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'Letter: Trump’s military record speaks for itself'

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4170093-155/letter-trumps-military-record-speaks-for

As a retired 30-year Marine Corps reservist who made four trips to Asia as a Marine but missed combat by two weeks, I want my fellow Utah veterans to know that Donald Trump applied for and received five military draft deferments, thereby avoiding any military service.

And now he wants to be commander in chief. A basic rule of American military service is that we are not obligated to obey any illegal order, yet he has said he would issue them, such as torturing prisoners and killing the enemies' families.

His military record and knowledge stands for itself.

John Dwan Holladay

What were the deferments for?

So, you need to have served in the military to be the president?

The other stuff is just talk from a loudmouth (trump).

No. Of course not. it his deferments are interesting to look at, seeing as how he says he's healthy.

I have always said though, if you want to be bloodthirsty, at least have the credibility to think like that.

bone spurs in his foot/feet.

oh yea, i forgot that.

i did a quick search:

Trump’s draft board records show that he had another armed forces physical two years earlier, on Dec. 15, 1966. Although the ledger does not spell out the results, he was not granted a medical deferment at the time — indicating that he was found fit for duty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat...y.html#comments

it's definitely something i wish would be pressed further.

Can someone explain this deferment to me? Did Trump try to get out of serving or was he not permitted to?

Basically a medical deferment means that there's a medical condition preventing you from joining the service.

This is getting ridiculous, when in the hell did he ever say that? Can we get a legitimate link please?

Thanks. So did Trump ask for the deferment or was he rejected?

Because it's not important if he was rejected, but if he asked for one........well....that's a different story, considering all his blustery talk.

i posted from your favorite website:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/12/02/do...orists-families

and if that ain't enough, here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...bar-donald-tru/

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/0...their-families/

http://time.com/4132368/donald-trump-isis-bombing/

^^ that link, btw, has Trump literally saying to take out their families.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/15/3732671/trump-isis-kill-family-members/

http://nypost.com/2016/03/04/trump-flip-flops-on-torture-killing-terrorists-families/

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families/

we've posted this before, plenty of times.

don't play stupid.

well thats the thing.

that link i posted, he had already had a physical done that said he was fit to serve.

yet out of nowhere, he has bone spurs and had deferments?

right now something isn't adding up.

why it's a big deal to me is the constant war mongering like some blood thirsty tyrant. i have a problem with people talking tough, yet has never had any skin in the game, and doesn't plan on it.

his kids haven't served either.

***disclaimer for conservatives*** no, i am NOT saying military service is required to be president***

***disclaimer for conservatives*** no, i am NOT saying military service is required to be president***

***disclaimer for conservatives*** no, i am NOT saying military service is required to be president***

what i'm saying is for somebody who has never served, or has his kids in the military, i don't understand why he so blood thirsty when he doesn't know a thing about combat.

that's all i'm saying. cool it with the rhetoric. military is suppose to be a last option. not the first.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/30/politics/donald-trump-khizr-kahn-response/

did he really have to say that about the mom?

I don't think that a president has to have served in the military, either.

I don't want to jump the gun here and that is why I've been asking questions, but if Trump----w/all his tough talk, actually tried to get out of serving in the military............????????

Man, that would prove what a freaking phony he really is.

Again, I don't know all the facts........just sayin'

I had not heard Trump say that, thanks for the links.

I'm just wondering where the media outraged was when Obama actually went and ordered the death of a family member of a terrorist?

http://truthinmedia.com/reality-check-trump-says-kill-terrorists-families-but-obama-already-has/

They were picking themselves up after tripping over his little red line.

Exactly why I'm so proud to not have voted for Obama. Civilian killings in the Middle East have increased tons under his tenure. His foreign policy has been a breeding ground for ISIL and terrorism. He makes it easy for them to turn Muslims against the world when they can show the world bombing innocents.

That's an excellent point, fish.

