Dude if I took anything from the RNC to heart, I'd have a bunker waiting on the zombie apocalypse or something. How exhausting must it be to always live life in paranoia?
It wasn't that bad, but no doubt it is harder to talk facts about where we stand as a nation then it is to promose bubble up and rainbow stew to everybody. People lap that stufff up...I want my free stuff.
The biggest problem we have in this country is our backbone has been replaced by a wishbone.
For sure. Being afraid to talk about some of the issues we face in a plain, open, and honest manner is part of what has gotten us into this situation in the first place. I wrote this in another thread about Trump's speech at the RNC:
I hear about his 'horrible' speech at the RNC, and yet when I watched it, I heard many uplifting messages and him sticking up for many groups of people who have been ignored by politicians for far too long. He does mention some problems, from terrorism to police officers being violently targeted. He does so in words that are quite blunt which is both startling and refreshing. Mainstream media can get away with calling it a doomsday speech because it is over an hour long and they know most people won't watch the whole thing.
If I may Diam, both appear to be unacceptable in my and your world, unless of course either come from a politician. Then of course, either/both are to be expected and are often accepted.
Disgusting isn't it?
*L* .. Thanks for asking my permission ..
I'm gonna wait for Swish's response to reply though ... Wil get back to u after Mr. Swish gets back to me ..
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Dude if I took anything from the RNC to heart, I'd have a bunker waiting on the zombie apocalypse or something. How exhausting must it be to always live life in paranoia?
It wasn't that bad, but no doubt it is harder to talk facts about where we stand as a nation then it is to promose bubble up and rainbow stew to everybody. People lap that stufff up...I want my free stuff.
The biggest problem we have in this country is our backbone has been replaced by a wishbone.
That's funny, since the people complaining about a backbone seem to be the biggest spineless people I've ever met.
Facts and fear aren't one in the same.
I get sick of the puppies and rainbow nonsense as well. I've said that multiple times in multiple threads.
But your lack of transparency isn't even surprising anymore. You're cool with fear and hate mongering. That's also something I can't stand. But if you're cool with it, I understand why you're a conservative.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Swish...No, I am not cool with it. To me the threat from illegal immigration, which you might consider fear mongering is far greater then the collapse of Social Security, which has been a Dem staple for years and years.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
No, I am not cool with it. To me the threat from illegal immigration, which you might consider fear mongering is far greater then the collapse of Social Security, which has been a Dem staple for years and years.
But the facts say illegal immigration is down.
The threat is far greater for me to encounter racist than illegals.
I guess it depends on what perspective you look at it.
I've made the point, and it's clear. We live in two different worlds. The stuff I'm concerned with on a daily basis isn't anywhere near what you're concerned with.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
He's a good man that tells it like it is. He's voted exactly the way he said he would vote and is living up to his pledge of only seeking three, two year terms in the House. I hope he goes on to the Senate or Governor myself, a good man that is a good politician like this is hard to find.
No, I am not cool with it. To me the threat from illegal immigration, which you might consider fear mongering is far greater then the collapse of Social Security, which has been a Dem staple for years and years.
But the facts say illegal immigration is down.
The threat is far greater for me to encounter racist than illegals.
I guess it depends on what perspective you look at it.
I've made the point, and it's clear. We live in two different worlds. The stuff I'm concerned with on a daily basis isn't anywhere near what you're concerned with.
Whether or not illegal immigration is down is highly debatable. There have been reclassifications in various definitions and different administrations have used them differently. Media is inconsistent in how the numbers are applied. Here's a more thorough explanation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monk...ion-statistics/
Also interesting is that the National Border Patrol Council has endorsed Trump. Possibly because they know of issues that are too tabboo to mention in mainstream media. Read that again... the union for Border Patrol agents endorses Trump.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
He's a good man that tells it like it is. He's voted exactly the way he said he would vote and is living up to his pledge of only seeking three, two year terms in the House. I hope he goes on to the Senate or Governor myself, a good man that is a good politician like this is hard to find.
After five years in Congress, you get a hefty pension the rest of your life. My guess is, he's out like he said he would be. You did say he's a man of his word.
I'd vote for the person who's gonna make sure my job stays relevant too.
That doesn't mean they agree with trump all the way.
You said it yourself people vote for their own self interest. So I find it odd you would use that as an example, knowing that.
Or maybe you forget. Lol, it happens bro don't worry about it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'd vote for the person who's gonna make sure my job stays relevant too.
That doesn't mean they agree with trump all the way.
You said it yourself people vote for their own self interest. So I find it odd you would use that as an example, knowing that.
