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I've just accepted he's part of the team and the staff is already fully prepared and committed to having him. Whether I, or maybe anyone else, likes it of not - that's the way the cookie appears to be crumbling.

https://twitter.com/ESPNCleveland/status/758698819785723905

I'm pretty sure that someone said the "conditional basis" part of him returning to the team is unprecedented and not outlined in the CBA. It sounds like Goodell just made that crap up. I could be wrong though.

just the way it goes

these things usually get decided by drops and or injury. It is never a tough decision unless a lot of folks are playing like crap.

I would expect any of the young drafted kids that show promise, but might not be quite there to earn a spot, to have sudden, freak "injuries" that allow us to place them on IR so as to not have to expose them to waivers while trying to move them to the practice squad.

Didn't Josh test with a diluted sample a couple of mo's ago?

Also my thinking is that the NFL is testing this conditional reinstatement thingy to see how suspended players respond to being in a structured atmosphere while suspended.

I simply don't see Moore making the team. he is an older WR, who is almost exclusively a special teams player. We will have a ton of young players on this team who can fill out the special teams, so I just don't see a spot for him.

I don't see both Hawkins and Gabriel making the team. I think that's an either/or proposition.

I really don't see anything special in Jennings. he is really just a guy. He's not really veteran enough to be a leader, and he's not special enough to be an impact player.

I think that the 4 rookies make the team. I think that Hawkins is the veteran, and Pryor also makes the team. I believe that Higgins and Payton will be able to contribute almost immediately. They are experienced route runners, and have skills that should immediately translate to the NFL. They may never be All Pro types, but I think that they will be valuable NFL starters/key reserve types.

So, I think that we'll see a WR lineup of:

Hawkins
Coleman
Higgins
Payton
Louis
Pryor
(and maybe either Gabriel or Jennings, until Gordon is reinstated from suspension)

It's a very young group, but it is a group with some talent. I also think that having Al Saunders. Bob Saunders, and also Chad Johnson, (helping at least through camp) all working with these young players, they have a chance to make solid progress.

I thought the positive test was already part of his suspension. I dont even know anymore

I keep thinking this each year too haha

Maybe the influx of WRs this year makes it different

I think your wrong. What the hell has he accomplished? You have no clue what he has or has not accomplished, so why act like you do?



Once again Miss Cleo guess



We can agree 100 percent on that part



How many months does Jim spend in Cleveland/Berea? How many weeks? How many days? How many hours? Once again you have no freaking clue, yet you spout off like you know it all Not cool bro.

You pretty much sum up my own views about what role Jim Brown might have played and is playing in the Gordon saga. The work that I do everyday in social services informs me that sometimes gentle steering, prodding, consistent emotional support can lead to personal change and growth for those needing to make changes in their lives. Rarely does it happens quickly, if it takes place at all. Actually, if it does happen rapidly you find yourself questioning if it's permanent. I say this to say that real personal growth and change is a process with no timetable. I think the listening that Jim Brown offered Gordon can't be assigned a quantitative value. The trust that Gordon likely developed with Brown is cheapened by trying to assign it a quantifiable value. This is human relations. By definition it is messy and uncertain. That does not make it unimportant. being dismissive of that role is foolish, IMO.

It could still unravel. Or, it might provide the bedrock for Gordon to stabilize his life and his career.

I saw that the person who was famous as Miss Cleo, with the hotline in the 90's died this week, or last week. R.I.P.

I've been wanting them to cut Gabriel for 3 years. I wanted them to keep Jordan Norwood over Gabriel. I've been sour since it seems the games where Gabriel ends up having big plays, 2 things occur,
The Browns don't get a TD on those drives
and
The Browns lose the game.

But considering, I don't put too much stock into any of the wideouts they drafted after Coleman, and that with Benjamin gone, and Hartline gone, that experienced Browns receivers are scarce,

Maybe after 3 years, Taylor Gabriel?
Ehh! He's kind of grown on me.

who caught the ball against the Saints 2 years ago to set up the game winning FG? Gabriel or Hawkins. Can't remember.

Josh Gordon: 'In the past, I've been a selfish player'

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-selfish-player

By Tyler Dragon NFL.com
Published: July 28, 2016 at 07:11 p.m. Updated: July 28, 2016 at 07:57 p.m.

Cleveland Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon expressed a level of growth and maturity when he met with reporters on Thursday as veterans reported to training camp. Gordon proclaimed that everyone will soon realize that he's a changed man.

"I definitely think I'm a different person. If you haven't changed over a period of time than it's definitely a bad thing. I think me standing here is a testament to that," Gordon said. "Most people might not see it that way. That just comes with the territory with me being who I am, considering my past. But I'm only looking towards the future. And hopefully people can see that."

Gordon was reinstated by the NFL on a conditional basis on July 25. He will serve a four-game suspension before suiting up in Week 5 for the first time since December of 2014, but is allowed to participate in training camp.

The wideout was genuine and contrite about his past drug problems that induced a year-long ban.

"In the past I've been a selfish player. I'll definitely admit that. I wanted to do things my way," Gordon reminisced. "But things turn around. People change. It's possible to change. It takes some learning, but you eventually get to that point and I think I have."

The oft-banned receiver appears ready to approach things in his life with a level of maturity that we have not seen from him before. Gordon, 25, voiced that his maturation as a person is bigger than football.

"You definitely get that sense of need to do something important with your life and with my career. Considering my age, how much time I've been out and how much time I got left nobody knows," Gordon said. "I'm starting to capitalize on that. Not only for myself but for the well being of my family and be there for this team that held me together and allowed me to comeback."

