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I'll be shocked out of my mind if Kasich isn't reelected.

So will Bernie supporters be happy with Debbie stepping down?

What are your questions?

Are you talking about the unity part of your prior post?

First you have to ask yourself if people want to be united from the get go.

The political climate has changed. Being bipartisan isn't a platform to run on anymore.

Each party, hell, each ideology has been taken over by extremist.

The majority of the country is moderates. You either lean a bit to the left or to the right.

The issue is that those with the money, power, and influence are either far left or far right. And that's who the media is reporting on.

As far as your refugees comments. I'm paying attention as well.

Shout out to Christians in Minnesota. They welcomed those Syrian refugees with open arms. They took them in. They didn't try to convert them or anything. But they showed what real American hospitality is.

And those Muslim Syrian refugees have assimilated thanks to Americans who don't bend and break their values from fear.

Is that not the truth? Am I making it up? The info is out there. That's not an agenda, that's the truth.

We haven't had issues with Syrian refugees over here. Not anywhere CLOSE to the problems they have in Europe.

I've already admitted over and over that when talking specifically about the Syrians, the vetting process is a cause for concern.

But in general, the way Muslims are treated over here compared to Europe? It ain't even close bro. We're running 9-10 sec quarter miles while Europe is running 13's.

As far as the killings go, the reason I bring it up is because the handful of Muslims that have caused problems in this country were American born.

But what percentage of those handful of Muslims that caused problems is that of the entire Muslim population in this country?

Because the per capita rate of violent crime for whites, blacks, Latinos shows us who we should be more "scared" of.

Our own people is what I'm concerned about. The reality is that I'm more likely to get shot by the "big three" races here in America before I even begin to think about terrorism from Muslims.

In Europe? That's different. Be we aren't talking about Europe. We're talking about THIS country. And in this country, the Muslims are less violent than the so called Christians, agnostic, atheist, or normal demographics in this country.

Hell, we have more drunk white, black, and Latino women fighting each other in clubs than we do Muslim violence. It ain't close. At all.

So yea, I'm not gonna sit there in buy into the fear tactics, when the stats and history shows I should be more scared of YOU than I should any foreigner coming into this country.

That's not an agenda bro. That's the truth, backed up with facts, stats, and overall feel of the country.

I'm not saying you should think like me. I'm saying why I feel this way.

I'm just not worried about refugees man. There's a laundry list of things I'm more concerned about in this country, as far as my daily life and safety is concerned before I even begin to think about them.

And so far, with the ones that have came over here, I have no reason to change my thought process.

Kasich has no re-election possibilities, because in Ohio, the Governor is limited to 2 consecutive terms. Kasich began his 2nd term on January 10,2015, and will leave office on January 10, 2019.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/polit...-newstopstories

Jeez trump. Cruz must have hit you where it hurts.

And then this nonsense about you getting together with Pacs to attack Cruz and kasich?

I thought the primaries were over with?

I can't speak for the whole state bro. I can tell you in my area (covering four counties) Kasich is not liked by most folks who know about his past.

Without fracking the states finances will take a large hit, and if Hillary wins and the fracking stops and prices go up, IMO that will cement Hillary being known as the biggest female dog in the united states for the remainder of her natural born days.

I can't speak for people I can only speak for myself .. I would love to unite .. Just don't know how u compromise or unite on these issues ..

- no wall, open borders ..

I want illegal immagration stopped .. I want a country .. I don't want people or DRUGS coming into our country at will ..

My solution ... SIMPLY TO ENFORCE OUR CURRENT LAWS ....

- a wall (it's funded and authorized) .. Survaliance and technology used to monitor ..
- e-verify (again a law ,, not sure if it's funded) .. Hold employers accountable to OBEY OUR LAWS ...
- sanctuary cities .. That concept is incredible to me .. Mind boggling .. BYE BYE ..

Please tell me what your stance is, your solution and how we compromise ..

After we finish this discussion .. We can move on ...

people don't want a wall because the money it will cost won't justify the end result.

