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Gordon is a liar....most human beings are....addiction to pills, chocolate, food, weed, porn, alcohol make us liars to ourselves, others, workers, employers...list goes on and on- hope Gordon stays in good place...it is hard to do....Go Browns!!!!

I personally have been down this road. Sure Gordon has failed a few times, but that does not mean he will this time. It took me three tries, and I have made my life a lot better since. Assuming that he can't change is just that assuming. Ricky Williams is a guy to look at. He gave up football for weed. it cost him a couple years, but he came back and played well. I think Gordon can do it too. Will he? That's up to him.

I hope he proves everybody wrong who hates him. The players who know him love him, and even the coaches seem to really like the kid personally. I wish him luck.

Addiction can not be beat until the addict hits that point in their lives when "want to" becomes the driving force.

Is it a guarantee you will kick the habit because you have the want to? No.
But it is guarantee you won't kick it without it

You can't just put a player on the practice squad. You have to cut him, he has to clear waivers, and then he has to want to re-sign with you. Then he can go on the practice squad.

Also, my bet is that Payton is the guy that shows up on special teams.

Good article. Eugene Monroe shared his stories about pain killers here: http://www.theplayerstribune.com/2016-5-23-eugene-monroe-ravens-marijuana-opioids-toradol-nfl/

Like the JM piece it's pretty eye opening.

I know about the PS. It was an insinuation that Payton would have a better chance to clear waivers ... along with Louis (which I mentioned in an aforementioned response)

And YOU tell me I have a comprehension problem

Where did you see me say or even indicate that I believed him? I asked if this was ODD or NORMAL that a guy doesn't know why he's suspended..

This was very sad to read. It's a real issue. It's far more devastating than pot, yet pot seems to be what law enforcement and etc focus on. Also, factoring how easy it is to go into a dr. and come out with a prescription, it definitely is an issue.

The best thing about what you said ddubia, is when you said "used to". I hope your daughter has put that completely behind her. I couldn't imagine witnessing someone live like that. Very, very sad it is to me to even put myself in your shoes during that time.

I drool when I think of gordon, corey, pryor, hawkins, and barnidge spreading out a defense. I mean that could be something especially awesome and is worth the risk gordon presents to put that on the field. they trying to cover that like crazy and there goes RG3 like a bat out of hell. This could end up being one sick offense =)

I agree in theory, given that:

1. RG3 proves to be an NFL caliber QB
2. Gordon proves to be reliable and still elite
3. Coleman proves to be a viable NFL route runner and catcher
4. Pryor proves to be an improved, viable NFL receiver
5. Barnidge proves last year wasn't a fluke

Oddly, that's how you always respond when someone asks you a question.

+1....Exactly, we have no weapons....give me a break- you didn't mention Johnson....with Hue calling plays....WOW...can't wait....GO Browns!!!

Oddly?

You said this:



Do you believe that he doesn't know why or do you think he telling yet another lie?

Kinda eliminates the ODD part.

No, it doesn't. I wanna know if its odd that they don't tell someone. Sounds to me like you think it would be odd. So you are calling him a liar.

But again, you aren't quoting the original statement I made, just my follow up to you. And that makes it out of context.

Learn to read already will ya.

LOL...........I am calling him a liar. He knows damn well what he did wrong. The NFL is not to blame.

Who said it was? I didn't. And you have the nerve to say I have a reading comprehension issue.

Couldn't cannabis oil give the same treatment that people are looking for from smoking cannabis? Would that then be considered legal by the leagues standards?

They test for THC.

I see, but isn't it fair to assume that the ban on marijuanna is more due to the stigma than it's 'adverse' effects?

So wouldn't it be fair to allow a player to receive the benefits that cannabis provides for their brains then?

When has the NFL ever been fair when it comes to these type of matters?

People can whine and cry all day about how unfair the rules are, but if it was me and I'm making huge money for playing a game and they tell me not to take something..........I don't take it. Pretty freaking simple.

And if you can't stop yourself from taking something that your body doesn't actually need, it tells me that you might have a problem. They aren't asking you to stop drinking water or eating fruit and veggies.

I think MrTed is suggesting that the marijuana could have a healing effect and the league doesn't like it because of the stigma attached to the smoking.

Yep!

It absolutely can have a healing effect and is a hell of a lot better for you than taking opioids. However, Verse is correct, it is at the present time against the rules so you either obey the rules or you do what meathead has done many many times in the past.... give up a job that pays millions so you can toke up.