Or maybe you forget. Lol, it happens bro don't worry about it.
Their job is always going to be relevant, unless you are suggesting that Hillary is going to make some massive cuts in that department or something along those lines. I think they are voting the way they are because they see what is happening on a daily basis.
Remember that extremely controversial statement Trump made last year about Mexico sending drugs, rapists, etc? Well we already determined earlier in this thread that Mexican is not a race, and indeed Mexico is a racially diverse country (which includes much European ancestry).
We also know that drugs, do in fact, flow from our southern border. What about the rapist part? Strange right? Must be racism or xenophobia or bigotry or...... wait, 80% of Central American women and girls get raped on their journey to and while crossing into the United States. Well I'll be damned. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html
How many rapist and murders have come over compare to those who's only criminal activity was crossing the border?
Get you won't post those numbers though, because that's a direction counter to what you posted.
I didn't suggest anything. You said it yourself that people vote their self interest.
I'm holding you to a standard you set upon society. Am I gonna vote for somebody who keeps it the same or vote for the guy that promises pay wage and cool toys?
Self interest. Your words, not mine.
Mexico is a nationality, but in context of what race means in society today, what trump has said is absolutely racist.
That you're still defending him shows that I couldn't trust you if it came down to it. I'm serious and not grand standing. That you're defending s racist in trump is frightening bro.
I told y'all before and I'm so serious, I couldn't truly be friends with some of y'all. Especially know how y'all feel and who y'all support. I'd get back stabbed.
People talk about unity and such. But that's what causing divide. Trumps actions and the people supporting them. Hilary actions and the people supporting her.
How could I unite with somebody like you Haus? You're defending this sick bastard.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
He's a good man that tells it like it is. He's voted exactly the way he said he would vote and is living up to his pledge of only seeking three, two year terms in the House. I hope he goes on to the Senate or Governor myself, a good man that is a good politician like this is hard to find.
After five years in Congress, you get a hefty pension the rest of your life. My guess is, he's out like he said he would be. You did say he's a man of his word.
He's definitely out of the House. This coming term will be his last. He's hinted that he'll look into going back and flying for in National Guard.
How many rapist and murders have come over compare to those who's only criminal activity was crossing the border?
Get you won't post those numbers though, because that's a direction counter to what you posted.
I didn't suggest anything. You said it yourself that people vote their self interest.
I'm holding you to a standard you set upon society. Am I gonna vote for somebody who keeps it the same or vote for the guy that promises pay wage and cool toys?
Self interest. Your words, not mine.
Mexico is a nationality, but in context of what race means in society today, what trump has said is absolutely racist.
That you're still defending him shows that I couldn't trust you if it came down to it. I'm serious and not grand standing. That you're defending s racist in trump is frightening bro.
I told y'all before and I'm so serious, I couldn't truly be friends with some of y'all. Especially know how y'all feel and who y'all support. I'd get back stabbed.
People talk about unity and such. But that's what causing divide. Trumps actions and the people supporting them. Hilary actions and the people supporting her.
How could I unite with somebody like you Haus? You're defending this sick bastard.
What I don't understand is how you can be exposed to this information and not have a sort of 'aha!' moment where you realize this man is not this xenophobic monster that many people have told you he is, and that what he says is based on reality and on improving the situation for ALL Americans.
Yes I believe that people mostly vote for their own self-interest. I also believe that goes a bit further in that they will vote for what they personally believe is right.
I don't care if you don't trust me, I don't care if you don't respect me, and I don't care if you don't want to hang out with me. I have a lot of friends, and there are many more out there who I have lost contact with over the years that I'd like to catch up with before I go off and start meeting people on the internet lol. Oh and I'll add that these friends include men and women of various ethnicities and sexual preferences because the reality is that I don't care about any of that. I care about doing what is right.
Yes I am defending the man. I think he has gone overboard with some of the rhetoric (which he probably HAD to do without establishment backing vs a crowded Republican field). For example, I strongly disagree with his comment about going after terrorists' families. I believe there was some context in there about the terrorists being sheltered and some such but I still find that to be deplorable. I hold myself (and country) to a high ethical standard, even in situations where the other side doesn't.