Especially when looking at the a FACTS, which says that immigration is down, deportation are up since Obama took office, etc.

That's not an agenda, those are facts.

First trump said the wall will be what? Single digit billions? Then it went to 10 billion, then higher, and higher.

Basically, the cost of the wall is ridiculous. How many people could we send to college for the price of that wall?

You'll find VERY FEW people who want open, unchecked borders. Sorry but you're taking words from a very few amount of people, and then thinking that somehow represents the majority.

Not even close. That's the fear mongering people talk about all the time. Less facts, more fear in order to make a point.

Most people want illegal immigration stopped too.

On the flip side, most people also don't want a head of lettuce to cost 8 dollars.

The drug comment is.... I'm sorry bro but stopping illegal immigration isnt gonna do much with drugs.

To think that, you're admitting that you aren't very educated on the topic.

Opiates come from everywhere, but s large portion comes from the the Middle East.

Prescription drugs, which is currently destroying our communities, is made right here in the USA.

Weed is becoming legal, with grow houses here in the US.

So drugs come from all over the world p, as well as right here in the states. Yes, central/South America with their drug cartels are a massive problem.

But remember, they can't sell their drugs if their is no demand here in the states.

To sell something, there has to be a buyer.

That being said, what would I do?

Add more border patrol agents, that way the number of people being turned around at the boarder increases.

Upgrade the boarder for sure, but not some ridiculously expensive wall that won't work, but yes, drones and such I'm down with for patrolling.

Amnesty to illegals like Ronald Reagan did. The last time.

Require those in the states to learn English in 9-12 months. Fluent by year two. Those who can't, deported.

Any violent criminal record, deported.

I would incentivize joining the military. So any men ages 17-24 who speak English, can join the military and gain citizenship that way.

This will make it easier and LEGAL for them to start the immigration process if they have families in Mexico or wherever.

I would penalize/charge any businesses that hire illegals. Why? Because illegals can't take any jobs unless somebody is giving it to them.

The reality is that I would absolutely jump the border with my family for a better chance at life knowing that I can work in the fields for money.

If there are no jobs, than there's very little point to cross. That's not the ENTIRE reasoning behind crossing the border, but what I'm saying is that it is part of the issue.

We have to understand why they come over in the first place. A lot of it is life or death.

That being said, I'd focus less on the Middle East and devote military recourses to stopping cartels at the source. Increase presence in countries like Columbia p, Honduras, Mexico and Ecuador. If we want to be serious about illegal immigration, than maybe we should actually DO something that makes those countries safer so people won't HAVE to leave.

We do it in the Middle East, so why can't we do it for our neighbors down the street?

There's other things I would do, but that's a start.

People do want it...as for cost, much is funded, then you make the Mexicans pay. They send $millions a week back to family in Mexico and Central America via Wetern Union,etc. Make them pay 20cents on the dollar in tax.

Dems should love that. They love to raise taxes.

Good luck making Mexico pay for that.

That koolaid you're drinking. Cherry or trap flavor?

Swish we'll take it a chunk at a time ...



Facts huh ... Not sure where u get your facts from .. But I'll go RIGHT TO THE BORDER PATROL ..

Immagration may be down but ILLEGAL IMMAGRATION IS AT ALL TIME HIGHS ...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/22/illegal-immigrant-families-set-record-pace-2016/



There crossing at a RECORD PACE ... And even though the numbers are down the NEW RECORD PACE beats the old record pace al the way back in 2014 ... That certainly doesn't JIVE WITH YOUR FACTS ...

And even more ALARMING .. The LAST LINE about Mr. Tough deported relaxing the deportation laws .. That's not good .. Me thinks u need to be educated about how it currently works in this country ...

It says we caught 32k .. In 4 months .. Thats 100k caught a year ... But what happens to them once we catch them .. AND HOW MANY DID WE NOT CATCH? ..

Our enforcement of immigration laws is like a sport fisherman ..... catch and release ..... catch and release ...... catch and release ......

Interesting.

So there's an uptick in families coming over, even though the overall illegal immigrant issue is down.

