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From what I've read and heard, Trump is gonna need 60-65% of whites to vote for him because he has zero chance with minority groups. It's gonna be interesting. I think Romney had 59%? Someone please feel free to fact check me on that.

So depending solely on one demographic in this country is gonna make America great? And signify unity?

I'm not sure how people thinks he has a chance.

HA!
Where have I heard that before?
Oh yea, when he entered the race against 17 fine Republicans of all races and genders.

???

That makes no sense. Your boy has a lost no support from minority groups.

Wake up already, Trump has destroyed everyone he has faced!
All the time everyone was saying his popularity would fade, including me and now he is a step away from being our next President!

So he needs to destroy the minorities to win?

What?

He needs only to destroy Hillary and she is doing a good job of that herself.

Because Hillary has no support from her own party. Now the conspiracy theorists that supported Bernie have even further reason to not vote for Hillary based on the wiki leaks. If Bernie pulls off a Cruz during the primary it'll be the final nail in Hillarys coffin. If he truly comes out and fully endorses her, she'll have a fighting chance. I don't see that happening. The Bernie base is why Hillary will lose this thing. Hillary had the wildcard of Millennial turnout, but she screwed the pooch on that by how things with Bernie have happened.

Trump is going to need white males to come out in droves and vote. I'll be interested to see how white females vote. I think that is where the fate of this election will rest. Hillary needs to aggressively target that base. She's not going to get any significant portion of the white male vote with the exception of millennials. Just like Trump won't get any support from minorities.

By the way, just to show I'm not making this up. I've never heard of a candidate having ZERO support from the black voting base. I mean hell, Trump has a higher approval rating with Hispanics.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-ele...nia-nbc-n609026

Hilary has support of most of the party.

The support comparison isn't even valid bro, if we're talking strictly party. Trumps support from the GOP is beyond rockier than anything you can come up with for Hilary.

Mitt Romney had the majority of the white vote, and it didn't even matter. And he was a solid character person.

Trump will get the white males in droves probably. You're absolutely right.

But you forgot, women outnumber men now. Ivanka's little speech isn't enough for women to magically forget all the nonsense trump has said about them over the years.

He's certainly not gonna get any Latino or black women to vote.

Bernie has already endorsed Clinton. Of course he's gonna do the same at the DNC.

Hilary has the upper hand, even with all the crap she's gotten away with. Hilary simply speaks to a multiple of demographics.

Trump speaks to one. Ask mitt Romney what happens in that scenario.

I know you're not making it up.

But does it surprise you really?

Look at what time period guys like 40 talk about being great. They are trump supporters. Hell, they would probably vote for that Ex-Klan member too. I got an ugly feeling about that, BTW. If that dude even pulls 40 percent, we have a problem.

Anyway, Why the hell would black people support that, overall? His Latino support is virtually non existent. And they are a fast rising demographic.


The Republican Party themselves admitted to not reaching out to other races in this country.

Trump didn't solve that problem. Hell, he made it worse.

Mr. Peen - Newt had a great quote about Mr. Kasich ..

" I mean, you don’t want to live a life of being bitter and wandering around doing goofy things.”

*L* .. I thought that was very approprate ..

Had no clue u were so liberal .. Not even sure why Kasich is a republican .. Amnesty, open borders, refugees we can't vette, TPP/TPA .. Not sure exactly how any of that's conservative ...

Just so u know ... I'm an independent for 14 years now .. Left the Republican Party 2 years into JR's 1st term ... Actually voted for Clinton his 2nd term .. Think he's a POS human being but he had enough brains to stay the hell out of the way of a nice economic boom call edge the Internet ... Also balanced the budget ...

I hate both parties .. Think there all in for themselves and how much they can make .. IMO if your loyal to a party today it's one of 3 things ..

1. Your on the take .. Some type of goiv't subsidy
2. Your not paying attention
3. You have a problem drawing conclusions based on what is actually happening and how these folks are voting ..

I believe in getting rid of the debt ... I watched every second of every debate on both sides .. The one line that stuck out the most to me was delivered by Chritie when he said "71% of our federal budget goes for debt and entitlements" .. That economic formula is going to get u buried toot sweet especially with all the other things going on out there ..

I believe in order to have a country U need borders that people can't get in through .. If not, we don't have a country .. I don't want a world with open borders .. We have to have the wall that was first agreed to when Reagan made the worst decision and the one that made me start wondering about my party affiliation ... He agreed to amnesty for the 2 million illegals in 86 I believe with the law saying the wall would be built ..

I want a wall .. It's funded and authorized ..