I believe Trump is by far the more ethical of the two main candidates in this election. Maybe you disagree with that and that's fine. No skin off my back. As long as you're going to go around and loosely paraphrase some of my old posts, consider the one where I said that I would not lose respect for any person based on who they vote for, that reasonable people can have different political views based on their persona, life experiences, education, and the like.
but not being your boy, and uniting as fellow citizens is two different things. something that you seem to not be able to grasp.
like, at all. your post just proved that. glad you have friends. i'd be worried if you didn't. lol, wow.
the judge can't do his job because he's mexican and i'm building a wall.
go after families
ban all muslims
don't want blacks counting my money.
so yes, when i see you defend even half of his nonsense, then i ask you this question again:
how do i, a fellow citizen, be reasonably expected to unite with you, knowing your views?
i cant. there's no understanding, there's no unity, it's all division.
you're supporting a divisive person. yet i'm suppose to believe he's the more ethical of the two?
nah guy.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I told y'all before and I'm so serious, I couldn't truly be friends with some of y'all. Especially know how y'all feel and who y'all support. I'd get back stabbed.
I wanted to ignore this part but I just can't. Totally classless man. See the part about ethical standards-- I couldn't do that to my worst enemy (if I even had any real enemies, which I really don't)
Nah man, I kind of like you Swish. You've been testing my patience a bit lately as I'm sure I have to you, but I think you're a cool enough guy. If we met in a bar watching the Browns or whatever, we'd be cool, realize we had a lot in common, and could get past the silly political differences we had like 99% of people do in the real world.
Don't let your disdain for a political candidate cloud your judgement on people who support them. All in all I'm really not a Trump supporter anyway, but I do think he and his supporters have been treated in a heinously unfair manner, and I think Trump is by far the better of the two major candidates.
knowing your views and who you support, how am i suppose to unite with you?
on a grand scale?
it's as divisive as it can possibly get.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
but not being your boy, and uniting as fellow citizens is two different things. something that you seem to not be able to grasp.
like, at all. your post just proved that. glad you have friends. i'd be worried if you didn't. lol, wow.
the judge can't do his job because he's mexican and i'm building a wall.
go after families
ban all muslims
don't want blacks counting my money.
so yes, when i see you defend even half of his nonsense, then i ask you this question again:
how do i, a fellow citizen, be reasonably expected to unite with you, knowing your views?
i cant. there's no understanding, there's no unity, it's all division.
you're supporting a divisive person. yet i'm suppose to believe he's the more ethical of the two?
nah guy.
The judge is a La Raza member; La Raza is a group that is fiercely pro-immigration and has contributed to illegal immigration as well. La Raza president Janet Murguia once said it is un-American to protest illegal immigration. Of course that judge is going to be biased against a candidate who has made curtailing illegal immigration a key point in his campaign. Now whether or not it was a good idea to anger a judge in such a manner is another matter. I'd say probably not. I also don't think it says what you think it says.
Go after terrorists' families, I already wrote above I don't agree with that
Ban all muslims, he did not say that. He said he would suspend immigration from countries that have been (paraphrasing here) known to export terror. After the attacks in France, Germany, Belgium, US, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, etc etc etc. with no end in sight, I believe this is a good idea, UNTIL we get a handle on things and can properly vet the people who come into our country. Even Obama suspended immigration from Iraq a few years back for this very reason. It is only logical.
Counting money comment, I don't believe that is something he ever actually said.
I do believe he has been divisive at times and that is something he will have to improve on. I'm quite sure that he has not mentioned any race in negative terms this entire election season, and racism is far and away the number one complaint that people have about his divisiveness. Again though if you're talking about comments about illegal immigration and religion and such, yes has been tough on it, yes it can be divisive, no I don't think it has its roots in racism. I believe that he has the best interests of ALL American citizens at heart. For example, in his RNC speech, he spoke at length about curtailing the violence directed at the LGBTQ community and how he stood with them and concurrently received a large applause from the audience. You won't see that on mainstream media. They want to demonize the man.
He talked about the ill situations that many young Black and Latino men face in this country, you know, the EXACT things that you and others have talked about on here extensively, and he made several points about how he stood with them and would work to improve their situation and their safety. Again, not stuff that you'll see the media report. They'd rather focus on a twenty-five year old quote that he may or may not have even said. Ridiculous.
The way things look on twitter and youtube this morning is that the 'unity' of the democratic party is in complete shambles. The Bernie crowd has no intention whatsoever of voting for Hillary, period.
Just saw a clip that had 438 delegates sending an open letter to the DNC that the primary was rigged and they refuse to have their voices silenced or their platform dismissed. They will not support Hillary and the millions they represent will not either. The urge the DNC Unpledged Superdelegates (in light of the VP pick and both email scandals) to reconsider their votes and bring the party together by backing their candidate Bernie Sanders during the roll call vote today.
I'm not just seeing a few of these type posts, I'm seeing hundreds if not thousands.