That's from your own article, btw.

So you're saying there's an uptick when breaking down demographics inside illegals, but the overal illegal immigration problem is down?

So what are you arguing about, again?

Point #2 ... DEPORTATIONS ARE UP ...

Hmmmm

U may find this interesting in many ways ..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/4/obama-reinstates-catch-and-release-policy-illegals/



THE KING OF DEPORTATION ... HMMM .. This suggests different .. Way different ... How can he be the king when he's IGNORING OUR LAWS AND DEPORTING NO ONE? ...

Want me to address the money part now or wait for u to answer these two phases? .. Let me know ..

PS. Cali alone spends over 25 billion alone on illegals .. Ummm .. So 1/2 a year of that would pay for the wall .. When that part comes up I will supply the link ..

No matter how hard they try to throw you off the path, you are crushing them DiamDawg!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...e-were-way-off/

Complete with charts and stuff. I have a feeling you won't read it. Too many facts in there.

Don't let 40 gas your head up. You aren't crushing anything. Getting crushed, sure.

Where does it say the overall illegal immigrant issue is down? .. I SEE THAT NO WHERE ... Please quote it to me .. NOTHNG EVEN CLOSE TO IT ...

UNLESS YOUR REFFERING TO ... Oops caps .. Sorry .. Unless your REFFERING to the down tick IN BETWEEN RECORD NUMBERS COMING ACROSS ..

Can't wait to see this one ..

Nice try though .. Me see's DESPERATION as the FACTS as u see them are NOT TRUE!!!

I posted the link.

When you're done crying, we can continue.

You keep posting feelings. I'll post the hard numbers.

hell, obama has been deporting so many people that other democrats were starting to cry about it.

Link don't work for me bro ... I don't belong to that BIASED RAG .. Please post the entire article or find a different link ..

Swish .. The truth and FACTS are on my side .. What 40 thinks or says does no change that ..

40 is all about Facts and TRUTH.
That is why he reads and likes your posts.
Others only want to twist your words and feed them back to you.
You have your hands full with this bunch.

Link don't work for me ..

I notice your RUNNING FROM MY QUESTIONS .. Once again answering them with more questions ..

BTW .. Where did that article u said came from me say THE NUMBERS WERE DOWN OVERALL ..

If u don't answer .. I will call it what it is ..

how is the link not working?

you know what? i think you're trying to dodge the points

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...e-were-way-off/



During the fifth* Republican presidential debate on Tuesday night, Ted Cruz argued that he didn't support the legalization of people who immigrated to the United States illegally and that securing the border would help curtail the problem. He added some bits of data for emphasis.

"What you do is you enforce the law," he said. "That means you stop the Obama administration's policy of releasing criminal illegal aliens. Do you know how many aliens Bill Clinton deported? 12 million. Do you know how many illegal aliens George W. Bush deported? 10 million."

Those figures aren't accurate. And by the government's numbers, both Clinton and Bush have deported fewer people than President Obama.

Every year, the Department of Homeland Security releases figures on the number of enforcement actions it has taken. There are a number of categories of actions and a number of ways in which the data is broken down. But for our purposes, we'll focus on two of the categories: Removals and returns.

"Returns" is a term the agency uses to describe, in its wording, "the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal." In other words, people who could have been deported but who left of their own volition. "Removals," on the other hand, is the "compulsory and confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States based on an order of removal." In other words, it's when the government kicks someone out of the country. It's a deportation.

Historically, the number of returns has been larger than the number of removals, though that's changed over the last few years. In 2014, DHS made 414,481 removals and tracked 162,814 returns. The annual data for each shows the number of returns tapering off as the number of deportations has increased.



What Cruz did, it seems, is use the number of returns for Bill Clinton and George W. Bush instead of the number of removals. Under Clinton, there were only about 870,000 removals/deportations, but 11.4 million returns. Under Bush, the numbers were about 2 million deportations and 8.3 million returns.


Under Obama, the number of deportations through 2014 hit a new high -- while the number of returns is lower than at any point since the Ford administration.