I don't want to let 1 more refugee that we can't vette .. And I have no clue why anyone would disagree with that ..

ISIS has said they will mix operatives in with the refugees .. THEY'VE SAID IT ....

Our CIA and FBI directors have said we CAN'T VETTE THESE PEOPLE .. That's the experts the guys that know ...

Yet we're taking them in .. Please feel free to explain to me what UNIVERSE THAT MAKES SENSE IN???

- they want to kill us
- they've told us they will have jihadists mixed in with the refugees
- we can't vette them ..

And our conclusion is to continue to allow refugees in and then your going to tel me not to worry .. OH .. OK .. As long as u say so ..

This countries so upside down right now ..

Interesting.

Looks like Minnesota is having a really positive movement with the refugees.

But you know, gotta stay scared!!! Fear!!! Fear everything!!!

I will definently acknowledge getting 60-65% of the white vote is going to be a monumental task, but this has been an unorthodox primary season to say the least. Millennials (Bernie supporters) are not going to turn their back on the Democratic Party. They're more likely to just not vote. I think they'll let their voice be heard at the DNC and cause a uproar, but that's it.

However, it's like I said, this election will come down to white female voters. Trump needs to not say a damn thing about women from this point until November. Even if Hillary baits him (which I guarantee she does). Trump needs to just stfu the next few months and listen to his advisers. If I'm Clintons advisers, I make Trump open his mouth on women and make him bury himself.

I agree. That's definitely their campaign strategy. We will see who ends up folding first. After the DNC, the kids gloves from both sides are coming off.

I'm just spitballing, but if I was Hillary my strategy would be targeting this way

60% White females (go after this group as hard as humanly possible)
25% Millennials (just make sure they're on the same page and voting)
10% Minorities (this is locked up, but it never hurts to reinforce a comfortable lead)
5% White males (just do a little bit so Trump doesn't pull off something historic)

If I'm Trump:

70% White females (make or break for his entire election)
20% Millennials (Bernie sympathizers)
10% White males (he has this locked up)
0% Minorities (lol)

Yep. Other than stating policy, Hilary will run the day time TV spot. If she can get endorsed by the big names in day time TV, too easy.

If she can get Oprah, it's a done deal.



Get Bernie to make a solid speech, it'll be done.



Just don't say anything stupid.



This right here is the battle ground, IMO. I know you think it's the white females, but she can let some of that slip if she can pull the same numbers from white men as Obama did.

Obama pulled 44% I think.

If Hilary can pull about 38-40, it's over.

If he can't pull even 50it's gonna be tough to stay in. The women vote is tricky because they want to support their husbands but women today want empowerment. When Ivanka rambled on the stats, I saw on Twitter how a lot of women were saying "are you talking up your dad or Hilary for women?"

That says something.



His kids are popular enough to help him get this percentage. He needs to target those who feel wronged by affirmative action recently. That of course, will kill most of whatever small percentage of minority vote he has a remote shot of getting.



He needs 60-65 of this. He definitely has the white male vote. The question is, how much. He needs mitt Romney level of white males.



Nuff said.

For me, the apocalyptic scenario for each is:

Hilary - no grand gesture from Bernie during the DNC. Also, Another scandal pops up. I think she's used up her 9 lives. Anything major is gonna tank her.

Trump - fraud case from Trump U finds him guilty. Also.... Ted Cruz. As much as people are saying his national political career is done, that speech could end up biting trump on the ass as far as this election cycle. Trump needs no big name conservatives endorsing Gary Johnson.

The extent of his collection is actually quite extensive, either items that he oversees or items that he just sales his naming rights for someone to use on a product.
It isn’t just the ties.

Donald Trump has taken some grief for the fact that his signature neckties are made in China. But the scope of Trump-branded products made outside America is larger than has previously been reported — especially when that includes the clothing line named after Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, which is listed on the Trump Organization website as part of the Trump empire.

Thousands of items with the Trump name on them — furniture, shirts, shoes, salad bowls, even “Trump body soap,” and much of Ivanka’s growing jewelry and clothing line — have been made by companies, often paying Trump simply for the use of his name on their goods, that employ foreign workers.

They reviewed over 800 items from Ivanka's clothing line (which Donald lists as his asset) and found out that NONE of the items were made in the United States.

Yet somehow, people think trump is gonna fight those evil Chinese, knowing he'll dent his own daughters business?

Jim jones is alive and well.

If Bernie supports her and gives a fantastic speech endorsing her. That would greatly help. I think Obama is going to be pretty ruthless campaigning for her too. I think 99% of it would have to do with him giving a final "F you" to the republicans.

