, Perry, Adams
WR - Steptoe
Real Tough calls - OL I don't think anyone there stays.
Parker I think he can make it...he plays both NT and DE
Smith all depends on Special Teams.
Perkins very likely but Fontenot has been the surprise of the wanabees....all depends if Perkins steps up he has it.
I say Parker n Perkins.
Steptoe will go on practice squad along with Pittman
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hehehe...I'm stuck right up front with the QBs lol
I'm pretty sure we are keeping Dorsey as the mentor for Quinn. I'm equally sure we won't carry 4 QBs...I seriously doubt we even think of releasing CF - which I guess with deductive reasoning Anderson will be let loose. OK talked myself into it.
QB: Frye, Quinn n Dorsey (3)
RB: Lewis, Harrison n Wright (3)
FB: Vickers (1)
WR: Edwards, Wilson, JJ, Carter n Cribbs (5)
TE: Winslow, Heiden n Dinkens (3)
OL Starters: Thomas, Steinbach, Fraley, Tucker n Shaffer (5)
OL Depth: McKinnie, Sowells n Butler (3)
Offense - (23)
DE: Roye, Robaire, Fraser n Harris (4)
NT: TW, Smith n Kelley (3)
OLB: McG, Wimbley, Peek n Purcell (4)
ILB: DQ, Andra, Leon and Thompson (4)
CB: Bodden, E. Wright, Holley, McDonald n Minter (5)
Safeties: Jones, Pool n Hamilton (3)
Defense - (23)
Special Teams (5)
K - Dawson
P - Zastudil
LS - Pontriand
Specialists - Unck, Barclay
Thats a total of 51 leaving room for two more.
Guys on the bubble.
OL - Smith, Dorsey n Friedman
DL - Parker
LB - Clifton Smith
DB - Perkins, Fontenot, Perry, Adams
WR - Steptoe
Real Tough calls - OL I don't think anyone there stays.
Parker I think he can make it...he plays both NT and DE
Smith all depends on Special Teams.
Perkins very likely but Fontenot has been the surprise of the wanabees....all depends if Perkins steps up he has it.
I say Parker n Perkins.
Steptoe will go on practice squad along with Pittman
JMHO
Yeah, this looks pretty good to me too. Call it a gut feeling, but I do think that Matt Stewart somehow finds a way on this roster.
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Positives: Has a smooth frame that can carry at least another 20 pounds for a potential move to tackle … High energy type who is quick off the snap, easily slipping by blockers on stunts … Shows good arm power as he consistently out-muscles blockers in one-on-one situations … Adequate knifing through traffic, feeling pressure to react well while shedding blocks downfield … Shows the short-area burst to plug the rush lanes and looks comfortable making plays on the move … Displays the functional foot speed to get into the gaps, using his explosion to flush the quarterback out of the pocket … Could shift inside to tackle at the pro level to take advantage of his agility and wrap-up tackling ability, but he can also come off the edge at end in a 3-4 defensive alignment.
Negatives: Has speed limitations in long pursuit … Sometimes has problems locating the ball carrier … Gets to the quarterback effectively on stunts, but struggles when using his hands to get off blocks … Some teams feel he can play inside at tackle, but he will need to add bulk to his frame in order to compete there at the next level … Must be more active with his hands to defeat low blocks … Gets washed out of the play vs. double teams, as he will get tall in his stance and leave his chest exposed.
Compares To: Reggie Hayward, Jacksonville Jaguars … With a lack of timed speed, Purcell is best served to play tackle in a 4-3 alignment, but needs to add more bulk to his frame. He has the short-area burst to get to the quarterback, but his acceleration tapers off when running long distances. He has to do a better job of protecting his body with his hands, but he has the high energy motor to disrupt the backfield.
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2004: Bothered most of the year by a chest bruise.
2005: Missed the New Mexico State and San Jose State games with a left knee sprain that bothered him throughout the season.
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Campus: 5.19 in the 40-yard dash … 405-pound bench press … Bench pressed 225 pounds 28 times … 405-pound squat … 264-pound power clean … 31-inch vertical jump … 8-foot-11 broad jump … 4.71 20-yard shuttle … 7.59 three-cone drill … 33¾-inch arm length … 10 3/8-inch hands … Right-handed.
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My feeling with the CB's is that in an emergency, Mike Adams can play Corner, like he did in Frisco.
I disagree on the ILB's, since I can't see them keeping both Short and Unck, but it's just a pesonal opinion. I think a big part of that is that Leon Williams is backing up both ILB positions.
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I see 3 tight ends for sure on the final roster. I think that Chud is going to use alot of 2 tight end sets and we'll need K2, Heiden and Dinkins, especially like was mentioned K2 coming off surgery. And no offence BigC but there's no way was Harrison not make the cut behind Jamal. I see Jerome having a break out year as a change of pace/third down back. I like Barclay, but it's going to be hard for him to still have any juice left after a full NFL Europe season, TC and the preseason. Guess we'll see.
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Your roster looks good, (and it actually looks like a decent roster,) only I'm guessing that Anderson stays instead of Dorsey because I figure the determining priority will be performance on field rather than in the film room. JMHO
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"Please explain to me how Purcell will play OLB."
Well you tell me where a 269 lb edge rushing College DE goes on a team that utilizes the 3-4.
Almost all that was written there was regarding 4-3 defenses with one little exception.
"but he can also come off the edge at end in a 3-4 defensive alignment."
And like most Bozo's  they got it wrong...The defenders who "COME OFF THE EDGE" in the 3-4 allignment are the OLBs not the DEs.
So the report is saying that in a 3-4 allignment he can be an edge rusher. In our case a SOLB candidate to learn from Willie McG and compete with Peek n McMillan as possible future players?
Hope that explains it. Where this scout comes up with DT I don't know where from.
I don't know he is 6'5" so possibly he has a frame to grow into??? But do you really think we spent a draft pick prospect (late as he was) on somebody who will have to GAIN 40 lbs to play the position we intended for him???
Or lose 5 - and be a prospect for our OLB spot???
You tell me.
JMHO
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None taken...I struggled with that decision. Harrison's pass pro last year was bad, and it put the team in a position where they really didn't trust him (shocking for a late round rookie, I know) . I think Barclay has more upside as a 3rd down back, but it's a crapshoot.
I see three TE's staying also...read in the PD today too that Shea is rumored to come back, which seemed odd, but oh well. I just see Dinkins gettin poop canned since he's mostly a ST'er.
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