As we noted last month, net migration from Mexico has dropped into the negatives since the second term of the George W. Bush administration. More Mexicans have migrated out of the United States than into it, at a pace that accelerated after the recession. At the same time, cracking down on people who are here illegally has continued to be a central part of American politics. That helps explain the disparity under Obama.

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Under the Obama administration, some actions are included as removals/deportations that once would not have been. In the past, people caught trying to cross the southern border with Mexico were sent back into that country but not counted as removals. Under Obama, they have been, spurring a significantly higher count of deportations.

To Cruz's broader point, the percentage of deportations of those with criminal convictions has also increased under Obama.


There's a level of complexity here that's unavoidable, of course, though the release of annual statistics makes it easier to compare numbers than is often the case with government data. Cruz's implied point, though -- that Obama had been lax in contrast to his predecessors -- is fairly easy to refute


and another:

http://fusion.net/story/252637/obama-has...g-up-the-score/

and another:

According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.

If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.

We wondered whether there might have been a surge of undocumented immigrants that explained the increase, but there wasn’t. During the first two years of Obama’s tenure, the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the illegal immigrant population nationwide at 11.2 million, compared to an average during Bush’s eight-year tenure of 10.6 million. And illegal immigration actually peaked late in Bush’s second term, at which point the recession hit and the numbers declined under Obama. Such patterns do not explain the 57 percent bump in monthly deportations that we found under Obama.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...e-any-other-pr/

Sorry for posting facts.

continue on about whatever is you're saying, though. I'mma go eat some ice cream.

40 - I do have my hands full ... But only cause it matters that much and if I'm going to lose it won't be to LIES ... Not gonna happen .. I made a post earlier in another thread that I must have deleted somehow .. In it I said the following ..

I called into a local radio talk show this morning ... Long story short .. on NATO I said the following .

"There's plenty of things to bash trump on but this is not one of them .. Unless we entered into a unilateral contract where it was binding to us but the others weren't then I'm pretty sure ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS have broken the contract ...

WERE BROKE .. We can't afford it anymore and they need to LIVE UP TO THERE END OF THE CONTRACT ...

And what Trump is saying will get them to ante up .. It's called NEGOTIATIONS ...

And right now we have no NATO cause there not living up to there end of the deal .. "

Trump has holes .. Plenty of them .. But this is not one of them .. HED BE AN IDIOT NOT TO ..

I'm sure Swish and Optomist and the rest of the socialists would gladly have no problem if there bosses came to them and said .. Listen .. Were struggling a little .. For the next month we want u to work your normal schedule and do the same amount of work as usual .. But we're only going to pay U 50% of what we are now .. I'm sure they'd be fine with that .. *LOL* ..

Our country on the other hand .. We can continue to honor treaties or whatever the hell they are even if the other side is not living up to there FINANCIAL REPSONSIBILITIES ..

you called in to a radio show?

well, hell, i guess your credentials are just too good for me to compete with!!!

lmfao, the hell out of here.

So, much like they do with welfare, public assistance, and those types of stats, Obama changed the way the numbers are calculated to make his look more impressive?

Dodging .. *L* ... That's not me .. That's what u do .. U also try and be funny with insults .. Your not .. When I stoop to your level .. You'll see funny ..

It didn't work because when I clicked on it .. The article came up .. Then I tried to scroll down and it disappeared and a box came up asking me to join ..

UNDERSTAND NOW ..

I am going to play ball with and hen watch my nephews game today .. Will respond to you when I get back .. NOT DODGING ... Trust me .. When I leave this discussion .. I'LL LET U KNOW ..

I really hope you answered my questions .. Me thinks u didn't ..

Cause your not the Man U think u are or pretend to be ..

Hopefully I'm surprised when I get back ..

even with the word play, he's still in the lead.

that's apparent. like...in every chart, data, stat, whatever word play and category you want to use.

when the dems started whining about his deportations, thats when i knew the numbers were legit.

i forgot dudes name, i think the latino congressmen, male. dude threw a hissy fit. it was glorious.