Gordon is saying all the right things. Yet the old saying goes: actions speak louder than words. For Gordon's sake, he understands that.

"There's not too much I can tell people," Gordon admitted. "To my fans I just want to show them."

Gordon's ability to stay clean is the only thing that separates him from regaining his status as one of the premier wide receivers in the league. Hopefully, Gordon now knows after sitting out more than a year that marijuana isn't worth his livelihood as an NFL player. Maybe he can put that all in the past, regain his credibility as a football player and serve as a positive influence to others.

he also seems to allude to a lack of leadership/support from previous regimes

A two year old catch....who cares, all videos, player, and front office guys are positive, all praising new capabilities off field and in organizational buildings...J Gordon lucky to have everyone pulling for him...now if he can STAY AWAY from J Football, maybe he has a chance to finally be the football player he could be.....GO Browns!!!!

Fair response. After re-reading my post, it came across as if I'm in Berea. I'm not. I started my post saying "I think" and didn't include similar language in the other paragraphs.

Regardless, I'm not buying what you're selling. So, to amend:

I think Brown's influence is overrated.
I think he has accomplished nothing in his 'role' for the Browns.
I think Brown is nothing more than a figure head (I find it hard for anyone to argue this, but whatever)

Since Brown was re-hired in 2013 by Haslem, his role in 'player engagement' and his involvement in the community is laughable. Players repeatedly getting in trouble, his next to non-existent presence in town (which is fine, he's 80) is reason to say his role and impact is overblown. Haslem has him here for PR. Ha, there was even a recent article talking about Brown's increased role w/ the Browns that now included working with the players.


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

This is from 6/2016, but wait, wasn't that the main reason he was 'hired' back in 2013???

Wait...let me go check.....


https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/339757395452518400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Here is a line from the same article about his 'expanded' role:

Yeah, this tone comes across as a guy who's been making a substantive impact over the past three years as a 'special advisor'. Great, now he feels "like a part of it."

We've heard the same quotes from Brown about him truly wanting to help (this time around) and work with players for years and the perceived expertise he has in that department. I think its hogwash and I'll stick to my stance on the matter.

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I think your wrong. Jim is still respected and looked up to by the players. You think he has accomplished nothing because you don't see him influencing the players off the field in their personal life. Your saying that he has accomplished "Nothing" reminds me of people who said Aaron who? When I threw a fit about the Browns firing Aaron Shea. They had no clue what he even did with the Browns but when he was the Browns Director of player engagement the only players suspended during his time with the Browns were Scott Fujita (for conduct when he was with the Saints) and Josh Gordon for 2 games.



You can think it's hogwash and stick to your stance all day long buddy I'm just telling you that your wrong.

I'm glad Jim Brown finally feels like he is part of it all now. Maybe he'll actually earn that paycheck!

and share it with us

Fo sho!

Commie.

I'm shocked she didn't see that coming!

Is this odd that he doesn't know? I mean, is that normal that a player gets suspended for 4 games but hasn't had it explained to him?

Maybe they said, "you are being suspended for 4 games, don't ask any questions and don't make any waves"

It's odd. I'd venture to say there was probably another mishap that is being kept under the blankets. How can you get suspended, yet not know the reasoning? Yeah, the math doesn't add up.

Meanwhile, Dion Jordan was reinstated today, also on a conditional basis. However, he can start Wk. 1 if nothing bad happens before now and then.

At least, that's how I understood the story about it.

So meathead is already hurt.... I suspect that will happen often as he hasn't played in a very long time and working out is quite different than playing football. Unfortunately he is the player that needs the most practice. Even the rookies are in better football shape than meat. They played last year. He didn't play last year or much the year before....

Meat says he's a changed man and no longer a problem but it was only a couple months ago he was partying it up with Johnny asshat and had THC in his diluted sample..... this miracle change has happened awfully fast.....

I will believe meathead is a changed man once his career is over and he's stayed out of trouble for the next ten seasons. Yes, he will continue to be meathead until he shows me he grew a brain. That could take quite a while

I still don't see how in the world the Browns can trust him enough to resign him. He's a two year Brown and will be off to another team once he hits FA unless we foolishly sign him to a high dollar deal.

Therefore, IMO we cut any veteran WR's we must to keep ALL of the rookies we drafted. Coach them up the next two years to prepare for when meathead leaves in FA.

It's highly likely it's due to the diluted sample a couple months back. He was already on suspension so the diluted sample got him an extra 4 games. Lucky they didn't just tell him better luck next year..... meathead sure does like playing chicken with the commish. Like when he got a DUI while awaiting his appeal hearing for his first year long suspension....

https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/759109577929592836

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Why would you believe Gordon's version of this? The guy is a known liar.

j/c

Saw this story on PFT, and had to shake my head. People are worried about smoking some weed while Brett Favre is talking about popping 15 Vicodin at a time.

Brett Favre describes his battle with painkiller addiction-LINK



...and that guy's a Hall of Famer. It's things like that that make me not so quick to want to get rid of/give up on Gordon.

jesus .. 15!?

My daughter used to chew 10 Vicodin. An hour later take 10 Perocet. A couple hours later put on a Morphine patch.

Addiction to prescription meds can get pretty serious.

Jim McMahon has been a proponent of medical marijuana for quite some time. He credits marijuana for helping him kick his pain killer medication. Just yesterday he came out with this theory:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/former...ith-big-pharma/

wow, scary stuff dub