I absolutely think the PA was stupid as HELL not doing a bargain with the league where they allowed HGH testing in exchange for eliminating testing for grass. Unfortunately, they didn't make that deal and allowed the league to keep testing for weed, so it is what it is. Either continue to be the dumbest man in the league and continue toking, or stop and earn millions and once you're retired toke up all you want.... So far meathead has decided he wants to party now and to hell with playing football, to hell with his teammates, and to hell with the Cleveland Browns. So far the Browns have shown he can get suspended over and over and over and over again and they won't EVER call him on it and cut him. Not hard to see where this is likely headed. Another suspension and another year gone, with the fans hoping NEXT time he will be this Stud WR they believe him to be and the Browns waiting around on this idiot.

Lets say he does keep his nose clean and for the next two season has really good productive years..... how many of you would then give him a huge contract, say top ten WR deal with a bunch of guaranteed cash? How many of you would franchise him for whatever outrageous sum the top WR's are getting now? Throwing money at meathead is like throwing gasoline on a fire..... But if you don't, he walks in FA..... Meathead is a trainwreck waiting to happen. You watch, the Browns will give him a big contract and to celebrate all that guaranteed cash meathead will do what comes natural..... screw up.

It's against the rules, but some people get tested many times a year and others just twice. If they enforced the rules across the board instead of treating certain individuals differently, it wouldn't seem quite so hypocritical. The league knows that players are smoking pot, but for the most part is fine looking the other way. However, they also want to look good in the media on "moral"/societal issues. It's like politics, the league wanted a big story to distract from other issues and Gordon was the sacrificial lamb. I'd be willing to bet that Gordon has smoked with other NFL players, like he was on a plane to Vegas with a coach and other players when he got busted for drinking. His one suspension wasn't even for pot. Goodell probably had some scotch on his desk as he passed down the punishment. It's not like the rest of the league is a bunch of choir boys, but Gordon was held to a higher standard since he entered the league. It frustrates me.

How do you know that Gordon was held to a higher standard. And if you don't smoke, you don't have to worry.

These stupid whiny excuses are lame.

Because he was put in the substance abuse program before he'd had any issues at the NFL level. In the program you are tested more often than the average player; thus, he was held to a higher standard.

I'm just saying if they are going to test for pot with certain players all the time, why not do it for all players all the time? Oh, it's probably because they really don't care because it has no effect on games and also no effect off the field on anyone other than the player involved.

The public flagellation, holier than thou garbage is lame.

He was kicked out of two colleges for drugs. He lied about the second one. Other players who were busted for drugs in college faced the same situation as Gordon did when they entered the NFL.

Besides, it's fairly well known that you have to be a complete moron to get caught in the NFL. The NFL is not out to get the players. LOL

The ones that weren't kept in house and swept under the rug.



But Gordon wasn't in the NFL's standard, easy to avoid program. I'm sure a lot of other players would fail if they were in Gordon's program. For the most part, brain surgeons NFL players are not.

If the goal of the program for the most part isn't to catch players smoking pot, why test for it at all?

If he plays well over the next two seasons (big if), then he should be signed to an extension where we can recoup the money if he is suspended. This is not that hard.

The fact (which I disagree with BTW) is that the THC is a schedule 1 drug on the federal level. The NFL covers many states and locations. If the NFL allowed the use of weed, THC or cannabis oils, it would be promoting that their players break federal law in many of the states that teams reside in. I don't see that as an option for the league.

Josh had multiple infractions at more than one college before entering the NFL. He earned his status in the substance abuse program entering the league. He was not treated unfairly or held to any higher standard than any other player in that same position.

Now you may disagree and believe weed should be legal. I do and I don't even smoke it anymore. You may believe that the NFL shouldn't test for it. Some people may believe the NFL should allow cannabis oils to be used rather than prescription drugs, which makes perfect sense to me as well.

But as long as the federal government has weed listed as a schedule one drug, this won't happen. It's not the fault of the NFL. Claiming Josh was held to some higher standard is silly at best. According the NFL rules, he earned that status. So have others. You reap what you sow and that's nobodies fault but Josh Gordon's.

+1, seems Gordon has owned up finally. I would be reluctant to sign him to long extension WITHOUT specific language enabling team to recover monies due to drug relapse....he accepts that language and he produces....why not....GO Browns!!!!

Is this based on him "saying the right things?" Cause we been down that road before. He is good at saying the right things, or repeating the right things others tell him to say. All we get from him so far is words.

If he ever feels that a multi-million dollar career is more important than puffy-puffy, *then* we might see him own up.

I'll give him credit on one thing for sure.... he's walked the walk enough to get Goodell to announce early that he's reinstated - without even waiting for the Aug 1 date when he told Gordon he could re-apply.

Granted, that probably speaks more to skids being greased behind the scenes than anything, but it still says something that Goodell was comfortable going on that limb and not even waiting the 2 weeks or whatever to give the appearance of waiting for Gordon to re-apply.

So - I think we all have to think that there is at least a little something different this time.