You are wise Dawg.

the man i pretend to be?

lol yo what are you talking about?

glad your spending time with your family. make sure you don't try to use word play on what a fastball is.

you're not good at word play.

Obama took over when this Country was a glass half empty and will leave this Country as a glass half full.

Only he had to borrow $10 Trillion dollars to look so smart.

That's pretty accurate. It's unlikely any of us are going to change the minds of people we are debating with. However, I do think that those who read/lurk and who aren't decided on an issue can legitimately be persuaded by a good argument.

Ya .. The man you pretend to be .. U stil didn't answer my question ... WHY? ..

Your not a man of your word .. U LIED .. I asked about it .. U IGNORE ...

And being stoned is no excuse .

One last time .. GO SHOW ME WHERE THE ARTICLE I POSTED STATED THE DEPORTATION NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN? ..

Until then .. I'll be U and just post BS and ignore it when u call me on it ..

THE TRUTH DOES NOT REQUIRE WORD PLAY ..

I provided multiple links showing its going down.

Your own article stated the numbers were going down in 2014 and early 2015. Your article reads like a typical hit piece, btw.

And now it's because I'm stoned?

I hope you don't talk to people out in public like that.

BS article 1 ... COPIED AND PASTED RIGHT OUT OF YOUR ARTICLE ... Blows your stats all to hell .. See .. I DON'T HAVE TO make stuff up TO REBUKE YOUR BS ...

THIS PARAGRAPH pretty much makes all the STATS IRRELIVENT as the words deported and returned meant two different things ... Hard to make an accurate determination from stats that don't have the same meaning .. AND THATS JUST THE START ...

"Under the Obama administration, some actions are included as removals/deportations that once would not have been. In the past, people caught trying to cross the southern border with Mexico were sent back into that country but not counted as removals. Under Obama, they have been, spurring a significantly higher count of deportations." ..

And then there;s this LITTLE GEM ..

How many illegals were in the country when Clinton entered office? .. How many illegals were trying to cross the border when Clinton was in office ..

Ask the same questions about Bush and then oBUMa ..

Now if your 1/2 as intelligent as u think u are .. Then u know enough about stats to know there's no way U can draw any valid conclusions from a sample size that we have differing starting points for each that we do not know ..

It would be like .. Comparing Johnny U's yearly passing stats to Payton's .. U can't draw any conclusions based on those stats .. The rules changes and did the # of games played ..

Thought maybe that'd help in case your all gonged out ..

Now on to article #2 ..

The numbers and charts showed it.

It's not my fault you're using crap technology that you can't read my article for some reason.

I'm bout to hit the bong, just for your pleasure. White widow. Good stuff.

Look above .. BS article #1 trashed .. ..

It did not say that .. LIAR ... It said ... Hold on ... I'l go COPY AND PASTE .. U know like I did to YOUR BS ARTICLE ...

Oh and I tend to talk to people the way they talk to me .. I won't go there with u cause like Haus said .. Thre'sthere's other that need to KNOW THE TRUTH ... U aren't willing to listen .. U want to post and scold ..

If u don't get stoned I will not say it again ... Tell me you don't get stoned .. Even though you've al ready proven you'll lie I'll believe u ..

Ahh crap .. I can't get to it ..

Guess that'll be next .. Cause I knew where u we're going and even STATED IN MY INITIAL POST not to post that line out of context .. Now let me go get the FULL PARAGRAPH and we'll just leave it up to the judges to sort out ..

i copied and paste like you ask.

except it didn't post all the charts and graphs on there. i don't think i can be any more clear.

and when then i lie? are you sitting there lying by trying to claim that i'm lying?

did they teach you that in CIA school?

i get stoned all the time. it's not exactly a secret around here. I'm not sure where you're getting at but ok.

U were a military child ... Your dad must be so proud of u .. Bet he takes u to al the big balls and events to show u off to all his friends .. He must so proud ..

Has nothing to do with my technology .. PAY ATTENTION .. It asks me to join ... That's not a technology problem ...

Go take another hit there Menza ....