Those 2 are extremely popular with Millennials.

Kasich said today that he thinks that Trump can't win Ohio. And history says you have to win Ohio to get the prize.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...ohn_Kasich.html


Trump probably can't win Ohio, says state's governor, John Kasich
Updated: JULY 23, 2016 — 1:08 AM EDT
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A "divider" like GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump will have a hard time winning Ohio, an important battleground that could help decide the election in November, said Buckeye State Gov. John Kasich, a former Republican presidential candidate.

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"Ohio's a snapshot of the country. People in Ohio want to see a positive agenda, a positive way to move forward," Kasich said Friday in an interview at the Union League of Philadelphia. He attended a fund-raiser for Brian Fitzpatrick, a Bucks County Republican running for an open congressional seat.

Kasich's remarks came a day after Trump accepted the Republican Party's nomination at its convention in Cleveland. Kasich, who dropped out of the presidential primary campaign in May after Trump effectively clinched the nomination, did not attend the convention.

"Without an endorsement, I thought it would be inappropriate for me to go in there and make some kind of a talk," Kasich said.


By contrast, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who also unsuccessfully challenged for the nomination, gave a highly controversial prime-time speech Wednesday night at the convention in which he declined to endorse Trump. Cruz was booed off the stage but praised by some in the GOP for taking what they described as a principled stand.

Kasich, a second-term governor, said he watched Trump's acceptance speech but did not want to analyze it. "My position is, I'd like to see Donald become a unifier and positive. We just have some fundamental disagreements," he said, chuckling, "including a few areas: trade, immigration, foreign policy."

Kasich said he would not actively campaign against Trump. "I don't want to do that; that's not my interest," he said. "And we'll see what happens in the future. But right now, there's just too many differences."

Asked for whom he would vote, Kasich said, "There will be no way that I'm going to vote for Hillary Clinton. As for what I do in the end, I don't know."

Some have speculated that Kasich did not want to associate with Trump in part because the governor may run for president again in 2020.

"Undertaking a presidential campaign and beginning to understand all the false promises, and all that other stuff, that's not something that you look forward to," Kasich said. "I don't know what I'm going to do. Would I say definitely that I wouldn't? No. Would I say that I would? I have no clue."

Told of reports that the Trump campaign had asked Kasich to be the vice presidential nominee, with the understanding that he could be the most powerful vice president in U.S. history, the governor laughed and demurred.

"There were conversations between some of my advisers and some Trump people," he said. "That was then, and we're moving on. I can't tell you exactly what happened."

Trump chose Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his running mate. The Trump campaign has denied making Kasich the reported offer.

Kasich said he planned to campaign for Republican U.S. senators up for reelection, such as John McCain of Arizona and Mark Kirk of Illinois.

"I'm going to do this all over the country, both for Senate and House members, whenever they want me," Kasich said.

aseidman@phillynews.com

She has Obama, Bernie, Bill, and Warren.

All popular with millennials.

Trump has... His kids and......ummm.

Even the reasons he used in the interviews-one being the currency manipulation and the other being that simply this stuff isn't made here anymore-were both fact check and given a big false flag. One thing I didn't know is that there has been somewhat of a resurgence in the textile industry in the United States lately. Companies like Brooks Brothers make all of their ties and a bunch of their other clothing in the US now.

And myself personally will never accept the bs lies that are put out there that with the price of clothing and the profit margin that some of this cannot be made here

Well the profits are there.

Just not enough profits to get that yacht in two months instead of 4.

I forgot about Warren. She will be a huge plus.

Something else that I think hurts Trump. With Cruz stabbing him in the back and Kasich wanting nothing to do with him, Trumps only relatively strong support in his corner is Gingrich and Christie. After those 2 he's relying on washed up celebrities. Ryan needs to make up his damn mind and actually commit to Trump. From what I understand Bush Jr. doesnt really care for Trump. McCain and Romney would rather eat animal turds than endorse Trump.

Mike Pence has a LOT of cleaning up to do for Trump.

You brought up Pence.

Erik brought up a good point about Milo. Trump might have been able to steal a decent percentage of the LBGT community and others that support them.

But that was ruined with having Pence as VP.

The problem I saw, and this is just IMO, the RNC officially made trump a politician.

And now look, we're talking about trump having to rally the same support from basically one demographic like all the other recent republicans.

Old white guys.

He's now an official republican, and now he's stuck with the republican image problem.

From a campaign strategy perspective, good luck.

I'll just say this, even though it pains me and I hope I'm wrong; Donald Trump will be the next President. You all know I can't stand him but I just don't think Hillary gets it. She doesn't understand where the minds of the people are and she's convinced that it is her turn.