Here's why it's a tad bit different, even though still wrong:

The actual targets name was ilbrahim al-banna, he was the intended target

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat...UY7L_story.html

The government didn't intentionally target the kid. They didn't even know he was there.

Still wrong, but that isn't anywhere close to intentionally targeting families bro.

I don't see what the big deal is. Dem slam trump saying he can't get along with anyone. They find out one of the world's most powerful leaders prefers him to be president and is helping out money wise and now that is bad. It doesn't matter that Hillary has been bought and pair for by every country desperately wanting to make sure the US keeps its free trade going to they can continue to destroy our jobs and take all our money while we lose out over and over again. but yeah russia is clearly the problem ....

Be careful, YTown, you are posting out of character. Someone may notice you've slipped out of the new persona.

like who?

Putin and Kim Jong Un?

yes, those are great endorsements, something we should all marvel at trump for.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/koch-donors-gather-for-weekend-retreat-in-colorado/

great, the lizard people are meeting up.

Wait, un is stumping for trump? Un is donating money to trump? I've been on vacation all week. Absolutely NO media. Didn't even read a newspaper.

But, I do know Hillary is bought and paid for. Has been since she became a public "servant". The buyers have just grown.

Makes me wonder what Soros is doing. And what so many other leaders of pro hillary countries are doing. Eh, may as well hack hillary's e-mail to find out the truth. Seems like everyone else is doing it.

Un been endorsed Trump. this was a while ago.

Yeah this has been pretty publicly broadcast. I've heard the words come out of his mouth. Maybe you should read up on your boy a little bit. It's not too late to make a sane decision, which is pretty much anything but voting for this guy.

First off, I have listened for years as the Libs cried their eyes out about the Koch Brothers this and the Koch Brothers that and how they were such an evil influence in America.

Now they say they won't support Trump and still you cry!

Second, do you think Trump saying we need to take out the ISIS families put the fear of America into their bellies?
Pumping your sons up to fight and kill the West by joining ISIS may soon cost you your lives too. Terrorizing isn't it.

Without even firing a shot, Trump has put our enemies on notice, the gloves may come off.

It is time to stop being so naive. This is war.

You think we didn't target Nazi families when we firebombed Dresden Germany to the ground?

You think we firebombed Tokyo to the ground because it was a military target?

I am far from perfect. Unfortunately, far too often, I prove that statement true.

Just so you guys know, "Un" isn't really a name to reference. His family name is "Kim" and his given name is "Jong Un." In the 10+ years I've worked for a Korean corporation, over 99% of Koreans I've encountered have a monosyllabic family name followed by a bisyllabic given name.

That's actually some good info. I didn't know that at all.

Is that typical of Asian culture? Or just specifically Koreans?

Looks like the monosyllabic family name is common in China as well. I know it is not the same for the Japanese. It is not true of Vietnamese. It is definitely not true of Thai culture. Those names are huge. The only two Cambodian people I know have single syllable last names.

It's funny, how come when Hilary lies, people come out the woodwork to point it out.

Yet trump lied about the whole debat rigging nonsense, and not a word from anybody on here?

I thought y'all was fair and balanced? Like Fox News

I almost spit my drink out reading that. lol

jc...

Trump Pushed For GOP To Change Ukraine Position, Now Claims He Didn’t


The pro-Russia change was the only party platform tweak the Trump camp cared about, sources say.
07/31/2016 04:54 pm ET

WASHINGTON ― Both Donald Trump and his campaign chairman said Sunday they had nothing to do with altering the Republican Party’s position on Ukraine ― which must have been news to GOP leaders who confirmed last week that Trump’s campaign insisted on exactly that change.

The modified party platform drops its call to provide arms to Ukraine in response to Russia’s occupation of that country’s Crimea province in 2014. It represents a victory for Russian president Vladimir Putin, who soon after annexed the region.