Again, I don't think there is anyway that they unseat Hillary, but I don't see anyway she gets their votes. Tons are saying they will vote for Jill Stein if Bernie is not the dem candidate.
Most of them are not playing the sore loser card either, they are just not buying into politics 'as expected'. This will kill Hillary.
knowing your views and who you support, how am i suppose to unite with you?
on a grand scale?
it's as divisive as it can possibly get.
My views have been consistently anti-violence and pro-equality. By equality I mean that everybody should be judged by the same standard. I believe in free speech and that truth, not pleasantness, is the ultimate barometer by which views should be judged. I believe in hard work, intelligence, and I welcome competition. I believe in independent and outside the box thinking, which is why I will call out Republicans just as fast as I will call out Democrats. I believe in doing what is right.
Those are my overriding views that influence who I support. Maybe you can unite with that. Maybe you can't. Maybe you have a completely different viewpoint of me, but those are all things I strongly believe in, above and beyond any political candidate or ideology.
Old Cold One will read between the lines and find you are Racist!
There is nothing for you in this thread 40. No racism, no facism, no pot to stir and no nascar fans. The only other reason you could be here is to troll.
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
You can't even acknowledge the facts. Yet I'm suppose to understand what you have to say?
Nah.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Trump never said that!!! this guy is a clone by the government!!! it's a fake trump!!
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," a campaign press release said.
You can't even acknowledge the facts. Yet I'm suppose to understand what you have to say?
Nah.
Man all the writing I do and this is what you pick out? It is not that much different from what I wrote:
Quote:
Ban all muslims, he did not say that. He said he would suspend immigration from countries that have been (paraphrasing here) known to export terror. After the attacks in France, Germany, Belgium, US, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, etc etc etc. with no end in sight, I believe this is a good idea, UNTIL we get a handle on things and can properly vet the people who come into our country. Even Obama suspended immigration from Iraq a few years back for this very reason. It is only logical.
He did later back off his original view of suspending immigration of all muslims to suspending immigration from countries that are overrun by ISIS and other Islamic extremists. An important distinction.
Old Cold One will read between the lines and find you are Racist!
There is nothing for you in this thread 40. No racism, no facism, no pot to stir and no nascar fans. The only other reason you could be here is to troll.
There is nothing for me in this thread (Fascism). No Racism, after you call me racist when you read between the lines. Nascar may mean stupid people to you (elitism) but I like some Nascar and I am not stupid. Just saying these things is you being a Troll.
By the way, this thread and the DNC is a show to the whole world of exactly what the Left stands for and how they lie to your face and talk you down behind your back. They play the people like their own little puppets.
It is all in their private conversations and in their email.
What is the above list? The above list is a list of locations around the world where there has been an Islamic terrorist attack that killed at least 10 people in the month of July 2016. This ranges from 10 killed (Women and children taken out by a suicide bomber in Tel Abyad, Syria) to 308 killed (Shiites targeted in Karrada, Iraq). There are dozens more that killed less than 10 people.
Now I know that Obama and Hillary want to increase immigration from these countries despite the fact that we have no way to properly vet these people. ISIS fighters have already attacked several European cities due to this lack of intelligence.
Trump's official stance right now is that he would block immigration from certain countries (Iraq and Syria would for sure be on this list) until such a time that we could be sure that we only brought in peaceful people. He was formerly on record saying he would suspend all Muslim immigration, which is likely impractical and too far-reaching. In any case it is worthy of discussion due to the fact that there are on average more than five terrorist attacks per day in the world committed in the name of extreme Islam.
Above all, I believe there should be a frank and honest discussion about the pros and cons of our immigration policy. I believe a sensible compromise can only be achieved in the face of such a discussion. There is no level of immigration that will make everybody happy, but hostile claims of racism and bigotry will stifle even the most well-meaning and honest dialogue.
I would never call you stupid and I don't think that. But I do love to troll you because you are my nemesis.
Good catch on the spelling. Glad you could point that out.
Sorry my elitism bothers you, it's a bad habit I picked up after dealing with so many trailor park types in my life. lol, just having fun with you 40, you are so serious. I've been hitting you pretty hard for the past few weeks so I'll give it a rest for a while.
Go ahead and stir the pot, spread your propaganda and live it up in these political threads without worrying about me trolling you; I don't have a dog in this race now.
well.....I dunno if it's funny but, not only did he say it. He doubled down on it.
He only changed it recently. But clever word play doesn't change the fact that he said what he said.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
France Germany Belgium Singapore Philippines England Austria Hungary.
So basically we gotta ban me from everywhere.
Please don't cherry pick countries.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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