I think she's just trying to let the dust settle.

We will see where her game is at in the DNC.

She needs to pray that Bernie takes a truly high road. I could see it happening because I've never really questioned his integrity as a human being. I can't foresee him being like Cruz. I think Bernie is simply too much of a good dude to do that. As much as he hates the rigged system. I think in his heart, he's absolutely repulsed at the idea of Trump being president.

He would look like a true martyr if he fell on his sword and fought for what his base deems as the "greater good."

Not based on the election being based on the electoral college map. I just don't see it. I think that Trump will have a problem winning Florida, the Kaine pick makes it harder to win Virginia, Kasich is doing Trump no favors at all and now Trump is virtually tied or behind in states like Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada. Trump has to keep all these and win almost all of the swing states if he can not win Florida and Ohio. The math doesn't work.

Gotta stay scared? .. Ummm .. If San Bernadino and Orlando weren't a wake up call to U, then May god bless .. Maybe Nice or Turkey or Belgium or Paris would be a slight wake up call .. Oh and lookie lookie lookie ... In Kabul another 80 lives extinguished just 12 - 18 hours ago ...

I got the common sense to FEAR people that say they want to kill me when my gov't doesn't have the sense to at LEAST try and KEEP THEM OUT ...

I keep hearing that as a black man your afraid of .. Is it white cops are all cops? .. I am not making light of your fear .. I have no clue what it's like to walk in your shoes .. And I would never pretend to think I could ... Van Jones and Newt had a great talk on Facebook about a month ago ... If u haven't heard it .. U should go listen .. It's an honest and IMO realistic starting point to figuring that portion of the problem out ....

Anyhow your afraid of we'll just say cops until you clear it up for me ... But you don't fear the ISIS jihadists that we're giving free air fair and a place to stay cause we're such "nice" people ...

On American soil in less than 8 months just COUNTING THE MAJOR ATTACKS there's been 63 people killed by ISIS jihadists .. During that same time period how many blacks got killed by cops? ....

U DO THE MATH!!!

Sorry dude .. If u don't have the sense to be afraid with what's going on out there then like I said earlier .. May God Bless ...

If your happy with the direction of the country ... Then U and I have directly opposite views on how we want to live our lives .. And I don't mean this as a slam .. It's simply a fact .. How do folks with such opposing views unite? ..

- U either let in refugees U CAN'T VETTE or u don't ..
- U either protect the border or u don't
- U either want to own a gun or u don't
- U either want sanctuary cities or u don't
- U either want big gov't or u don't
- oBUMa care, all the regs on businesses
- U either think the gov't should re-distribute the wealth or u don't
- U either think passing a budget increasing an all ready 20 trillion debt is ACCEPTABLE or U don't

The list is endless .. And this divide is not along racial, religious or gender lines ... It's about FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPTS of how one wants to live their lives ...

How do u unite that? .. Seriously ... How do u unite that? .. ANYONE?

Good Luck to whoever wins this election ... Biggest hornets nest ever!

Kasich already bilked hard working Ohio folks out of 480 million dollars. I mean if screwing over Ohio's teachers, police, fireman, and Highway patrol officers didn't bother Kasich, and slapping Ohio's helpless developmental disabilities residents in the face didn't bother Kasich, he sure as hell is not going to worry about disrespecting anything.

how many americans have killed other americans?

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I must say that I am absolutely thrilled for Cleveland. The NBA Finals and the convention have been incredible for the city. I imagine with the Cavs winning that opening night and the regular season will be incredible for the downtown area. It'd be nice if the Indians made the playoffs too. I think they will.


The Browns......


Well.... Lol

Lots and Lots and Lots ... U wanna go there .. No problem .. You may dig a hole for yourself if u do .. I pay attention and am well informed and actually look for the truth and not just what fits my agenda .. But go ahead and open that door ..

BUT FIRST .. Before I engage in any other discussion with U, answer my questions ... And I will gladly answer any of yours and engage in a good back and forth .. But don't think for a second your going to dictate the direction of every convo w/o answering my questions .. What's FAIR is FAIR ...

Your move sir ..

GM - what r Kasich's shot at re-election ... Not just what u think, what's the mood in the state?

Also .. What's going to happen to the states finances w/o the fracking? .. And is the state going to be even madder if Hillary wins and then fracking is gone for at least 4 more years?

Will no fracking even be an issue? ... Economically and/or at the polls for John's re-election bid ...

Dudes lost his mind GM .. What a frickin WACKADOO ..