Two Republican National Committee officials acknowledged privately last week that Trump’s campaign pushed for the change, which was made in platform committee meetings in the days prior to the start of the Republican convention in Cleveland two weeks ago.

Nevertheless, the celebrity businessman told ABC News on Sunday that he didn’t even know about the change until afterward.

“I wasn’t involved in that. Honestly, I was not involved,” Trump said.

Meanwhile, his top aide, Paul Manafort ― who for a decade was an adviser to the Russian-backed president of Ukraine until he was removed from office in 2014 ― similarly told NBC News that the new wording was not his idea. “It absolutely did not come from the Trump campaign,” he said.

Neither the Trump campaign nor the Republican National Committee responded to requests for comment Sunday. But last week, two RNC officials praised Trump for not pushing the party’s conservative grassroots activists to alter language on gay marriage or abortion. They said that, apart from the Ukraine change, Trump’s campaign seemed generally uninterested in the platform altogether.

The platform does not bind Republican candidates who win office and is often seen by political professionals as creating unnecessary vulnerabilities for the party. Still, the RNC officials said it was unusual but not surprising that the Ukraine plank was the only thing of concern to the Trump camp, given Manafort’s business ties to the country’s former president, Victor Yanukovych.

In the ABC interview, Trump at first said that Putin would not invade Ukraine: “He’s not going into Ukraine, OK? Just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.”

But after “This Week” host George Stephanopoulos pointed out that Putin already had done so, Trump blamed President Barack Obama for it ― but went on to suggest that he might recognize Russia’s claim to the region. “I’m going to take a look at it. But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also,” he said.

Trump and his campaign have come under increasing criticism over his statements supporting and praising Putin, particularly after the recent theft and public release of thousands of Democratic National Committee emails. Obama said last week that Russia appeared to be behind the hack, while Trump called on Russia and others to hack into Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s emails. He later said he was being sarcastic.

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Trump Says Putin Is Not Going Into Ukraine


July 31, 2016 by Dan Spencer

During an interview with George Stephanopolous broadcast on today's edition of ABC's "This Week," Donald Trump said that Putin is not going into Ukraine. Asked whether the softening of the plank in the GOP platform on Ukraine -- the removal of the language calling for the provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves, was a good idea, Trump said Putin wouldn't go into Ukraine:

TRUMP: Well, look, you know, I have my own ideas. He's not going into Ukraine, OK?

Just so you understand. He's not going to go into Ukraine, all right?

You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.
Thinking he had a Trump gotcha moment Stephanopolous pounced asking, "Well, he's already there, isn't he?" Trump replied "sort of" and moved pointed out that whole part of the world -- the Baltic, Ukraine and Crimea, is a mess thanks to Obama:

TRUMP: OK, well, he's there in a certain way, but I'm not there yet. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama, with all the strength that you're talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this, in the meantime, he's going where -- he takes -- takes Crimea, he's sort of -- I mean...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you said you might recognize that.

TRUMP: I'm going to take a look at it. But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also.

Now, that was under -- just so you understand, that was done under Obama's administration. And as far as the Ukraine is concerned, it's a mess. And that's under the Obama's administration, with his strong ties to NATO.

So with all of these strong ties to NATO, Ukraine is a mess. Crimea has been taken. Don't blame Donald Trump for that.

Trump went on to say that under President Trump we will have a better relationship with Russia and that is a good thing. This was all took place during a portion of the interview which concerned Trump's relationship with Russia and Putin and NATO. You can read the entire interview here.

This shows once again that Trump is not steeped in foreign policy. Saying Putin is sort of in Ukraine is splitting some not so fine hairs. Putin's Russia invaded and annexed Crimea which is still internationally recognized as part of Ukraine. And there is a great deal of evidence that Russian forces are fighting in Eastern Ukraine.

Maybe this is why Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and released embarrassing emails causing problems for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign. Perhaps Putin believes he can have an easier time trying to restore the Evil Empire with a president Trump.

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